August 2000 - lir-wg - mailman.ripe.net

RIPE-160
by Hank Nussbacher 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

While reviewing RIPE-160: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-160.html for a customer, the customer asked me "Where does it state that RIPE will keep all the information provided confidential? The info provided in the RIPE-160 - form as well as RIPE-141 has very confidentail info." I reviewed as well http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-173.html - The General Terms and Conditions and no place does it state that the information provided by the new LIR will be treated in confidentiality. I must be missing it among the various RIPE docs. Please point me to the correct one. Thanks, Hank

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Re: New AS request in another country
by Kai Keinänen 16 Aug '00

16 Aug '00

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Berislav Todorovic wrote: > A rather better approach is to try to plan address space assignment within > the current allocation smarter. Say, if xx.foo was allocated 172.16/16 in the > past and it wants to start its business in the country YY, then they may > "reserve" a small /20 within that allocation (say 172.16.240/20) and start > assigning addresses to YY customers from that /20, while using the rest of > the /16 for XX customers. This is rather difficult for the new registries who do not have many /16:s of free address space. This is due to the requirement of 80% fill-up of an allocation before a new allocation can be obtained. Basically, dividing a /16 into a /17 and 8 per-country /20:s would be optimal from the routing point of view: the /16 could be presented as an aggregate to transit or to non-European peers. However, if business grows at different speeds in different countries, and one is only able to allocate /21 in half of the countries, the fill-up ratio will remain at 75%, making it impossible to get a new allocation and forcing a renumbering. Thus, it seems that the current policies force one to register several LIRs, and to request distinct non-aggregatable address spaces. This leads to explosion of routing tables. Is this really what we want? (The alternative would be to change policies to allow a LIR to have several open allocations when the open allocations would be under different routing policies.) - Kai Keindnen Saunalahti Oyj -- Kai Keinanen >>>^<<< GSM: +358 456 700 100 Technology Director /$\ mail: PL 96, 33721 Tampere SAUNALAHTI OYJ, Finland | | email: Kai.Keinanen(a)saunalahti.fi .88.744/7.88.744/7.88.744/7.88.oOOOo.88.744/7.88.744/7.88.744/7.88.744/7.8

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Re: New AS request in another country
by Joao Luis Silva Damas 16 Aug '00

16 Aug '00

I just realized I left part of the original message unaddressed. > Can LIR xx.foo request a new allocation and a new ASN for use by the new > daughter? For IP allocations, you must have a second LIR. One LIR can only have one open IPv4 allocation at one given time. Joao

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New AS request in another country
by Herbert Baerten 15 Aug '00

15 Aug '00

Dear colleagues, after reading various related RIPE documents, the following question is still not clear to me: suppose a company Foo.xx in country X (operating a LIR xx.foo) wants to start up a daughter company in country Y, where it will need a new AS. Can LIR xx.foo request a new allocation and a new ASN for use by the new daughter? or Does it need to establish a legal entity in country Y, start up a new LIR yy.foo, and have yy.foo request a new allocation and ASN ? tia! kind regards, Herbert -- Herbert Baerten HB5351 HostIT Network Manager NCC9166-RIPE

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Re: Fwd: Re: RIPE-160
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

=> - what is the meaning of "PIR"? = =I used that TLA to refer to Planetary IR. Ahhhh :-) -WW

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RE: Fwd: Re: RIPE-160
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

