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May 1994
- 21 participants
- 31 discussions
D R A F T D R A F T D R A F T D R A F T D R A F T
Minute of Local IR WG Meeting at RIPE-18, May 1994
X.Y Local IR Working Group (D Karrenberg)
Chair: D Karrenberg
Scribe: M Norris
X.Y.1 Opening
An agenda circulated beforehand was agreed. The minutes of the
meeting held during RIPE-17 in January 1994 were agreed.
X.Y.2 Election of New Chairman
D Karrenberg explained why he had announced his resignation as
chairman. The efficacy of the WG might be questioned given that
the Director of the NCC presided over a group drawn from the
membership of RIPE, which set the agenda of the NCC. In addition,
the workload of the NCC was now so onerous that all other activities
had to be reviewed.
Following discussion, the meeting unanimously expressed its complete
satisfaction in the chairmanship by D Karrenberg of the Local IR
Working Group. The Group had found the close linkage with the
NCC to be of great benefit, and that this had never impeded its
work nor imposed any limitations on its freedom of action. The
meeting reluctantly accepted the resignation of the chairman.
M Norris agreed to act as chairman, with effect from the end of the
meeting.
X.Y.3 European Registry Report by the NCC
D Karrenberg reported that, from experience, it may be that enterprise
networks, such as those belonging to large multi- or trans-national
organisations, needed their own IP registries. As a rule, such
organisations did not get delegated address space. However, coordination
between local and regional registries was important.
X.Y.4 Reports of Significant Events at Local Registries
Question: In light of renumbering caused by CIDR, what should be
done with returned addresses?
It was agreed that such addresses could be returned, and welcome, to
any European IR. Such IRs would return addresses to the NCC. If
the addresses could be aggregated, they would be re-used, otherwise
they would be returned to IANA.
Question: Will someone write a paper on why it is a good idea to
return unused addresses?
Some discussion, but no takers.
It was agreed that incidents of note should be reported to the list
and to the NCC, and not reported only at WG meetings.
Incidents were reported of applications being rejected in Europe
but accepted on re-application to other regional registries. The
group expressed concern at the disparity in the criteria applied
by RIPE and InterNIC registries.
Action 18.1 D Karrenberg
Convey RIPE's concern at this disparity to the InterNIC.
X.Y.5 Standard IP Application Form
There was a discussion of multiple applications to different registries
by the same organisation, or by different components of the same
organisation. It was agreed that the standard form should be revised
to guard against such abuses. The following changes should be made:
* Indicate that any statements made in the form could be used in
consideration of future applications
* Applicants should indicate their parent organisation and its
assigned address space, if any
* Applicants to state whether they had made any applications for
IP addresses in Europe or elsewhere
Action 18.2 NCC
Draft new standard form in light of above recommendations
for discussion on the list.
X.Y.6 Default Range of AS Numbers
D Karrenberg had asked IANA for a default range of AS numbers, but this
had been refused.
[ Yves, can you please fill in the text of the point you made here? ]
[ I apologise for not minuting it properly. ]
X.Y.7 Report from Local IR Workshop
The workshop held before the start of RIPE-18 had been well attended,
numbers exceeding those who had booked and the number of lunch
equivalents.
RFC1597, concerning the allocation of private IP addresses, was noted.
Common errors with the administration of reverse DNS zones had been
summarised.
Action 18.3 NCC
Investigate monthly publication of error files on
reverse zone files, a la host count.
X.Y.8 Funding of and Charging for Local Registry Service
The meeting agreed that these were important issues and that the
group should make recommendations as soon as possible.
Action 18.4 M Norris
Initiate discussion on the list and aim to
summarise by way of a draft recommendation.
X.Y.9 Assignment Statistics
W Woeber and W Huber had suggested means of representing address
space assignment status. This would be discussed on the list.
1
0
On Thu, 19 May 1994 13:13:49 +0200 you said:
>
>> the number of requests will start approaching a thousand a month and the
>> government in your country is not willing to fund the operation of an
>> Internic out of the generosity of their heart, and the computing center
>> where you work cannot any longer dedicate you to a fulltime registar position
>> then something has to give.
>...
