June 2000 - lir-wg - mailman.ripe.net

Re: Deletion of German domains
by Simon Leinen 28 Jun '00

28 Jun '00

>>>>> "mn" == mike norris <mike.norris(a)heanet.ie> writes: > What ever happened to the auto-referral mechanism, whereby a query > about a moved object could be referred onward to the appropriate > whois server? Such a mechanism has been in place for a while. The domains under .ch have been using it since December 1998. $ whois -h whois.ripe.net '-r -R -T domain ch' [...] domain: ch [...] refer: SIMPLE whois.nic.ch changed: gottsponer(a)switch.ch 19981223 In the meantime there has been an improved version of the referral mechanism which provides the IP address (or hostname?) of the original requestor to the delegated Whois server, which can be useful for logging/rate limiting purposes. It's certainly documented somewhere on the RIPE Web server. -- Simon Leinen simon(a)babar.switch.ch SWITCH http://www.switch.ch/misc/leinen/ Who is General Failure & why's he reading my disk?

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RE: Deletion of German domains
by mike.norris＠heanet.ie 28 Jun '00

28 Jun '00

> > > No, this is a working agreement about technical details. It > > > is based on the community consensus that domain related > > > information (excluding reverse delegations) should be moved > > > from the RIPE Database to the respective ccTLD databases. > > > > Fair enough, but community consensus must be recorded. Was > > this consensus achieved at RIPE 36 and we're still waiting for > > the relevant minutes? > > Frankly, I don't see what the great fuss is about, Mike. No great fuss, Håvard, just a request for a reminder of the original action point leading to this operational change. Andrei has now provided this. > > I think this has been discussed in the CENTR arena, and if I'm > not mistaken there's been developed a consensus between the RIPE > NCC and the CENTR folks for the preferred way forward. The RIPE > DB's primary purpose isn't to serve as a repository for domain > objects and related person objects -- I have for a long time had > the impression that this has been rather obvious, and that a > better solution for all parties would be preferable (less work > for the CC registries to maintain the RIPE DB data, tighter > coupling to the underlying registry database, costs for running > the system where they can be accounted for, etc. etc.) Indeed, and this has been raised in the db-wg many times in the past, even in pre-CENTR days. It would make sense if other CC registries could adopt the practice of .nl, .no, .de etc when it comes to providing a database of their registered domains and ancillary data. Regards. Mike

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RE: Deletion of German domains
by mike.norris＠heanet.ie 28 Jun '00

28 Jun '00

> >>>> According to the agreement between RIPE NCC and DENIC we plan > >>> Has this agreement been published? > >> No, this is a working agreement about technical details. It is based on > >> the community consensus that domain related information (excluding > >> reverse delegations) should be moved from the RIPE Database to the > >> respective ccTLD databases. > > Fair enough, but community consensus must be recorded. > > i am confused here. i presume the communities involved, ripe ncc and denic, > reached a consensus and one or the other would be whining if not. why > should this be a concern of the other lirs or the wg or you or me? See Andrei's reply, which points to a decision at RIPE 35 of the db-wg. So the WG has an interest, else RIPE NCC wouldn't have sent it the announcement about today's change in the first place. All I wanted was a reference to the original decision. Regards. Mike

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RE: Deletion of German domains
by mike.norris＠heanet.ie 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

> > > According to the agreement between RIPE NCC and DENIC we plan > > > > Has this agreement been published? > > > No, this is a working agreement about technical details. It is based on > the community consensus that domain related information (excluding > reverse delegations) should be moved from the RIPE Database to the > respective ccTLD databases. Fair enough, but community consensus must be recorded. Was this consensus achieved at RIPE 36 and we're still waiting for the relevant minutes? It would be useful to have some reference document, even a draft, but this is **no reflection whatsoever** on the excellent work of RIPE and its working groups! > > The RIPE Database will still be the source for domain related > information using referral mechanism (as long as top level domain > objects point to the actual domain databases). Though it may be more > efficient to query these databases directly. > > > > to delete German (.de) domain objects from RIPE whois database > > > on June 28th. From then on, information about German domains will > > > be available from DENIC's whois server, whois.nic.de. > > > > While speed and efficiency are to be commended, this is rather short > > notice, isn't it? From the mail on 8th June, I understood that DENIC > > would need between one and two months after moving the domain objects > > before the associated person objects could be moved. > > > > You are right, we are moving only domain objects. The person objects > will remain in the RIPE Database for several months. What ever happened to the auto-referral mechanism, whereby a query about a moved object could be referred onward to the appropriate whois server? Regards. Mike

