August 2002 - lir-wg - mailman.ripe.net

AS policy discussion - summary
by leo vegoda 19 Aug '02

19 Aug '02

Dear Colleagues, Please find below a brief summary of the discussion on AS Numbers. This summary should provide input for further discussions at RIPE 43: In order to conserve AS numbers and routing table space, current policy only allows the assignment of an AS Number if a network is multi-homed. It is difficult if not impossible to reliably verify if a network is multi-homed soley by looking at the routing tables. Nonetheless, it was proposed that where a reciprocal routing policy is published in the Routing Registry it is very likely that multi-homing is in place. While reclamation of unused AS numbers was not a point of contention, no definition of "usage" was achieved. No conclusion was reached although varying proposals were brought forward. Therefore we suggest that each month the RIPE NCC publish a list of assigned AS numbers and their status. The information will be drawn from the IRR and the RIS project. Best regards, -- leo vegoda RIPE NCC Registration Services

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Re: [lir-wg] DNSSEC training WHY?
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 19 Aug '02

19 Aug '02

Hi Stephen! > [ ... ] >If you are going to start training this kind of thing is should be at >the very least on a subscription basis. I for one do not want to fund >the education of the entire ripe community. I feel this is wrong, it is >not part of our service agreement which is what we pay for, much the same >as the test traffic white elephant we funded for years. I am fully aware that some organisations now and then go through phases where any and all expenses are more tightly checked than in the past ;-) While the Annual Activity Plan issue has already been taken care of, there is another aspect which cannot (for the benfit of those who joined the community at a later date or who didn't follow the project in detail) be left standing without a comment: your "white elefant" claim, implying that the community funds a pet project for a minority: I have just today approved payment for the TTM Service invoice for ACOnet's testbox, amounting to 6K+ EUR. We have actually _bought_ the hardware, and we pay an _annual service_ fee. So it definitely IS a self-sufficient, _subscription based_ service offered by the NCC! Best regards, _________________________________:_____________________________________ Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at UniVie Computer Center - ACOnet : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB: WW144, PGP keyID 0xF0ACB369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Transferring InterNIC space from ARIN Database to other RIR databases
by Joao Luis Silva Damas 16 Aug '02

16 Aug '02

Dear Gabriella, we have been working on this process, not as fast as we would have liked to, I must admit. We will start by transferring ASNs. There are fewer and simpler cases when compared with IP address blocks and it will allow everyone to get a better understanding of the real amount of work involved, rather than just having an estimate, as good as it may be. As a matter of fact, we were going to send an announcement earlier today explaining the process, which is meant to start next week, but some internal problems have prevented this from happening. A message will be posted on Monday. It would be good to have some time during the lir-wg session at RIPE 43 to present the results of the first, relatively easy, step and close any issues people may have with the more complex transfer of the IP addresses. We could then proceed with the rest of the resources soon after the discussions at the RIPE meeting and in these lists. Best regards, Joao Damas RIPE NCC At 17:02 +0200 8/8/02, Gabriella Paolini wrote: >"Transferring InterNIC space from ARIN Database to other RIR databases". > >Any news about that? > >Regards, > >Gabriella Paolini >------------------------------------------------- >GARR - The Italian Academic and Research Network >http://www.garr.it >m@il: gabriella.paolini(a)garr.it >-------------------------------------------------

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E-mail address masquerading for archived mail messages
by RIPE NCC WebMaster 16 Aug '02

16 Aug '02

Dear Colleagues, [Apologies for duplicate mails] Beginning today, 16 August, the RIPE NCC will implement "e-mail address masquerading" for messages displayed on the web site in the RIPE and the RIPE NCC mailing list archives. E-mail masquerading makes it more difficult for spammers to harvest e-mail addresses from the mailing list archives. When masquerading is applied, the e-mail address of the sender will be hidden in the mail archived messages. Those reading archived mail will see a return e-mail address that appears as "<somebody@localhost>". When clicking on this e-mail address, the address of the original sender will be loaded in your mail program, enabling you to send a message to the author. The RIPE NCC has chosen to implement this security measure as there have been various complaints from members of the RIPE community that e-mail addresses were being abused by spammers for Unsolicited Bulk E-mail (UBE). By implementing this security measure we anticipate there will be a sharp reduction to address harvesting of archived e-mail addresses. We will be checking for harvesters who manage to overcome this measure and will take further steps if necessary. E-mail masquerading will be applied to all mailing lists found in the following directories: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail-archives/ We appreciate your understanding on this matter. Regards Jeroen Bet RIPE NCC WEBMASTER ==================