>> I foresee the only logical solution will be to simply charge users
>> a small registration fee.
>
>I foresee by that time the government will not have to do
>anything with the IP number registration. Network providers will
>be commercial and fighting for each potential customer. Cheap
>or even free numbers are one way to attract customers, and a very
>effective one at that.
>
>
>Martijn.
Yes for those customers that want to be connected *now*, yes the service
provider will provide free of charge the IP number (or at least should).
But just look at Internic and how many of the assigned IP nets are actually
connected. Many companies either have closed nets, or want IP addresses
for the networks they are building today that at some point in the distant
future they might want to connect to the global Internet.
So what happens when the 16 year kid calls up SuperInternetService Inc and
says I want an IP address? Or the telecom manager of Netwidget Inc
wants 35 class C nets for his multinational closed IP network? At some
point SuperInternetService Inc which runs on a profit basis and does
nothing for free will do the calculation of whether it is worth his
while to deal with all these "future potential" customers. The customer
when he is ready to connect will evaluate who has a cheaper rate and
a better support staff and not who gave them a free IP network 2 years
ago.
Hank
1
0
Local IRs,
I planned to attend the Local IR WG meeting at RIPE last Tuesday, but
the meeting was moved to yesterday, the same time as the Mbone WG
meeting (where I had to be for "chairing reasons"). And I forgot all
about it...
As Last Resort IR for The Netherlands I received a request for address
space (one C network) from an individual. The person requesting address
space tells me he has several machines at home able to talk IP and he
wants to interconnect them.
Since he has plans to connect his LAN at home to the Internet some day in
the future he asks for an official IP network number (which means RFC1597
is of no help in this case).
IMHO, this is a question which we will see in an increasingly frequency
in the near future. Think of what happens if IP functionality is built in
to Microsoft software...
I'd like to know whether you have received requests like this before,
and how you aproached this issue, since I think "we all" should have a
common attitude in Europe (better: world-wide) on this.
Thanks for your concern.
__
Erik-Jan.
5
4
I am very curious to see the minutes of the local-ir meeting since I was
not able to attend. When handing out IP addresses was a few a week we
all handled it on a volunteer basis and everyone was happy. Then we
formed a RIPE and everyone was asked to "fund" the registration process
of IP addresses, domain names, individual names, etc. And we all gladly
pay it. But when I recently posted in regards to our plans to charge
customers for IP address registration I got all sorts of flames. When
the number of requests will start approaching a thousand a month and the
government in your country is not willing to fund the operation of an
Internic out of the generosity of their heart, and the computing center
where you work cannot any longer dedicate you to a fulltime registar position
then something has to give.
As Eric-Jan has brought up, people will soon want home IP numbers and
I foresee the only logical solution will be to simply charge users
a small registration fee. Those that are serious about connecting up
will gladly pay $30-$50 for a class C net. Those that just want to call
up and bother you since it is a currently a free non-discriminating
service will think twice if they have to dig into their 16 year old
wallet and shell out $50.
I would like to see a European/RIPE "recommendation" for costs for:
a) IP address registration
b) domain name registration
c) routing update
Hank
3
2
13 May '94
Wilfried Woeber wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> this is the first proposal - for discussion - of a possible report
> format for the local registries. While I did not yet have a good idea
> for a simple "graphical" format, this is a format that could be used
> both internally for keeping track of allocations and could be easy to
> compare.
Here is another approach. While Wilfrieds proposal gives a lot of details about
the assigned networks, I was trying to show an overview on the status of the
assignments. The following table gives an overview of the whole address space
193.0.0.0 - 194.255.255.0.
The table shows the current contents of the RIPE database, where
. stands for an unassigned network
# * stand for assigned networks
A sequence of #### or **** is used for network ranges described with one
network entry in the RIPE database. The characters # and * are alternated
for each network entry, so that one can see the size of the ranges.
Willi Huber
SWITCH
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RIPE database version 94/05/07
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Action 17.3,4: Proposal - Report format for address assignments
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 11 May '94
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 11 May '94
11 May '94
Dear all,
this is the first proposal - for discussion - of a possible report
format for the local registries. While I did not yet have a good idea
for a simple "graphical" format, this is a format that could be used
both internally for keeping track of allocations and could be easy to
compare.
