November 2002 - lir-wg - mailman.ripe.net

CENTR Could Also Lease /8s ?
by Jim Fleming 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

http://www.centr.org/news/vacancy-6.html COUNCIL OF EUROPEAN NATIONAL TOP-LEVEL DOMAIN REGISTRIES Vacancy: General Manager ====================================================== CENTR could also obtain some /8s and lease those to LIRs. That could be a large source of stable funding. http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space

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RE: [lir-wg] From ARIN...RIPE NCC to allocate from 82.0.0.0/8
by Boyan Krosnov 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

Chill out Jim. Can you please explain to us where exactly does your conclusion about "allocations flow" come from? I see the message posted to NANOG by the ARIN Director of Registration Services, Leslie Nobile, which says that IANA has allocated 82/8 to RIPE NCC, and that RIPE will begin making allocations. But nothing related to the ARIN invlolvement in this process, neither about "$$$$"s. Where does your conclusion for "Allocations flow" and "$$$$$" flow come from then? I may just be too dumb to see the conspiracy behind the scenes, and excuse me about it. _EVEN IF_ you are right about it all you will have to make a great effort to educate and share with the community. And _NO_, messages like this one will not earn you any points of support. Try to be more descriptive. To write longer messages. To accumulate and systematize the information that you have gathered. There is no use for 5 messages of 2 lines every day. Links don't do any good if they are not properly described. Try to also explain the flow of thought that takes you from point A to point B, as in this case from the Nobile->NANOG message to "Allocations flow" and "$$$$". Still as dumb as a network engineer from Eastern Europe, Boyan Krosnov, CCIE#8701 http://boyan.ludost.net/ Just another techie speaking for himself > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Fleming [mailto:JimFleming@ameritech.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:54 PM > To: lir-wg(a)ripe.net > Subject: [lir-wg] From ARIN...RIPE NCC to allocate from 82.0.0.0/8 > > > http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg05359.html > RIPE NCC to allocate from 82.0.0.0/8 > ==== > > IP Allocations flow....>>>> > ICANN---->ARIN---->RIPE---->LIRs---->ISPs---->Users > $$<------$$$$<------$$$$$$$$$<------$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$<----- > > > Jim Fleming > 128-bit DNS is closer than you think... > IPv16...COM...NET...AM...NZ...AE...FM...NR...SZ...AC...DE...FI > ...JM...NO...PR...ST...UZ > http://ipv8.dyndns.tv > http://ipv8.dyns.cx > http://ipv8.no-ip.com > http://ipv8.no-ip.biz > http://ipv8.no-ip.info > http://ipv8.myip.us > http://ipv8.dyn.ee > > >

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"...RIRs can fulfil their mission without ICANN..." ?
by Jim Fleming 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/about/board/minutes/twenty-nine.html All were convinced that in close cooperation with the IETF + IAB and the name registries the RIRs can fulfil their mission without ICANN. AP reported that a new joint RIR statement is expected to be published during the weeks to come. The remaining 50% of the ICANN contribution is not to be paid until further instruction from the Executive Board. The Executive Board wants to check whether payment will be beneficial to the RIPE NCC or to the Internet. ======================= http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/about/ "The RIPE NCC currently supports 3150 Local Internet Registries (LIRs) who collectively form the RIPE NCC membership."

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"...need to raise funding for first half of 2003..."
by Jim Fleming 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

How much does RIPE currently pay to ICANN ? http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc11/msg00184.html (3) The ICANN budget will not support much funding for the GNSO in first half of 2003, so our budget assumptions are still valid (ie the GNSO will need to raise funding for first half of 2003). =====

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3:19...Re: [lir-wg] From ARIN...RIPE NCC to allocate from 82.0.0.0/8
by Jim Fleming 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

----- Original Message ----- From: "Boyan Krosnov" <bkrosnov(a)lirex.bg> I know that Bulgaria has the whole 3:19 ====== 3:19 maps to 98.0.0.0 for TOS!=0,0x0*,0x*0 3*256 = 768...768+19 = 787....787 / 8 = 98... http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space 098/8 Sep 81 IANA - Reserved http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 3:17 SAUNA 3:19 BG (BULGARIA) <<<<<<<<< ============================= http://root-dns.org/vuedig/vuedig_tld.php?tld=sauna&record=NS ==== http://register.icann.org/cgi/amsterdam_attendees.cgi 6 Axel Pawlik Axel Pawlik The RIPE NCC NL 7 Carsten Schiefner Carsten Schiefner The RIPE NCC NL 13 Rob Blokzijl Rob Blokzijl ICANN Board of Directors Netherlands ==== In Texas they have a saying...."Big Hat, No Cattle"...

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Annual Meeting in Amsterdam
by Jim Fleming 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-13nov02.htm http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-42/presentations/ripe42-lir-… Address Council Membership RIPE Region a.. Hans-Petter Holen* b.. Sabine Jaume c.. Wilfried Woeber =======

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3:207...Fw: [lir-wg] RE: From ARIN...RIPE NCC to allocate from 82.0.0.0/8
by Jim Fleming 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hallgren" <m.hallgren(a)free.fr> > Michael Hallgren, http://m.hallgren.free.fr/, MH2198-RIPE > === You can check for IN-ADDR.FR http://www.analogx.com/contents/dnsdig.htm 3:204 WARSAW 3:205 TRUSS 3:206 SE (SWEDEN) 3:207 FR (FRANCE) 3:208 ATHENS 3:209 FLAKE 3:210 DK (DENMARK) ==== Note...the 11-bits (3:207) can fit in the existing IPv4 headers...

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RE: From ARIN...RIPE NCC to allocate from 82.0.0.0/8
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

>Can you please explain to us .... NO, pls. don't even _ask_ for it ;-) We're already getting more than our reasonable share of noise _without_ asking for it.... -W.

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Re: [lir-wg] From ARIN...RIPE NCC to allocate from 82.0.0.0/8
by Jim Fleming 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

----- Original Message ----- From: "Boyan Krosnov" <bkrosnov(a)lirex.bg> Reading the draft below it seems that ICANN perporms some of the functions of IANA, including the administration of the arpa TLD.... http://www.ngi.org/enum/pub/draft-iab-arpa-00.txt Do you then conclude that RIPE should pay ICANN directly ? http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space Does it matter who RIPE pays the $168,000,000 per /8 per year to ? ======

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ICANN--->RIPE or ICANN--->ARIN--->RIPE ?
by Jim Fleming 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

ICANN--->RIPE http://www.icann.org/biog/blokzijl.htm "Robert Blokzijl is a founding member of RIPE, the European open forum for IP networking. Since its foundation in 1989, he has been chairman of this organization, and was instrumental in the creation of RIPE NCC in 1992 as the first Regional Internet Registry in the world." === ICANN--->ARIN--->RIPE ? ...appears to more closely follow the IN-ADDR.ARPA delegations... Jim Fleming 128-bit DNS is closer than you think... IPv16...COM...NET...AM...NZ...AE...FM...NR...SZ...AC...DE...FI...JM...NO...PR...ST...UZ http://ipv8.dyndns.tv http://ipv8.dyns.cx http://ipv8.no-ip.com http://ipv8.no-ip.biz http://ipv8.no-ip.info http://ipv8.myip.us http://ipv8.dyn.ee

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