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Stop 'time permitting' service now!
by Daniel Karrenberg 18 Oct '95

18 Oct '95

Dear Contributors and Local-IRs, Since there have been no objections at all, time-permtting service has been abandoned as of this week. The RIPE NCC will from now on provide registration services only to established local registries in good standing. This has been announced at the RIPE meeting last week. Individuals requesting address space will be referred to their service provider and/or the list of local registries. Service providers requesting address space will be informed about how they can establish a local IR and/or be referred to their upstream providers. We will notify all those who have time-permitting requests pending. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Regards Daniel Karrenberg RIPE NCC Manager

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Local IR mtg, draft minutes
by mnorris＠dalkey.hea.ie 17 Oct '95

17 Oct '95

Please see the following draft minutes of the meeting last Wednesday. Anne Lord mailed them to me on Friday, just after the end of RIPE 22 - is this a record? Whatever, well done and many thanks, Anne. I'd be glad to hear comments, corrections etc. Cheers. Mike Norris Local IR Working Group Minutes - RIPE 22 Wednesday 11th October, 1995 At this working group meeting there were 43 attenders. 1. Preliminaries Anne Lord (auto) volunteered to take the minutes. The agenda was agreed as previously drafted to the working group mailing list. No additions to the agenda were made. 2. RIPE 21 As the draft minutes of the working group meeting from RIPE 21 had been circulated and no objections were raised, they were formally approved. 3. Reports from Registries 3.1 European Regional Registry (NCC) Staff Developments: Since the last RIPE meeting, the RIPE NCC has appointed three new junior hostmasters: - Nick Reid (full time) from UK - Hatice Kuey (full time) from Turkey - Els Willems (part time) from The Netherlands Additionally a further two more part-time junior hostmasters will start on 16th October: - John Crane from UK - Soodabey Eshkey from Iran. It is estimated that by the end of the year with these additional resources that local IR's will no longer experience hostmaster delays. Request Tracking System: This is currently being implemented at the RIPE NCC. The tracking system has been described in RIPE document ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-183.txt. All new requests are issued a ticket number, which should be used in future related correspondence. Absolutely crucial to any dealings with the RIPE NCC hostmasters is your registry ID. The RIPE NCC now deals with around 300 local IR's, an increase of around 60 since the last RIPE meeting. 3.2 Last Resort Registries There are currently around 30 Last Resort Registries. In the context of previous discussions around Provider Independant and Provider Allocated address space (ripe-127) it has been agreed that Last Resort Registries should be phased out. At the NCC contributors meeting it was decided that the last resort IR's should be charged like any other registry. This has had the desired impact of accelerating the number of Last Resort IR's wanting to close. Billing for 1996 will be issued in November. A question was raised as to how many last resort registries expect to continue operation after November and the answer was that out of the 7 present, only 1 expected to continue. A question was also raised regarding what to do with the remaining address space held by the last resort registry if they wished to close. The answer was to contact <hostmaster(a)ripe.net> to discuss the procedures. There was another question, regarding what to do with large companies who are requesting PI address space. They can contact the RIPE NCC to discuss becoming an enterprise registry. They can also receive PI address space but this will carry with it no guarantees of routability in the Global Internet. Local IR's can hold PI address space, but this will be allocated by the RIPE NCC probably from the remaining 192.x.x.x address space. 3.3 Other Registries There were no reports from other registries. 3.4 Global Coordination There has been minimal progress on rfc1466++ due to lack of time from all parties involved. The revision of ripe-104++ had been dependent on this rfc being updated. It was proposed to finish updating ripe-104++ irrespective of the development of the rfc as the RIPE document is urgently required as a guideline document for the many new IR's coming on board. There were no objections to this proposal. Action: Mike Norris and RIPE NCC To find volunteers from the Local IR working group to continue working on the revision of ripe-104++ without waiting for the publication of rfc1466++. 