To have a sort of "live" example, I converted my local file into the
proposed format.
Any input welcome!
Wilfried.
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193.170.1.0 193.170.254.0 ACONET initially managed by NCC, now by UniVie
Legend:
Block: CIDR block
F/A(+R): F=free, A=assigned + optional reservation
Start: first address in block
End: last address in block
Netname: name of network(s) used in the RIPE-DB
to whom: local assignement information (optional)
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01 F.01.-- 193.170.0.0 - not to be assigned!
01 F.01.-- 193.170.1.0 - FREE (revoked ass. for Vienna EB
01 A.01.-- 193.170.2.0 TVLBG Technikum Vorarlberg
01 A.01.-- 193.170.3.0 ATINET Atominst. der Oest. Univ.
01 A.01.-- 193.170.4.0 ELAKVIE HS f. Musik u. darst. Kunst, I.f
01 A.01.-- 193.170.5.0 WAZ Wiener Akad. f. Zukunftsfragen b
02 A.01.01 193.170.6.0 193.170.7.0 VA-EDV HBLVA Spengergasse
04 A.02.02 193.170.8.0 193.170.11.0 TGM TGM Wien-XX
02 A.01.01 193.170.12.0 193.170.13.0 OINET Oekologie Institut
02 A.01.01 193.170.14.0 193.170.15.0 XBIT HTBL Klagenfurt
16 A.16.-- 193.170.16.0 193.170.31.0 UNILEO-C1,2,... Uni Leoben
16 A.08.08 193.170.32.0 193.170.47.0 KGI-LAN Uni-Linz
16 A.16.-- 193.170.48.0 193.170.63.0 UNIVIE11,12,... UniVie scattered nets
02 A.01.01 193.170.64.0 193.170.65.0 ARCS1 Seibersdorf
01 A.01.-- 193.170.66.0 CEDAR CEDAR C.E.Data Request Fac.
01 F.01.-- 193.170.67.0 - FREE
02 A.01.01 193.170.68.0 193.170.69.0 INTIBNET UNIDO/IPCT/TDP/INF
02 A.01.01 193.170.70.0 193.170.71.0 HTL-RANKWEIL HTL Rankweil
08 A.05.03 193.170.72.0 193.170.79.0 TUNET-S6,7,... TU-Wien
16 A.16.-- 193.170.80.0 193.170.95.0 OEAW-C-NETS OeAW, Inst. Netzwerke
08 A.04.04 193.170.96.0 193.170.103.0 KHS-LINZ-NETS Univ. of Arts and Ind. Design
08 A.04.04 193.170.104.0 193.170.111.0 ARSENAL BVFA Arsenal by. A.Deutsch
04 A.02.02 193.170.112.0 193.170.115.0 ONB Oest.Nat.Bibliothek, Pl.Stelle
02 A.01.01 193.170.116.0 193.170.117.0 ODVNET Umweltbundesamt Ozon-DV by H.Mir
02 A.01.01 193.170.118.0 193.170.119.0 HTL-STP Hvhere technische BLA St.Pvlten
04 A.01.03 193.170.120.0 193.170.123.0 ATMAGL Mag. der Stadt Linz
04 A.04.-- 193.170.124.0 193.170.127.0 FHS-HGBG-LAN FHS-Hagenberg
08 A.04.04 193.170.128.0 193.170.135.0 MHS-GRAZ HS f. Musik u. darst. Kunst
02 A.01.01 193.170.136.0 193.170.137.0 UNILEOBEN Uni Leoben
02 A.01.01 193.170.138.0 193.170.139.0 PIB-WIEN PIB Paedag.Inst.d.Bundes
02 A.02.-- 193.170.140.0 193.170.141.0 VIE-EBS1,2 Vienna-EBS1 serial outgoing
02 A.01.01 193.170.142.0 193.170.143.0 AMDA-AT AMDA-AT Linz
04 A.03.01 193.170.144.0 193.170.147.0 ADBK Akad. d. bildenden Kuenste Wien
04 F.04.-- 193.170.148.0 193.170.151.0 - FREE
04 A.02.02 193.170.152.0 193.170.155.0 BDANET Bundesdenkmalamt by H.Hatzinger
04 A.04.-- 193.170.156.0 193.170.159.0 HTL-LEONDING HTL-Leonding
02 A.02.-- 193.170.160.0 193.170.161.0 UBA-VIENNA Umweltbundesamt Wien by H.Mirth
01 A.01.-- 193.170.162.0 HTL-WIEN-1 HTL Wien I, Schellinggasse
01 A.01.-- 193.170.163.0 OESTAT Statistisches Zentralamt by W.St
02 A.01.01 193.170.164.0 193.170.165.0 PTT01NET G.Dir. f.d. Post u. Telegr.verw.
02 A.01.01 193.170.166.0 193.170.167.0 OEHZA OeH Zentralausschuss by K.Egger
08 A.08.-- 193.170.168.0 193.170.175.0 ZAMGRZ ZA f. Meteorologie u. Geodynamik
08 A.06.02 193.170.176.0 193.170.183.0 MOZNET HS MudK "Mozarteum" Salzburg
08 F.08.-- 193.170.184.0 193.170.191.0 - FREE
64 A.01.63 193.170.192.0 193.170.254.0 AEN Ars Electronica Ctr./Mus.3rd.Mil
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Statistics:
Addresses assigned: 130
Addresses reserved: 111
Addresses free: 15
