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Re: Address space for individuals
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 20 May '94

20 May '94

Hank, >pay it. But when I recently posted in regards to our plans to charge >customers for IP address registration I got all sorts of flames. When while I don't want to join in flaming, I see some good reasons for people running a registry *now* for frowning at the financial procedures proposed or even applied unilaterally be some (only a very few?) Last Resort Registries. I'm definitely feeling worried when a Last-Resort-Registry, run by a Service Provider *upon it's own voluntary decision* starts charging for allocating addresses. I wonder whether there isn't some incentive (at least conceavably :-) to be quite generous... At the same time, running a Service-Provider Registry for an academic community, we are not able to suggest to our clientele that we are providing them withg a service that has a financial value after all... So, I'd really like to see this sorted out soon! And anything that is agreed on should equally fit the commercial ISP registries as well as the "not for profit" ones. Wilfried. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Wilfried.Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at Computer Center - ACOnet : Vienna University : Tel: +43 1 4065822 355 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4065822 170 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : NIC: WW144 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Address space for individuals
by Bjorn Eriksen 20 May '94

20 May '94

>My proposal would read like: >.... >Is this acceptable to all? yes, and publish. --Bjorn

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Re: Address space for individuals
by Dave Morton 20 May '94

20 May '94

> > Erik-Jan Bos <erik-jan.bos(a)SURFnet.nl> writes: > > > This sums up my personal opinion. > > > > Great, quite along my personal opinion, but we need a consistent > > approach among all Local IRs. > >We will write something up next week. If someone else does before >us we can use that! > >My proposal would read like: > > - very small enterprises (VSEs) are those <32 hosts now > > - last resort registries will not assign address space to VSEs > > - VSEs can use private address space (RFC1697) > - VSEs are easy to renumber once they connect > - VSEs are likely to connect with one host only > > - service provider registries will assign VSEs smaller amounts > of address space than 8 bits where possible > > - service provider registries will register these smaller amounts > in the RIPE database when possible > >Rationale: > > Very many VSEs with 8 bits of address space each will use up > too much address space. > > > >Is this acceptable to all? YEP. > >Implementation: If this was accepted the NCC could accept classles >inetnums very soon even before the indexing is fully classless. > >Question: Should we publish such things as RIPE documents or just >circulate them among registries as "current practise recommendations". >I personally think we should publish them, but have heared reservations. Publish. >Daniel Dave

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Re: Address space for individuals
by Dave Morton 20 May '94

20 May '94

Fully agree with Hank here - we are seeing the same problems in Germany as someone somewhere has to finance all this. Either the service providers do one stop shopping at the local IR and/or TLD-NIC and/or we charge or rent ip numbers and domain name space etc. to induviduals. No other way to go in the long term. Same applies to RIPE but me and Daniel have had our arguments about this in the past offline. Thats another story. Dave

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Draft minute of mtg yesterday
by mnorris＠dalkey.hea.ie 19 May '94