4. RIPE NCC Services 4.1 Charging model for 1996. At the RIPE NCC contributors committee meeting in September a charging scheme for 1996 was agreed (This scheme was circulated in the minutes of that meeting). The billing scheme is described at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ /new-registry/billing-96.txt. Bills will be issued in November, unless you contact <billing(a)ripe.net> to say that you would like to be billed in January 1996. So far, there have been no cancellations for RIPE NCC services from any registries. It was also decided that the "time-permitting" service would be discontinued from 16th October. The RIPE NCC hostmaster service is offered to contributing registries only. 4.2 Billing procedures In summary, there are 4 categories and each registry decides which category they would like to be in. The category information per registry is public information but the RIPE NCC commented that in the future they may be more active in suggesting, movement between categories to established local IR's. 4.3 Charging by local IR's There was an outstanding action on Mike Norris to prepare a paper on charging by local IRs. He would complete this asap. 4.4 Tracking and ticketing system (ripe-183) Already discussed above. 4.5 Training There have been 4 courses held. There are approximately 15 attenders per course, and this is the maximum number of attenders sought per course. There are two further courses planned for November, one in the UK and one in Norway. The dates are not yet fixed but there will be an announcement to the local IR mailing list. Note should be made that the training courses are only open to local contributing local IR's. If any local IR is interested to host a course, then the RIPE NCC would be happy to deliver a course in your country. Please contact <training(a)ripe.net> to dicuss the details further. The slides from the training courses in Amsterdam and Munich are available in the RIPE document store in ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/local-ir/training/* 5. Address Assignment 5.1 Procedures (ripe-104) As discussed above the need for ripe-104++ documentation is now so great that it was suggested to form a group of volunteers from the local IR working group to actually progress this document asap. Ideally, this document should be ready before the next RIPE meeting in January. It was suggested to have the volunteers to come to the RIPE NCC for a day to meet to progress this work. The RIPE NCC offered to pay for travel and subsistence for those interested. 5.2 PI vs PA address space (ripe-127 upcoming rfc) Ripe-127 is on track to become an rfc. Daniel Karrenberg was informed by the rfc editor that the publication of this document is on track. It was generally recommended to include in documentation to your customers a clarification over the PI and PA recommendations in ripe-127. 5.3 Reverse domains The procedure for delegating revers domains has now been automated. Requests can be sent to <auto-inaddr(a)ripe.net>. David Kessens gave a short presentation of this. In summary: use 'inetnum' object with one nameserver per 'rev-svr' attribute or for block (/16) delegations, with one nameserver per 'nserver' attribute Using the wrong attributes in the objects will not break the auto-delegation procedure. The software for this tool is available in ftp://ftp.ripe.net/tools/ inaddrtool-950815.tar.gz. Note that the RIPE NCC only makes delegations for 194.x.x.x. and 193.x.x.x blocks of address space. There was a question regarding delegations for > er than /24 prefixes. This is possible and there is a description of how to do this in the document store in: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/internet-drafts/draft-degroot-classless-inaddr-00.txt. 5.4 Status and use of rfc1597 The revision to rfc1597 is currently being discussed within the IETF CIDR-D working group. The revision will be reissued as a BCP - "Best Current Practices" rfc series. It was again recommended to point not only large organisations with firewalls at this document, but also VSE 's < 50 hosts not wanting to connect to the internet. It is hoped that this document will be out by the December IETF. The actual content of rfc1597 will be changed considerably. It is noted that the address space reserved and used for private address space still stand. 6. Tools There were no other reported tools other than that circulated previously by Nigel Titley. The tool checks the status of the registrations in the RIPE database against another file in which records of registrations are held. The source code is available from : ftp://ftp.bt.net/networking/tools/tree/tree-2.1.1.tar.Z 7. Input from other working groups 7.1 Database There was a request for clarification of the difference between the <auto-assign(a)ripe.net> mail address and the <auto-dbm(a)ripe.net>. It was noted that the <auto-assign> address contained some additional sanity checking for new objects, so that existing objects could not be clobbered. Further discussion over this was deferred to the database working group. Additionally, there was a question over whether route objects, with no matching inetnum objects should be allowed or checked for. It was deferred to the database working group for potential discussion. 7.2 EOF The EOF working group highlighted a need for a survey of domain procedures amongst different top level domains. This topic was taken up in the DNS working group. 8. AOB There were no items discussed. The chair thanked the audience for their input.