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Deletion of German domains....:-|
by Alessandro.Pelosi＠swisscom-italy.com 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

Hallo: Excuse the fact that I take part to the discussion from a little time, i have previously looked at the old material present at the ripe website, but I have another question to ask to you: Dou we all plan to move all the record of the european domains to the database of the local domain registry aor is this only a single case? Are there any work in progres with IT-NIC that still has its own database? Thanks Alessandro Pelosi Network Engineering Swisscom Italy

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RE: Deletion of German domains
by mike.norris＠heanet.ie 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

> According to the agreement between RIPE NCC and DENIC we plan Has this agreement been published? > to delete German (.de) domain objects from RIPE whois database > on June 28th. From then on, information about German domains will > be available from DENIC's whois server, whois.nic.de. While speed and efficiency are to be commended, this is rather short notice, isn't it? From the mail on 8th June, I understood that DENIC would need between one and two months after moving the domain objects before the associated person objects could be moved. Regards. Mike

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Antwort: Deletion of German domains
by Jörg Bauer/Denic 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

On 27.06.00 11:33 RIPE Database Administration <ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > > Dear Colleagues, > > According to the agreement between RIPE NCC and DENIC we plan > to delete German (.de) domain objects from RIPE whois database > on June 28th. From then on, information about German domains will > be available from DENIC's whois server, whois.nic.de. nearly correct ;-) The server name is whois.denic.de -- ----------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Joerg Bauer | eMail : Joerg.Bauer(a)denic.de DENIC eG | Fon : +49 69 272 35 180 Wiesenhuettenplatz 26 | Fax : +49 69 27235 235 D-60329 Frankfurt | ----------------------------------+-------------------------------------------

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Deletion of German domains
by RIPE Database Administration 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

Dear Colleagues, According to the agreement between RIPE NCC and DENIC we plan to delete German (.de) domain objects from RIPE whois database on June 28th. From then on, information about German domains will be available from DENIC's whois server, whois.nic.de. Please note that you may experience some delays in processing your updates on June 28-29. We are sorry about any inconvenience this may cause. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to contact <ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net>. We are sorry about any inconvenience this may cause. Regards, Engin Gunduz ____________________________ RIPE Database Administration.

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Re: PGP 5 CERT Advisory
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

Adrian, actually an alert was already circulated by the RIPE NCC on Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:32:58 +0200. But you do have a point in that the warning was only sent to the DB-WG list. Touching on Alessandro's point, I'd be *really* interested to find out about the "hit-rate" in our community. I.e. how many of us (if anyone at all) were satisfying the criteria to end up with a potentially vulnerable key! Wilfried. PS: on the GnuPG pages, there is interesting information wrt the randomness issue ( http://www.gnupg.org/download.html --> see EGD ) _________________________________:_____________________________________ Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at UniVie Computer Center - ACOnet : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB: WW144, PGP keyID 0xF0ACB369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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PGP 5 CERT Advisory
by adrian.pauling＠bt.com 26 Jun '00

26 Jun '00

Are RIPE Community aware of the CERT Advisory regarding PGP version 5 for UNIX? http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-09.html Regards, Adrian F Pauling :-)NEL2C Internet Protocol Manager acd Information Systems Engineering Technical Architecture AFP1-RIPE / AFP-ARIN / AFP25-InterNIC * adrian.pauling(a)bt.com * +44 19 2685 1992 / +44 78 0290 4877 British Telecommunications plc Registered Office 81 Newgate Street London EC1A 7AJ Registered in England no 1800000

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