19 May '94

D R A F T D R A F T D R A F T D R A F T D R A F T Minute of Local IR WG Meeting at RIPE-18, May 1994 X.Y Local IR Working Group (D Karrenberg) Chair: D Karrenberg Scribe: M Norris X.Y.1 Opening An agenda circulated beforehand was agreed. The minutes of the meeting held during RIPE-17 in January 1994 were agreed. X.Y.2 Election of New Chairman D Karrenberg explained why he had announced his resignation as chairman. The efficacy of the WG might be questioned given that the Director of the NCC presided over a group drawn from the membership of RIPE, which set the agenda of the NCC. In addition, the workload of the NCC was now so onerous that all other activities had to be reviewed. Following discussion, the meeting unanimously expressed its complete satisfaction in the chairmanship by D Karrenberg of the Local IR Working Group. The Group had found the close linkage with the NCC to be of great benefit, and that this had never impeded its work nor imposed any limitations on its freedom of action. The meeting reluctantly accepted the resignation of the chairman. M Norris agreed to act as chairman, with effect from the end of the meeting. X.Y.3 European Registry Report by the NCC D Karrenberg reported that, from experience, it may be that enterprise networks, such as those belonging to large multi- or trans-national organisations, needed their own IP registries. As a rule, such organisations did not get delegated address space. However, coordination between local and regional registries was important. X.Y.4 Reports of Significant Events at Local Registries Question: In light of renumbering caused by CIDR, what should be done with returned addresses? It was agreed that such addresses could be returned, and welcome, to any European IR. Such IRs would return addresses to the NCC. If the addresses could be aggregated, they would be re-used, otherwise they would be returned to IANA. Question: Will someone write a paper on why it is a good idea to return unused addresses? Some discussion, but no takers. It was agreed that incidents of note should be reported to the list and to the NCC, and not reported only at WG meetings. Incidents were reported of applications being rejected in Europe but accepted on re-application to other regional registries. The group expressed concern at the disparity in the criteria applied by RIPE and InterNIC registries. Action 18.1 D Karrenberg Convey RIPE's concern at this disparity to the InterNIC. X.Y.5 Standard IP Application Form There was a discussion of multiple applications to different registries by the same organisation, or by different components of the same organisation. It was agreed that the standard form should be revised to guard against such abuses. The following changes should be made: * Indicate that any statements made in the form could be used in consideration of future applications * Applicants should indicate their parent organisation and its assigned address space, if any * Applicants to state whether they had made any applications for IP addresses in Europe or elsewhere Action 18.2 NCC Draft new standard form in light of above recommendations for discussion on the list. X.Y.6 Default Range of AS Numbers D Karrenberg had asked IANA for a default range of AS numbers, but this had been refused. [ Yves, can you please fill in the text of the point you made here? ] [ I apologise for not minuting it properly. ] X.Y.7 Report from Local IR Workshop The workshop held before the start of RIPE-18 had been well attended, numbers exceeding those who had booked and the number of lunch equivalents. RFC1597, concerning the allocation of private IP addresses, was noted. Common errors with the administration of reverse DNS zones had been summarised. Action 18.3 NCC Investigate monthly publication of error files on reverse zone files, a la host count. X.Y.8 Funding of and Charging for Local Registry Service The meeting agreed that these were important issues and that the group should make recommendations as soon as possible. Action 18.4 M Norris Initiate discussion on the list and aim to summarise by way of a draft recommendation. X.Y.9 Assignment Statistics W Woeber and W Huber had suggested means of representing address space assignment status. This would be discussed on the list.

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Re: Address space for individuals
by Hank Nussbacher 19 May '94

19 May '94

On Thu, 19 May 1994 13:13:49 +0200 you said: > >> the number of requests will start approaching a thousand a month and the >> government in your country is not willing to fund the operation of an >> Internic out of the generosity of their heart, and the computing center >> where you work cannot any longer dedicate you to a fulltime registar position >> then something has to give. >... >> I foresee the only logical solution will be to simply charge users >> a small registration fee. > >I foresee by that time the government will not have to do >anything with the IP number registration. Network providers will >be commercial and fighting for each potential customer. Cheap >or even free numbers are one way to attract customers, and a very >effective one at that. > > >Martijn. Yes for those customers that want to be connected *now*, yes the service provider will provide free of charge the IP number (or at least should). But just look at Internic and how many of the assigned IP nets are actually connected. Many companies either have closed nets, or want IP addresses for the networks they are building today that at some point in the distant future they might want to connect to the global Internet. So what happens when the 16 year kid calls up SuperInternetService Inc and says I want an IP address? Or the telecom manager of Netwidget Inc wants 35 class C nets for his multinational closed IP network? At some point SuperInternetService Inc which runs on a profit basis and does nothing for free will do the calculation of whether it is worth his while to deal with all these "future potential" customers. The customer when he is ready to connect will evaluate who has a cheaper rate and a better support staff and not who gave them a free IP network 2 years ago. Hank

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Address space for individuals
by Erik-Jan Bos 19 May '94

19 May '94

Local IRs, I planned to attend the Local IR WG meeting at RIPE last Tuesday, but the meeting was moved to yesterday, the same time as the Mbone WG meeting (where I had to be for "chairing reasons"). And I forgot all about it... As Last Resort IR for The Netherlands I received a request for address space (one C network) from an individual. The person requesting address space tells me he has several machines at home able to talk IP and he wants to interconnect them. Since he has plans to connect his LAN at home to the Internet some day in the future he asks for an official IP network number (which means RFC1597 is of no help in this case). IMHO, this is a question which we will see in an increasingly frequency in the near future. Think of what happens if IP functionality is built in to Microsoft software... I'd like to know whether you have received requests like this before, and how you aproached this issue, since I think "we all" should have a common attitude in Europe (better: world-wide) on this. Thanks for your concern. __ Erik-Jan.