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Alert: Mannesmann / Hartmann & Braun AG
by RIPE NCC Hostmaster 16 Oct '95

16 Oct '95

If any registry is currently handling requests from: descr: Mannesmann group, Germany descr: Netzbetrieb, Ratingen country: DE admin-c: Alois Fiedler tech-c: Stefan Paetzold tech-c: Thomas Wolf Or: descr: Hartmann & Braun AG descr: Frankfurt am Main country: DE admin-c: Peter Radig tech-c: Peter Radig Please get in touch with the RIPE NCC Kind regards, Geert Jan de Groot RIPE NCC staff

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RIPE22: terminal room
by RIPE NCC Staff 06 Oct '95

06 Oct '95

Terminal-room facilities during the RIPE-meeting. ------------------------------------------------- Time allowing, we will provide a terminal room during the RIPE meeting. There will be a number of ASCII terminals connected to a terminal-server (hef-ts1.nikhef.nl or hef-ts2.nikhef.nl), which will allow for telnet access. We will also provide ethernet tap points for laptop computers, using 10baseT ethernet. Unfortunately, Apple localtalk access cannot be provided, sorry. If 10base2, AUI or 110V is required, please send mail to <ncc(a)ripe.net> b e f o r e thuesday. If time allows, I will try to bring up an experimental DHCP server. In any case, a limited number of static IP addresses will be available & can be applied for at the registration desk. People that need to have access lists changed should allow access from 192.16.199.0/24 and 192.16.192.0/24. Printer access will be provided via an uuencoded-file-via-mail gateway. Hope this helps, Geert Jan

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RIPE22: Agenda
by RIPE NCC Staff 05 Oct '95

05 Oct '95

Dear RIPE meeting participants, Below you will find the schedule for working groups meetings and the agenda for the plenary session. As always, they are proposals: please let us know of any changes and/or additions you might want to propose, at <ncc(a)ripe.net>. -------------------------------------- 22nd RIPE Meeting Preliminary Schedule for Working Groups Meetings Start: October 11, 09:00 End: October 12, 12:30 -------------------------------------- 11 Oct +------------+ 09:00 +------------+ 12 Oct | EOF (1) | | Routing | +------------+ 10:30 +------------+ break break +------------+ 11:00 +------------+------------+ | EOF (2) | | Database |Connectivity| +------------+ 12:30 +------------+------------+ lunch lunch +------------+------------+ 14:00 | MBONE | IPv6 | ...plenary session... +------------+------------+ 15:30 break +------------+------------+ 16:00 | LOCAL IR | DNS | +------------+------------+ 18:00 -------------------------------------- 22nd RIPE Meeting Preliminary Agenda for Plenary session Start: October 12, 14:00 End: October 13, 15:30 -------------------------------------- o Opening and Welcome o Adoption of the Agenda o Minutes 21st RIPE Meeting o Actions 21st RIPE Meeting o RIPE NCC Report o RIPE NCC Financial Report o Dante Services o Internet Exchanges: - Roma - Moscow o IETF Report o Working Groups Reports o Dates of next Meetings o A.O.B. o Closing

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Local IR WG, draft agenda
by mnorris＠dalkey.hea.ie 05 Oct '95