Biggest block ass'd: 64
Size Number Free Ass'd Reserved Comments...
1 10 2 7 0
2 15 0 15 13
4 8 4 17 9
8 7 8 34 18
16 4 0 45 8
32 -- -- -- --
64 1 0 1 63 see note 1)
128 -- -- -- --
General comments:
Some of the previously reserved address blocks have already been
cut in size and reassigned or reassigned completely.
In at least 3 instances reserved blocks (up to size 8) have been
completely allocated within 9 month after the initial allocation.
We will continue to reallocate small reserved blocks from this address
range to new applications for 1 or two addresses, especially when no
growth in the networks -holding the reservation- has been seen within
a reasonable timeframe.
Note 1:
A tentative reservation was made (to be reviewed by the NCC) for a newly
built "Museum of Electronic Arts and Museum of the 3rd Millenium", in
favour of allocating a large block in the beginning that is potentially
never used.
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New Draft Document available: ripe-inetnum
by RIPE NCC Draft Document Annoucement Service 10 May '94
by RIPE NCC Draft Document Annoucement Service 10 May '94
10 May '94
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This is to announce a draft update to the inetnum document originally
known as ripe-050.
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10 May '94
This is to announce a draft version of the classless reperesentation
document.
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This is to announce a draft version of ripe-81++.
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Dear colleagues,
we have prepared three draft documents describing how support for
classless addresses can be added to the RIPE database. At the same time
we propose a clear split between the allocation registry and the routing
registry functions of the database. The allocation registry holds
information about address space assignments done by Internet registries,
while the routing registry holds information about routing policies and
is largely maintained by the service providers.
The three documents each describe one part of this new database.
ripe-81++ - routing registry
ripe-inetnum - allocation registry
ripe-clarep - representation of classless addresses
ripe-81++ is the longest document of the three. It describes the
routing registry part of the database. It is a direct descendant of
ripe-81. There are major changes as required by the separation of
allocation and routing information. Also there is now support
for classless routes and hence CIDR aggregation. It is also now
possible to describe multiple ASes originating the same route.
ripe-inetnum describes the changed inetnum object which is basically
stripped of all routing and obsoleted attributes. ripe-inetnum also
describes the person object and thus constitutes a complete reference
for the allocation registry.
ripe-clarep describes the representation of classless addresses in the
RIPE database and thus in both the routing and the allocation registry.
As these proposals are relevant to all three working groups addressed,
we would appreciate if they could be discussed at the upcoming meeting
and if at all possible consensus reached at least about the general
design behind them. We need to make the registries classless as soon as
possible and it will take some time to do the implementation.
The documents can be found in ftp.ripe.net:ripe/drafts/<name>.{ps,txt}.
We will be sending MIMEd announcements for all three shortly.
Comments are very welcome indeed.
Daniel
Marten
Tony
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