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Re: Address space for individuals
by Hank Nussbacher 19 May '94

19 May '94

I am very curious to see the minutes of the local-ir meeting since I was not able to attend. When handing out IP addresses was a few a week we all handled it on a volunteer basis and everyone was happy. Then we formed a RIPE and everyone was asked to "fund" the registration process of IP addresses, domain names, individual names, etc. And we all gladly pay it. But when I recently posted in regards to our plans to charge customers for IP address registration I got all sorts of flames. When the number of requests will start approaching a thousand a month and the government in your country is not willing to fund the operation of an Internic out of the generosity of their heart, and the computing center where you work cannot any longer dedicate you to a fulltime registar position then something has to give. As Eric-Jan has brought up, people will soon want home IP numbers and I foresee the only logical solution will be to simply charge users a small registration fee. Those that are serious about connecting up will gladly pay $30-$50 for a class C net. Those that just want to call up and bother you since it is a currently a free non-discriminating service will think twice if they have to dig into their 16 year old wallet and shell out $50. I would like to see a European/RIPE "recommendation" for costs for: a) IP address registration b) domain name registration c) routing update Hank

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Action 17.3,4: Proposal - Report format for address assignment ...\
by Willi Huber 13 May '94

13 May '94

Wilfried Woeber wrote: > Dear all, > > this is the first proposal - for discussion - of a possible report > format for the local registries. While I did not yet have a good idea > for a simple "graphical" format, this is a format that could be used > both internally for keeping track of allocations and could be easy to > compare. Here is another approach. While Wilfrieds proposal gives a lot of details about the assigned networks, I was trying to show an overview on the status of the assignments. The following table gives an overview of the whole address space 193.0.0.0 - 194.255.255.0. The table shows the current contents of the RIPE database, where . stands for an unassigned network # * stand for assigned networks A sequence of #### or **** is used for network ranges described with one network entry in the RIPE database. The characters # and * are alternated for each network entry, so that one can see the size of the ranges. 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Action 17.3,4: Proposal - Report format for address assignments
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 11 May '94