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DNSSEC training WHY?
by Stephen Burley 15 Aug '02

15 Aug '02

Hi Could someone please tell me WHY we are running free training courses for DNS? Training how to interact with the NCC and DB i understand, but dns i do not. Who made the descision to implement this training and what grounds are there for doing this? Regards, Stephen Burley WorldCom EMEA Hostmaster SB855-RIPE

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Webcasting Meetings
by Stephen Burley 15 Aug '02

15 Aug '02

Hi I am formaly asking that if not RIPE 43 then all future meetings will be webcast so that all memebers who want to attend can attend the meeting. Otherwise this is by no means an equal opportunity meeing to attend and is only open to those who can get their expenses justified for holiday destinations with the express intention of going to the meeting, which lets face it in the current climate is nigh impossible. Its not that i do not appreciate the venues or that the meetings are not the place to go, its just getting harder to get to them. I wish to see a broader section of the community contributing to the RIPE process which is unique and a fine foundation for the RIPE community to come together, its just that the coming together is much harder for most now. Otherwise the only views expressed and heard are those of the people who can attend physicaly which is not the majority so limiting the scope and participation of the community at large. Regards, Stephen Burley WorldCom EMEA Hostmaster SB855-RIPE

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Fwd: ARIN to allocate from 69.0.0.0/8
by leo vegoda 08 Aug '02

08 Aug '02

----- Forwarded message ----- From: "Leslie Nobile" <leslien(a)arin.net> To: <nanog(a)nanog.org> Subject: ARIN to allocate from 69.0.0.0/8 Date: 8 August 2002 14:23:58 GMT In the near future, ARIN will begin making allocations from 69.0.0.0/8. This will include allocations of /20 and shorter prefixes, according to ARIN's minimum allocation policy. For informational purposes, a list of ARIN's currently administered blocks can be found at http://www.arin.net/statistics/index.html Regards, Leslie Nobile Director, Registration Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) ----- End forwarded message ----- Regards, -- leo vegoda RIPE NCC Registration Services

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Re: [lir-wg] AS Number Policy - continued
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

Not really important, but just to avoid being counted as agreeing :-) >Anyway, I think that everyone have suggested to do both with a OR in >between. ...no objection against the OR, but the result of the OR should not be the _only_ input to a decision process. It would be an efficient mechanism to be used _in support_ of continued AS# holdership, though. >Basically just claiming that "yes I do peer at backwater-IX with >Farm-IP and Countryside Networks and I don't get transit from anywhere" >should not be enouhg. I disagree. >RIPE should be able to verify that this is true. Some nit-picking... RIPE (the community): I don't think so - other than having access to some publicly accessible documentation, e.g. in the Routing Registry. The NCC: maybe, if and when we can agree on the criteria, and the cost for verification vs. the result. >- kurtis - Wilfried.

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Re: [lir-wg] Webcasting Meetings
by Janos Zsako 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

> From owner-lir-wg(a)ripe.net Wed Aug 7 14:48:37 2002 > From: "Stephen Burley" <stephenb(a)uk.uu.net> Dear Stephen, > > For a definitive response on whether we actually get to do this at > > the RIPE meetings however, the RIPE chair (Rob) has the last word. > > Since it is our money and our community why does one person hold the keys on > this desicion? I think this question could be appropriate if there was _consensus_ in the community that this is something we _must_ have, and Rob would oppose it. At present I think it is not the case. Janos

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Updating inet6num objects with a legacy status attribute
by leo vegoda 06 Aug '02

06 Aug '02

Dear Colleagues, The RIPE Database server, whois.ripe.net, has been updated to allow the new status attributes specified in the document: "New Values of the 'status:' Attribute for inet6num Objects" <http://www.ripe.net/docs/new-value-status.html> The status values of all inet6num objects maintained by the RIPE NCC have been updated as appropriate. We would be grateful if everyone maintaining inet6num objects would update them to use the new status attribute values. The RIPE NCC will use the "ASSIGNED" status value to determine the HD ratio when it receives a request for an additional IPv6 allocation. A request form for additional IPv6 allocations will be published in the near future. Best regards, -- leo vegoda RIPE NCC Registration Services

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