October 2002 - lir-wg - mailman.ripe.net

creation of taskforce to support the ERX project (early registration xfer)
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

Dear participants in the DB and LIR WGs, as discussed and agreed in the DB-WG in Rhodes, and reported to the plenary, this is the "heads up" for the creation of a TaskForce (ERX-TF) to help in planning and test-driving the procedures and activities required to *most efficiently* perform the transfer of "early registrations" (sometimes also referred to as "legacy" IPv4 address space) from the ARIN DB to the RIPE DB.. [ For background information about the ERX Project please refer to the RIPE / RIPE NCC web pages. ] The proposed name of the TaskForce is "ERX-TF" . The preliminary and initial description of the activity is as follows: "The goal of the TF is to develop a proposal to the community of the transfer of early registration IPv4 address records (ERX) from ARIN to the RIPE NCC." For a start, I'd expect the TF to review the lessons learned from the transfer of AS Number Objects, and to investigate new or different issues with the already agreed transfer of IPv4 address space objects. The necessary next steps are 1) to ask the bigger community, by way of the mailing lists, whether there are any objections against the creation of the TF 2) to work on a refinement of the mandate, tasks to perform, and the expected results 3) to agree on a schedule, set of participants and to find a coordinator. Most of the work should be done by way of exchanging email amongst the TF Partcipants. Following up on expressions of interest as received during the RIPE43 WG session, an initial list of individuals would be put onto the mailing list. [ please see at the bottom of this mail ] Of course, if you are no longer interested - just let us know. Also, if you _are_ interested to join in - but did not or could not indicate your interest in Rhodes, please get back to us asap! Assuming that there would not be a major show-stopper, could I ask the NCC to follow up with any useful info (list name, draft schedule,...) to get us going as soon as possible? Cheers, Wilfried. Initial list of TF particpants: Havard Eidnes <he(a)uninett.no> Hank Nussbacher <hank(a)att.net.il> Gabriella Paolini <gabriella.paolini(a)garr.it> Kristian Rastas <kristian.rastas(a)sonera.com> Nigel Titley Ruediger Volk Wilfried Woeber <woeber(a)cc.univie.ac.at> _________________________________:_____________________________________ Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at UniVie Computer Center - ACOnet : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB: WW144, PGP keyID 0xF0ACB369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Static IP addresses
by Bob Arnesen 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

We live in Stockholm, Sweden and have the big government telephone company TELIA as our ISP. We have had internet services through their ADSL for a little over a year now and to my surprise I have recently found out that Telia has assigned us a fixed IP address. Every time we log on to the internet we start surfing with the same IP address every time. From a security and personal integrity point of view we may as well be surfing with our Social Security Numbers if thats the case. Of course dealing with a company the size of Telia you are immediately in David against Goliath position, and their position up to now is to just jack us around and assume no responsibility. When we had the old 56K modem and even ISDN, every time we got on the net we had a new IP address. Impossible to trace us and our surfing habits to a specific number. But not so with Telias ADSL. My questions are the following: * Is Telias current practice as I have described considered a breach of privacy for the private person/customer? * Is Telia following agreed International and /or European standards regarding IP addresses? * Am I able to lodge a formal complaint against such practices, either at the Ripe 44 meeting in Amsterdam in January or somewhere else? I do hope that The LIR-WG will be able to provide me with some answers. Regards, Robert Arnesen

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important database record
by Andrius Kasparavicius 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

hello, I think all should know this important record: JH914-RIPE Andrius Kasparavicius UAB "Kauneta" NOC

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Re: [lir-wg] Static IP addresses
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

...from the point of view of a plain commercial ADSL service customer: >On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 08:05:22PM +0200, > Bob Arnesen <bob.arnesen(a)telia.com> wrote > a message of 288 lines which said: > >> Telia has assigned us a fixed IP address. Every time we log on to the >... >> * Am I able to lodge a formal complaint against such practices, either How I'd love to trade places with you. I'd regularly ship you my constantly changing IP addresses in return for your fixed one :-) Cheers, Wilfried.

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Re: [lir-wg] Static IP addresses
by Gyan Mathur 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

Hoi > > So it seems that, for most European users, convenience is more > > important than privacy (if we admit that the market is always right). > > I think it is more likely that your average common user is simply unaware > of possible privacy implications. Most people simply want to 'get on the > net'. If a customer sends unwanted mail or has got a proxy that someone misuses, it is much easier to find out which customer it is if they have got a static IP address. Gyan Demon Internet Nederland

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