05 Oct '95

Please see the following draft agenda for the meeting of the Local IR WG meeting at RIPE 22. Comments and ideas are very welcome. Cheers. Mike Norris RIPE 22 - 11-13 October 1995 Local IR Working Group D R A F T A G E N D A 1. Preliminaries - (auto)select a minute-taker - agree agenda, times 2. RIPE 21 - minutes - actions outstanding 3. Reports from Registries - European regional registry (NCC) - last resort registries (if any) - other registries, significant events - global coordination 4. RIPE NCC Services - charging model 1996 - billing procedures - charging by local IRs - tracking and ticketing system (ripe-183) - training 5. Address Assignment - procedures (ripe-104) - PI vs PA address space (ripe-127, upcoming RFC) - reverse domains, new delegation procedures - status and use of RFC 1597 6. Tools - address allocation by Nigel Titley (ftp://ftp.bt.net/networking/tools/tree/tree-2.1.1.tar.Z) - others 7. Input from other Working Groups - Database - Routing - other 8. AOB

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reminder: RIPE22 announcement
by RIPE NCC Staff 04 Oct '95

04 Oct '95

Dear RIPE interested people and local registry contacts, Here goes the reminder of the RIPE meeting that will be held next week, Wed 11 Oct - Fri 13 Oct. If you are interested, you are still welcome to join. The agenda is not known yet, but the global structure of the meeting will be as the previous ones: Working group meetings at Wednesday afternoon/Thursday morning and a plenary on Thursday afternoon/Friday morning. Also, the fact that we have heard nothing from our beloved EOF chairperson is a strong indication that there will be an EOF meeting Wednesday at 09:00 :-) Any other information on the RIPE meeting can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/Next-meeting. IF it is not there, then <ncc(a)ripe.net> will be glad to help you out. We hope to see you in Amsterdam. Roderik Muit RIPE NCC ----- R I P E meeting announcement ============================ (This announcement can also be viewed using "finger meeting(a)ncc.ripe.net") This is to announce that the 22nd RIPE meeting will take place: Dates: 11th October, 1995 begin: 14:00* 12th October, 1995 13th October, 1995 end: 16:00* * these times may change. Also, it is likely that there will be an EOF meeting at 11th October, 09:00. Venue: CWI Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands Host: NIKHEF Registration: Please use the registration form (which will follow in a separate mail) to give notice of your coming as soon as possible. General Information: -------------------- Currency: 1 UK pound = Hfl 2.5 1 ECU = Hfl 2.1 1 US$ = Hfl 1.6 Appended to this announcement: ------------------------------ <> directions to the meeting place Documents to follow (separate mail messages): --------------------------------------------- <> details of hotels in Amsterdam close to meeting venue <> registration form for attendance at the meeting ================================================================== CWI - The RIPE meeting venue: How do I get there? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To ease any possible confusion, two postscript maps can be found in the RIPE document store. One shows the bus and tram stops around the meeting site and the other is a more general map of the area. Both maps are available by ftp: ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/area-map.ps ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/area-map.ps.Z ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/local-transport-map.ps ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/local-transport-map.ps.Z *PLEASE NOTE: The number 69 and 169 now end at Amstel station rather than Muiderpoort station. The number 15 now connects the Amstel station with Muiderpoort station. a) Recommended public transport route from Amsterdam Schipol airport: <> Take the train from the airport railway station to the Central Railway station (Amsterdam CS). Then from Amsterdam Central Station : <> Take tram number 9 till the stop at the intersection of Middenweg and Kruislaan (15 min ride). The stop is just before the intersection. <> Walk down the Kruislaan in the direction of the railway bridge. Cross under the bridge and continue. Take the 2nd entrance left and follow the signs to the meeting (15 min walk all together). Instead of walking down Kruislaan you can take the shuttlebus for 2 stops. Turn into Kruislaan and the bustop is a little way down on the right hand side of the road. or from Central Station you can: <> Take bus 22 in the direction 'Indische Buurt' to the stop at the 'Muiderpoort Station' and take shuttlebus 66 which stops outside CWI. b) Alternatively from Amsterdam Schipol: <> Take the train from the airport railway station to the RAI station in Amsterdam. (These are the 'stop trains' to Lelystad, Utrecht or Amersfoort.) NOTE: Amsterdam Central Station (CS) is on another line. Then from the RAI station: <> From the RAI station take the city bus number 69 or CN bus number 169 in the direction `Amstel Station'. From the Amstel Railway Station <> From the Amstel station take the city bus number 15 the direction `Muiderpoort Station' to the stop on the corner of Kruislaan and Linnaeusparkweg (15 min ride, ask the driver where to get off) or proceed to 'Muiderpoort Station' and take shuttlebus 66. You can also take the shuttlebus 66 from the Kruislaan and Linnaeusparkweg intersection as described above. d) Taxi from the airport <> Takes 15 mins and will cost approximately Hfl. 60.00 e) Connections away <> Tram 6, 10 to Leidseplein (now with conductor on tram) Tram 9, 14 to Rembrandtplein and Dam Square (9 goes to Central Station) ==================================================================== Public Transport - how much does it cost and where can I get tickets? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tickets of 15 strips (`Strippenkaart' costing Hfl. 10.75) can be bought in Post Offices, railway stations and cigarette shops. Tickets of 2 and 3 strips can be bought on the bus or the tram but they are much more expensive. You have to validate the ticket yourself in the metro stations and in the trams (except on lines 4, 6, 7, 10, 12 and 13). In the buses the driver will validate the ticket. Amsterdam is divided into zones: the old city is in zone `Centrum' whereas CWI is in zone `Oost'. You need to count how many zones you will be travelling through (from the centre - CWI is 2 zones) and count up that number of strips on your ticket + 1 extra. So in the above example you will need to stamp the 3rd strip. In case of overflow you stamp the last strip of the first ticket and start counting the remaining strips on the next ticket. Confused? Ask any member of the local organizing committee. Warning: BEWARE of pickpockets in crowded places. --------------------------

