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Re: DRAFT local registries list
by Anne Lord 22 Nov '93

22 Nov '93

> Geert Jan de Groot <geertj(a)ica.philips.nl> writes: > On Fri, 19 Nov 93 14:53:18 +0100 Erik-Jan.Bos(a)SURFnet.nl wrote: > > 3. This is more or less a feeling-issue (and *no*, I am not a native > > speaker), but SURFnet is listed as "Non-Service Provider". This > > sounds to me as "Provider of a Non-Service". Maybe another word > > could be used, such as "NIC of last resort" or "Default NIC". But > > again, I am not a native speaker. > > Would 'Service-Provider' and 'No Service-Provider' sound better to you? > > Geert Jan > Geert Jan, seems like the term "Registry of last resort" to describe the current "Non Provider" label agrees with a number of people. Unless anyone has any better suggestions I propose to go with this. anne

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Re: DRAFT local registries list
by Erik-Jan.Bos＠SURFnet.nl 22 Nov '93

22 Nov '93

Piet, > 2. You say that some organizations appear on the list twice, since they > have the Provider and the Non-Provider role. Well, in the list for NL > I only see SURFnet once. Or did I misunderstand this thing? > > > org: SURFnet bv (NL-NIC) > > status: Non-Service Provider > > person: Erik Jan-Bos > > address: P.O. Box 19035 > > address: NL - 3501 DA Utrecht > > country: The Netherlands (nl) > > phone: +31 30 310290 > > fax-no: +31 30 340903 > > e-mail: netmaster(a)surfnet.nl > > Apart from that, in your place I wouldn't like to be > called Provider of a Non-Service... ;-) We had a thorough discussion on this already, with input from Native Speakers! Did your mailbox overflow :-)? __ Erik-Jan.

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Re: DRAFT local registries list
by Erik-Jan.Bos＠SURFnet.nl 22 Nov '93

22 Nov '93

Anne, > Below is the draft list of local registries which will be published > as agreed at the last RIPE meeting. Please check the contact details > are correct and let us know if any changes are necessary. Thanks for this list, which seems very useful to me. I have three questions regarding this list: 1. Reading from the text accompaning the list it is not clear to me when an organisation can be added to the list. In other words what are the criteria for being on the list. E.g., is it possible that FooBar, Inc., is added to this list as a Provider, without further info? 2. You say that some organizations appear on the list twice, since they have the Provider and the Non-Provider role. Well, in the list for NL I only see SURFnet once. Or did I misunderstand this thing? 3. This is more or less a feeling-issue (and *no*, I am not a native speaker), but SURFnet is listed as "Non-Service Provider". This sounds to me as "Provider of a Non-Service". Maybe another word could be used, such as "NIC of last resort" or "Default NIC". But again, I am not a native speaker. > *NEDERLANDS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > org: NLnet > status: Provider > person: Martijn Roos-Lindgreen > address: Kruislaan 413 > address: NL-1098 SJ Amsterdam > country: The Netherlands (nl) > phone: +31 20 5924245 > fax-no: +31 20 5924199 > e-mail: martijn(a)nluug.nl > > org: PHILIPS > status: Provider > person: Osman Khan > address: Philips Components SERI > address: Building BC136 > address: NL-5600 MD Eindhoven > country: The Netherlands (nl) > phone: +31 40 723802 > e-mail: khan(a)seri.philips.nl > > org: Unisource Business Networks (for EMPB) > status: Provider > person: Harold Rolfes > address: PO Box 90934 > address: NL-2509 LX The Hague > country: The Netherlands (nl) > phone: +31 70 371 1151 > fax-no: +31 70 371 1338 > e-mail: surf030(a)kub.nl > > org: SURFnet bv (NL-NIC) > status: Non-Service Provider > person: Erik Jan-Bos > address: P.O. Box 19035 > address: NL - 3501 DA Utrecht > country: The Netherlands (nl) > phone: +31 30 310290 > fax-no: +31 30 340903 > e-mail: netmaster(a)surfnet.nl __ Erik-Jan.

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Re: DRAFT local registries list
by Bjorn Eriksen 19 Nov '93

19 Nov '93

The problem is that we are mixing what we refer to. With "Service Provider" we mean something that reflect the status of the provider, someone that do provide a specified service. With "No-service-provider" we instead mean the status of the customer, not a provider that provide no services, but a customer not connected to or involved with someone from the other group of service providers. Thus we just need to be consistant in the way we refer to the various objects, whaterver that means ... --Bjorn

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Re: DRAFT local registries list
by Erik-Jan.Bos＠SURFnet.nl 19 Nov '93

19 Nov '93

Anne, > > > I agree - what about "internet registry of last resort"? or "last resort > > > > > registry". Bit long though. I dont think NIC is appropriate here. > > > Any other suggestions? > > > > Neutral registry? > > > > The problem is that "internet registry of last resort" probably implies > > the wrong thing. > > To me "neutral registry" means that it would be possible to have more > than one of these. "Registry of last Resort" implies that here is somewhere > you can go to "in the last resort' (and that correctly reflects the role of > these registries) and there would only be one such organisation. "Registry of last Resort" sounds pretty neat to me! __ Erik-Jan.