>Subject: Fwd: Re: RIPE-160 > >I wonder what others feel about this. Such an important prinicipal should >be in the RIPE-173; do others feel the same? > >-Hank A couple of observations... Hank, I guess you do have a particular suggestion? If yes, please put it forward for discussion. Or do you really intend to start a discussion about feelings :-? Some of the stuff in the excerpt as attached below might benefit from a more precise definition: - when we talk about registry business, we're talking Local-IRs and the RIPE _NCC_. - "RIPE" is the term used for referring to the loosely defined european region's "internet constituency". RIPE does not in itself or directly deal with registry transactions, but it does have influence on the definition of address distribution _policiy_. - what is the meaning of "PIR"? > > >It's in RIPE-185: > > > > > ><URL: http://www.ripe.int/ripe/docs/ripe-185.html#toc69> > > > > > >Confidentiality > > > > > > Information collected by a registry in the registration process must > be kept > > > in strict confidence. It is to be used for registration purposes only. > > > It must > > > be transmitted only to higher level registries and/or IANA upon request, > > > but will not be transmitted to any other party unless explicitly > requested > > > in writing by the end user. > > > > Thanks, but that applies more to LIRs than to RIPE. It should be in > > RIPE-160 explicited stated. > >I took it to apply to Registries, whether they be LIRs or RIRs (or the PIR). > >If you feel it should be more clear please feel free to ask for the document >phrasing to be changed on the <lir-wg(a)ripe.net> list. > >Regards, > >-- >leo vegoda >RIPE NCC Best regards, Wilfried. _________________________________:_____________________________________ Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at UniVie Computer Center - ACOnet : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB: WW144, PGP keyID 0xF0ACB369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: delays
by Hank Nussbacher 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

At 11:17 09/08/00 +0100, Willy Calderon wrote: To be a new LIR you send the form to: new-lir(a)ripe.net Once you have a regid, you need to include that in all emails to hostmaster so your email doesn't enter the "slow" queue as yours appears to have. Read the docs. -Hank > > To Willy Calderon: > > > > We have not received any requests from the registry you are > > registered with during 2000. Please give us some more information. > > When and where to did you send your request? Off the list if you want. > > >We sent RIPE(hostmaster(a)ripe.net) an application on July 10 at 16:58. To >expedite this what should we do, send it again?

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Re: delays
by Willy Calderon 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

> To Willy Calderon: > > We have not received any requests from the registry you are > registered with during 2000. Please give us some more information. > When and where to did you send your request? Off the list if you want. We sent RIPE(hostmaster(a)ripe.net) an application on July 10 at 16:58. To expedite this what should we do, send it again?

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Fwd: Re: RIPE-160
by Hank Nussbacher 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

I wonder what others feel about this. Such an important prinicipal should be in the RIPE-173; do others feel the same? -Hank > > >It's in RIPE-185: > > > > > ><URL: http://www.ripe.int/ripe/docs/ripe-185.html#toc69> > > > > > >Confidentiality > > > > > > Information collected by a registry in the registration process must > be kept > > > in strict confidence. It is to be used for registration purposes only. > > > It must > > > be transmitted only to higher level registries and/or IANA upon request, > > > but will not be transmitted to any other party unless explicitly > requested > > > in writing by the end user. > > > > Thanks, but that applies more to LIRs than to RIPE. It should be in > > RIPE-160 explicited stated. > >I took it to apply to Registries, whether they be LIRs or RIRs (or the PIR). > >If you feel it should be more clear please feel free to ask for the document >phrasing to be changed on the <lir-wg(a)ripe.net> list. > >Regards, > >-- >leo vegoda >RIPE NCC

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RE: delays
by Mally Mclane 09 Aug '00

09 Aug '00

Joao, I cannot recall my ticket number, but I sent in a query about the RIPE email system and never got a reply. I 've just got back from Mexico for 2 weeks, so that was before the 26th. regards, mally mclane =>senior hostmaster =>for Energis Squared, Leeds, UK =>mally(a)energis-squared.com <> www.energis-squared.com =>t: +44(0)1132076624 <> m: +44(0)7787100695 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joao Luis Silva Damas [mailto:joao@ripe.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 5:00 PM > To: Willy Calderon; lir-wg(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: delays > > > Hello, > > I don't currently see any unopened tickets older than 26th of July. > > Could you provide a ticket number so that we can investigate the > matter further? > > Joao Damas > Head of External Services > RIPE NCC > > At 16:32 +0100 8/8/00, Willy Calderon wrote: > >Has anyone else noticed any delays with RIPE's working wait queue? > >Anything out of the ordinary, that is. I've sent > hostmaster(a)ripe.net a > >query on 10th July and have yet to get an initial response from them > >despite their claims that response times was up to two weeks. > > > >I've followed up on this initial query, but to no avail. > > > >---- > >Willy Calderon > >Provisioning Group > >LighthouseServers > >+44(0)117 908 2463 >

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