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Access needed in several West-Europeans
by Alain Golan 02 Oct '95

02 Oct '95

Our customer asked for our help, to setup Internet access to his offices in Europe. The access needed is Frame-Relay CIR=0 or in other words, the cheapest permanent connection solution. (Semi-permanent (ISDN) migth be considered). Locations: (When they are two cities, we need both of them) Countries: France,Netherland,Austria,Spain,Germany,Switzerland,Italy The cities are detailed below. Please send precise quotes, to: meirm(a)NetVision.net.il Please include evaluated cost of other services needed for this connection, I.E. the leased-lines/Frame-relay monthly rates etc... Please quote in ECU or $US. Thanks. \Alain. France: Paris-Rungis Marseille Netherland: Schidam Austria: Vienna Spain: Madrid Germany: Frankfurt Koeln Switzerland: Zurich Italy: Milano Genoa Regards, Alain . Alain Golan-Goldberg _#####_ Network Manager (__O-O__) NetVision - Commercial Israeli Internet Provider ( ) PSInet - elroNet Associates ( ) ------------------------------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo--- USENET, InterCALL (PPP/SLIP), Mail Forward, InterDIRECT Local Internet Registry E-mail: alain(a)NetVision.net.il Personal address info(a)NetVision.net.il for information. support(a)NetVision.net.il for technical support. www: http://www.NetVision.net.il/ Phone: +972-4-550330 Fax: +972-4-550345 This message was sent by Chameleon. (probably)

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RIPE22: Announcement dinner & registration form
by RIPE NCC Staff 29 Sep '95