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Re: DRAFT local registries list
by bob＠informatics.rutherford.ac.uk 19 Nov '93

19 Nov '93

> "Registry of last Resort" sounds pretty neat to me! and me -- it's what we natives have been calling it over here for a while :-) Bob

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DRAFT local registries list
by Anne Lord 19 Nov '93

19 Nov '93

Dear All, Below is the draft list of local registries which will be published as agreed at the last RIPE meeting. Please check the contact details are correct and let us know if any changes are necessary. Regards, Anne - - - - - - - ---- - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - -- - - - --- - - -- ripe-XXX Nov 93 RIPE NCC - List of IP Local Registries ====================================== This is a list of European IP Local Registries known to the RIPE NCC. It is intended to clarify who you should contact if you need IP network numbers. All of the organisations listed allocate IP network numbers. The previously centralised procedures for obtaining IP network numbers from the Global Internet Registry (known as the InterNIC, formerly the DDN NIC) have been replaced by a distributed system. Blocks of Internet Network numbers are now delegated to the RIPE NCC, who in turn delegates blocks of numbers to Local Registries (IR's). The local IR's in turn, make most of the IP network number assignents in Europe. Local IR's are of two types. There are "Non-service provider" IR's and and "Service provider" IR's. If you do not intend to connect to the Internet in the foreseeable future or, at the present time, you do not have an IP service provider selected, then you should contact the "Non-service provider" registry for your country. If one does not appear to be listed, then you can direct any requests to the RIPE NCC. Alternatively if you have a service provider selected, you should contact them if you need IP numbers (there are some exceptions, since not all IP service providers allocate IP numbers). Some organisations appear twice in the list. This is because they fulfill the two functions outlined above. This is done in a fair and unbiased way. The list is sorted alphabetically by country code and the non-service provider registries are always listed last. There are no guarantees that this list is comprehensive. If you find that any of the information represented here is incorrect we would like to know about it as soon as possible. If you have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact the RIPE NCC at <ncc(a)ripe.net>, telephone +31 20 592 5065, fax +31 20 592 5090. *AUSTRIA- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - org: ACONET status: Provider person: Wilfried Woeber address: Computer Center - ACOnet address: Universitaetsstrasse 7 address: A-1010 Vienna country: Austria (at) phone: +43 1 436111 355 fax-no: +43 1 436111 170 e-mail: woeber(a)access.can.ac.at org: EUnet AT status: Provider person: Michael Haberler address: EUnet EDV Dienstleistungs Ges.m.b.h address: Schottenring 33 address: A-1010 Wien country: Austria (at) phone: +43 1 346184 fax-no: +43 1 3104462 e-mail: mah(a)ic.co.at org: EUnet AT (AT-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Waltraud Noficzer person: Georg Chytil address: Schottenring 33 address: A-1010 Wien country: Austria (at) phone: +43 1 346184 fax-no: +43 1 3104462 e-mail: hostmaster(a)eunet.co.at *BELGIUM- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: Belnet status: Provider person: Stephan Biesbroeck address: DPWB - SPPS address: Wetenschapsstraat 8 address: B-1040 Brussels country: Belgium (be) phone: +32 2 2383470 fax-no: +32 2 2305912 e-mail: stephan(a)cs.kuleuven.ac.be org: EUnet BE status: Provider person: Jean Huens address: Dept. Computerwetenschappen address: Celestijnenlaan 200A address: B-3001 Leuven country: Belgium (be) phone: +32 16 201015 fax-no: +32 16 205308 e-mail: jean(a)belgium.eu.net *BULGARIA- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: EUnet BG status: Provider address: c/o Digital Systems person: Daniel Kalchev address: Neofit Bozveli 6 address: Varna - 9000 country: Bulgaria (bg) phone: +359 52 259135 fax-no: +359 52 234540 e-mail: daniel(a)digsys.bg org: BG EUnet Daniel Kalchev (BG-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider address: c/o Digital