11 May '94

Dear all, this is the first proposal - for discussion - of a possible report format for the local registries. While I did not yet have a good idea for a simple "graphical" format, this is a format that could be used both internally for keeping track of allocations and could be easy to compare. To have a sort of "live" example, I converted my local file into the proposed format. Any input welcome! Wilfried. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # ACTIVE$DKA300:[WILFRIED.LOCAL_IR]193_170_X_0.LIST history kept by CMS # 193.170.1.0 193.170.254.0 ACONET initially managed by NCC, now by UniVie Legend: Block: CIDR block F/A(+R): F=free, A=assigned + optional reservation Start: first address in block End: last address in block Netname: name of network(s) used in the RIPE-DB to whom: local assignement information (optional) Block F/A(+R) Start End Netname(s) to whom... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 01 F.01.-- 193.170.0.0 - not to be assigned! 01 F.01.-- 193.170.1.0 - FREE (revoked ass. for Vienna EB 01 A.01.-- 193.170.2.0 TVLBG Technikum Vorarlberg 01 A.01.-- 193.170.3.0 ATINET Atominst. der Oest. Univ. 01 A.01.-- 193.170.4.0 ELAKVIE HS f. Musik u. darst. Kunst, I.f 01 A.01.-- 193.170.5.0 WAZ Wiener Akad. f. Zukunftsfragen b 02 A.01.01 193.170.6.0 193.170.7.0 VA-EDV HBLVA Spengergasse 04 A.02.02 193.170.8.0 193.170.11.0 TGM TGM Wien-XX 02 A.01.01 193.170.12.0 193.170.13.0 OINET Oekologie Institut 02 A.01.01 193.170.14.0 193.170.15.0 XBIT HTBL Klagenfurt 16 A.16.-- 193.170.16.0 193.170.31.0 UNILEO-C1,2,... Uni Leoben 16 A.08.08 193.170.32.0 193.170.47.0 KGI-LAN Uni-Linz 16 A.16.-- 193.170.48.0 193.170.63.0 UNIVIE11,12,... UniVie scattered nets 02 A.01.01 193.170.64.0 193.170.65.0 ARCS1 Seibersdorf 01 A.01.-- 193.170.66.0 CEDAR CEDAR C.E.Data Request Fac. 01 F.01.-- 193.170.67.0 - FREE 02 A.01.01 193.170.68.0 193.170.69.0 INTIBNET UNIDO/IPCT/TDP/INF 02 A.01.01 193.170.70.0 193.170.71.0 HTL-RANKWEIL HTL Rankweil 08 A.05.03 193.170.72.0 193.170.79.0 TUNET-S6,7,... TU-Wien 16 A.16.-- 193.170.80.0 193.170.95.0 OEAW-C-NETS OeAW, Inst. Netzwerke 08 A.04.04 193.170.96.0 193.170.103.0 KHS-LINZ-NETS Univ. of Arts and Ind. Design 08 A.04.04 193.170.104.0 193.170.111.0 ARSENAL BVFA Arsenal by. A.Deutsch 04 A.02.02 193.170.112.0 193.170.115.0 ONB Oest.Nat.Bibliothek, Pl.Stelle 02 A.01.01 193.170.116.0 193.170.117.0 ODVNET Umweltbundesamt Ozon-DV by H.Mir 02 A.01.01 193.170.118.0 193.170.119.0 HTL-STP Hvhere technische BLA St.Pvlten 04 A.01.03 193.170.120.0 193.170.123.0 ATMAGL Mag. der Stadt Linz 04 A.04.-- 193.170.124.0 193.170.127.0 FHS-HGBG-LAN FHS-Hagenberg 08 A.04.04 193.170.128.0 193.170.135.0 MHS-GRAZ HS f. Musik u. darst. Kunst 02 A.01.01 193.170.136.0 193.170.137.0 UNILEOBEN Uni Leoben 02 A.01.01 193.170.138.0 193.170.139.0 PIB-WIEN PIB Paedag.Inst.d.Bundes 02 A.02.-- 193.170.140.0 193.170.141.0 VIE-EBS1,2 Vienna-EBS1 serial outgoing 02 A.01.01 193.170.142.0 193.170.143.0 AMDA-AT AMDA-AT Linz 04 A.03.01 193.170.144.0 193.170.147.0 ADBK Akad. d. bildenden Kuenste Wien 04 F.04.-- 193.170.148.0 193.170.151.0 - FREE 04 A.02.02 193.170.152.0 193.170.155.0 BDANET Bundesdenkmalamt by H.Hatzinger 04 A.04.-- 193.170.156.0 193.170.159.0 HTL-LEONDING HTL-Leonding 02 A.02.-- 193.170.160.0 193.170.161.0 UBA-VIENNA Umweltbundesamt Wien by H.Mirth 01 A.01.-- 193.170.162.0 HTL-WIEN-1 HTL Wien I, Schellinggasse 01 A.01.-- 193.170.163.0 OESTAT Statistisches Zentralamt by W.St 02 A.01.01 193.170.164.0 193.170.165.0 PTT01NET G.Dir. f.d. Post u. Telegr.verw. 02 A.01.01 193.170.166.0 193.170.167.0 OEHZA OeH Zentralausschuss by K.Egger 08 A.08.-- 193.170.168.0 193.170.175.0 ZAMGRZ ZA f. Meteorologie u. Geodynamik 08 A.06.02 193.170.176.0 193.170.183.0 MOZNET HS MudK "Mozarteum" Salzburg 08 F.08.-- 193.170.184.0 193.170.191.0 - FREE 64 A.01.63 193.170.192.0 193.170.254.0 AEN Ars Electronica Ctr./Mus.3rd.Mil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Statistics: Addresses assigned: 130 Addresses reserved: 111 Addresses free: 15 Biggest block ass'd: 64 Size Number Free Ass'd Reserved Comments... 1 10 2 7 0 2 15 0 15 13 4 8 4 17 9 8 7 8 34 18 16 4 0 45 8 32 -- -- -- -- 64 1 0 1 63 see note 1) 128 -- -- -- -- General comments: Some of the previously reserved address blocks have already been cut in size and reassigned or reassigned completely. In at least 3 instances reserved blocks (up to size 8) have been completely allocated within 9 month after the initial allocation. We will continue to reallocate small reserved blocks from this address range to new applications for 1 or two addresses, especially when no growth in the networks -holding the reservation- has been seen within a reasonable timeframe. Note 1: A tentative reservation was made (to be reviewed by the NCC) for a newly built "Museum of Electronic Arts and Museum of the 3rd Millenium", in favour of allocating a large block in the beginning that is potentially never used. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Wilfried.Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at Computer Center - ACOnet : Vienna University : Tel: +43 1 4065822 355 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4065822 170 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : NIC: WW144 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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