29 Sep '95

* * ANNOUNCEMENT * * ANNOUNCEMENT * * ANNOUNCEMENT * * ANNOUNCEMENT * * 22th RIPE Meeting Dinner Thursday, October 12th, 1995 Amsterdam Venue: Puri Mas Lange Leidsedwarsstraat 37-41 (1st floor) Amsterdam Time: 19:30 Last date for reservations: Friday 6th October 1995 The RIPE Evening Dinner will be held in 'Puri Mas'. The restaurant serves Indonesian food and is located in the center of Amsterdam close to the 'Leidseplein'. If you want to attend this dinner, please would you complete the form below and we will make the reservation for you. Please note that it will NOT be possible to attend the dinner without first making a reservation. It is best to make your reservation as early as possible since the restaurant has a limited number of places If you would like to bring a guest with you, they are very welcome, but please complete a separate form for them. See you at the dinner, David Kessens RIPE NCC PS. Forms can be obtained from : ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/Next-Meeting/dinner.announce OR by using : finger dinner(a)ncc.ripe.net OR by using the form provided at the end of this mail. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The menu for the dinner is as follows: -**- Aperitif Drink -**- Krupuk Soto Ayam (chicken-curry soup) -**- Indonesian ricetable: Sate Ayam (2 Brochettes grilled chicken) Daging Rendang (Spiced stewed beef (very spicy)) Gulai Kambing (Lamb in Gulai sauce) Kari Ayam (Chicken in curry sauce) Telore Bumbu Bali (Egg in a spiced Balinese sauce) Gado Gado (Various kinds of vegetables with a peanut sauce) Sambel Goreng Kentang (Small fried marinated potatoes) Sambel Goreng Boncis (Haricots in a spiced sauce) Sayur Harian (Vegetable of the day) Acar Kuning (Fresh mixed salad) Serundeng (Fried coconutpowder) Nasi Putih (White rice) Nasi Goreng (Fried rice) -**- Fresh tropical fruits with mango ice-cream -**- Coffee/Tea -**- *Cost of the dinner will be DFL 65,- *Please note that the price of the dinner includes 4 drinks/person. Please reply to <dinner(a)ripe.net> if you would like to have a place reserved for you at the dinner. Unfortunately you will not be able to attend without prior registration, so please let us know asap. - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - -- - - - - - - -- - - - - - -- 22th RIPE Meeting, Amsterdam Evening Dinner 12th October, 1995 For reservations please fill in the following form. Don't delete the special keywords starting with % sign and type your answers between the square brackets. Multiple lines are allowed. %START 1) Your name %NAME [ ] 2) Your e-mail address %EMAIL [ ] 3) Please indicate if you are a vegetarian or have special dietary needs. You can use more lines as long as the description starts and ends with a bracket. (I am a vegetarian so don't worry you lonely vegetarians out there ;-)) %SPECIAL_DIET_DESCRIPTION [ ] %END

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Re: Payment for ru.glasnet overdue 46 days!
by Alexander Zaytsev 26 Sep '95

26 Sep '95

hello Roderick, well, though, the address is correct we got no bills from TERENA. would you please tell me bank account number and the sum preferrably in USD we should pay at? thank you, alexz glasnet technical admin ps: it would be a real bad event if you cut down the service with us :-( On Mon, 25 Sep 1995, RIPE NCC Billing Department wrote: > > Alexander Zaytsev <alexz(a)glas.apc.org> writes: > * Dear Roderik, > * > * i'm very sorry for the delay though i ain;t even sure if we got any bill > * from you :-(. did you fax it or send over a regular (snail) mail? in > * the latter case it may take *monthes* to get delivered. yes, post > * services in the country work very slow. > * > * anyway, i'll ask our bookkeepers and billing group if they received any > * letters from you. > * > * please, gime a couple of days to figure out where the problem might be. > > There's not problem in taking a few days. I think TERENA sent it by > mail, as we have in our registry data: > > bill-addr: APKS GLASNET > bill-addr: Sadovaya-Chernogryazskaya ul. 4-16a > bill-addr: 107078 Moscow > bill-addr: Russia > bill-mail: billing(a)glas.apc.org > bill-proto: SNAIL-MAIL > > I'll wait until we hear from you. > > Kind regards, > > Roderik Muit > RIPE NCC > regards, alexz glasnet technical admin

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