November 2002 - lir-wg - mailman.ripe.net

New Document available: RIPE-260
by RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

[Apologies for duplicate mails] New RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-260 Title: RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003 Author: Mireille Ent, Jochem de Ruig Date: 31 October 2002 Format: PS=359378 TXT=12616 Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: Short content description ------------------------- The "RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003" outlines the billing and payment procedure for members of the RIPE NCC and contains additional related information about the RIPE NCC. This document should be read in conjunction with the "RIPE NCC General Terms and Conditions" and the "RIPE NCC Clearing House Procedure". Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website. The "RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule 2003" is available at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/billing2003.html You can also access the RIPE documents via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-260.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-260.txt plain text version Kind Regards, Jeroen Bet RIPE NCC Webmaster

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Warning
by Axel Pawlik 28 Nov '02

28 Nov '02

Jim, based on your track record on this and other lists, I am warning you that we will ban you from RIPE related mailing lists, if you continue to spam the list with off topic and unconstructive postings. regards, Axel Pawlik

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Re: [lir-wg] RIPE Payments to ICANN
by Keith Talent 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

To LIR-WG Chair, Let's can the spam. --- ********************************* Keith Talent Snr Sys Admin MSCE DART Problem? What problem? ********************************* On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:58:48 Jim Fleming wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Galbavy" <peter.galbavy(a)knowtion.net> >> > A /8 is equivalent to 16,777,216 apartments (cyber hotels)... >> > At $15 per month, an ISP has a monthly revenue of $251,658,240 and >> $3,019,898,880 per year. >> > >> > One month to "the broker" would be $251,658,240. >> >> Jim, you have even lower an understanding of economics, esp WRT to IP >> addressing, than I was accused of earlier. >> > >Can you enlighten everyone with your "understanding of economics" ? > >Are AM economics different from FM economics....? >...Quality costs money....many people are willing to pay for higher quality... > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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Re:[lir-wg] RIPE Payments to ICANN
by Murray, John 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

It is true that 'on the Internet nobody knows you're a dog', or a broken automaton. Reading this thread I don't think 'Jim' would pass the Turing test. Regards John ________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the CitC Virus Scanning Service powered by SkyLabs. For further information visit http://www.citc.it

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AM /8 Transfers
by Jim Fleming 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

http://www.ripe.net/db/erx/erx-ip/ A detailed list of which networks will be transfered, and to which RIR, will be posted before each /8 is transfered. A full schedule for each network will also be published for each /8. ==== Launching a new TLD with the first letter from N to Z ? http://www.NET.nz

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flemming
by Randy Bush 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

long experience suggests o do not reply to the idiot. do not feed trolls, they only puke it up in public o formally request his posting, not subscription, privileges be revoked anything else amplifies the problem randy

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ARIN Election Results
by Jim Fleming 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

http://www.arin.net/announcements/11152002.html John M. Brown 17 David Conrad 53 Stephen Stuart 31 Bill Woodcock 51 ==== Total Votes Cast 152 On Friday, November 15, 2002, the Advisory Council appointed Lea Roberts and Stacy Taylor as Advisory Council members to fill the vacancies created by the resignations of lyric apted and John Brown.

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GM 2002 (and older) documents
by Axel Pawlik 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Dear all, to complement Wilfried's pointer to the invitation to the General Meeting, I want to point you towards the link of the proceedings: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/about/gm/gm2002/ Further, http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/about/gm/index.html supplies a complete trail of documentation including proposal documents from 1999. Earlier meeting minutes are present. To complete the list, http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/alltitle.html contains all planning documents from 1995 on (ripe-125). regards, Axel

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Again...Simple Question...What does RIPE pay ICANN per year for /8s ?
by Jim Fleming 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Again...Simple Question...What does RIPE pay ICANN per year for /8s ? $0 ? $1 ? $1,000 ? $100,000 ? $100,000,000 ? $200,000,000 ? ...there is an old joke about knowing who you are...now the price just has to be worked out...

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RIPE Payments to ICANN
by Chris Hallam 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

If my assumptions are correct, the point being made here is that the RIPE NCC is being questioned over the use of funds, generated from the LIRs, to support other organisations. In this case the ICANN. While it would be interesting to know the sum paid by the RIPE NCC to ICANN, as outlined in the document below, the matter is already under focus, and the remaining 50% of the contribution is not going to be paid unless the Executive Board says otherwise. If other participants of this forum agree that contributions to ICANN should be suspended, then those people need to voice their opinions to ensure the Executive Board don't change their minds. I, for one, haven't looked closely into the operations of ICANN, but if the general opinion is that, 'the RIRs can fulfil their mission without ICANN.', then I am happy to accept that judgement. The full document for the 29th Meeting of the RIPE NCC Executive Board can be found here: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/about/board/minutes/twenty-nine.html Financial information relating to ICANN can be found here: http://www.icann.org/financials/ One document that caught my attention was the Report of Expense Reimbursement and Other Payments to ICANN Directors: http://www.icann.org/financials/director-expenses-fye2002.htm Chris -----Original Message----- From: Jim Fleming [mailto:JimFleming@ameritech.net] Sent: 27 November 2002 02:37 To: lir-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [lir-wg] "...need to raise funding for first half of 2003..." How much does RIPE currently pay to ICANN ? http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc11/msg00184.html (3) The ICANN budget will not support much funding for the GNSO in first half of 2003, so our budget assumptions are still valid (ie the GNSO will need to raise funding for first half of 2003). ===== ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. **********************************************************************

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