Systems person: Daniel Kalchev address: Neofit Bozveli 6 address: Varna - 9000 country: Bulgaria (bg) phone: +359 52 259135 fax-no: +359 52 234540 e-mail: daniel(a)digsys.bg *SWITZERLAND- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: EUnet CH status: Provider person: Simon Poole address: Zweierstrasse address: CH-8004 Zuerich country: Switzerland (ch) phone: +41 1 291 45 80 fax-no: +41 1 291 46 42 e-mail: poole(a)chuug.ch org: SWITCH Geschaeftsstelle status: Provider person: Thomas Brunner address: Limmatquai 138 address: CH-8001 Zurich country: Switzerland (ch) phone: +41 1 261 8179 fax-no: +41 1 261 8133 e-mail: ch-zone-contact(a)switch.ch org: CHUUG-EUnet (CH-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Simon Poole address: Zweierstrasse address: CH-8004 Zuerich country: Switzerland (ch) phone: +41 1 291 45 80 fax-no: +41 1 291 46 42 e-mail: hostmaster(a)nic.eunet.ch *CROATIA- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: CARNet (CR-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Ivan Maric address: Croatian Academic and Research Network address: J.Marohnica bb address: Zagreb country: Croatia (cr) phone: +38 41 510-033 fax-no: +38 41 518-451 e-mail: ivan(a)smile.srce.hr *CZECH REPUBLIC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: EUnet Czech Republic status: Provider person: Jiri Orsag address: Prague Institute of Chemical Technology address: Computer Center address: Technicka 5 address: Prague 6 address: 166 28 country: Czech Republic (cz) phone: +42 2 3323242 fax-no: +42 2 3116278 e-mail: jiri.orsag(a)vscht.cz *GERMANY- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: BelWue status: Provider person: Peter Merdian address: Science Network of the Federal State of Baden-Wuerttemberg address: Universitaet Stuttgart address: Rechenzentrum address: Allmandring 30 address: D-W-7000 Stuttgart 80 country: Germany (de) phone: +49 711 1319 129 fax-no: +49 711 682357 e-mail: merdian(a)rus.uni-stuttgart.dbp.de org: DFN status: Provider person: Arnold Nipper address: Pariser Strasse 44 address: D-10707 Berlin country: Germany (de) phone: +49 30 884299 46 fax-no: +49 30 884299 70 e-mail: jrau(a)DFN.DE org: EASINET status: Provider person: Stefan Fassbender address: IBM ENC address: Vangerowstr. 18 address: D-6900 Heidelberg country: Germany (de) phone: +49 6221 594 446 fax-no: +49 6221 593 300 e-mail: stf(a)easi.net org: EUnet DE status: Provider person: Andreas Schachtner address: Emil-Gigge-Str. 80 address: D-W-4600 Dortmund 50 country: Germany (de) phone: +49 231 755 2444 fax-no: +49 231 755 2386 e-mail: afs(a)walhalla.Germany.EU.net org: NetCS Informationstechnik GmbH status: Provider person: Clemens Schrimpe address: Feuerbachstrasse 47-49 address: D-W-1000 Berlin 41 country: Germany (de) phone: +49 30 856999 0 fax-no: +49 30 8555218 e-mail: csch(a)netCS.com org: NETMBX DE status: Provider person: Ralf Moritz address: netmbx, GbR. A. Fischer und R. Moritz address: Feuerbachstr. 47/49 address: D-W-1000 Berlin 41 country: Germany (de) phone: +49 30 855 53 50 phone: +49 172 268 21 40 fax-no: +49 30 855 53 95 e-mail: trepex(a)tmpmbx.netmbx.de org: XLINK status: Provider person: Arnold Nipper address: Universitaet Karlsruhe address: Fakultaet fuer Informatik address: Am Fasanengarten 5 address: D-76128 Karlsruhe country: Germany (de) phone: +49 721 608 4331 fax-no: +49 721 699 284 e-mail: nipper(a)xlink.net org: DE-NIC status: Non-Service Provider person: Ruediger Volk address: Universitaet Dortmund, Informatik IRB address: D-44221 Dortmund country: Germany (de) phone: +49 231 755 4760 fax-no: +49 231 755 2386 e-mail: hostmaster(a)deins.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE *DENMARK- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: DENet DK status: Provider person: Jan P Sorensen address: Danish Computing Centre for address: Research and Education, UNI-C address: Building 305, DTH address: DK-2800 Lyngby country: Denmark (dk) phone: +45 42 88 39 99, 2520 phone: +45 45 93 83 55 ext. 2520 phone: +45 42 81 76 15 evening fax-no: +45 45 93 02 20 e-mail: Jan.P.Sorensen(a)uni-c.dk org: DKnet person: Robert Martin-Legene status: Provider address: Fruebjergvej 3 address: 2100 Koebenhavn OE country: Denmark (de) phone: +45 39 17 99 00 fax-no: +45 31 20 55 21 e-mail: robert(a)dknet.dk org: NORDUnet status: Provider person: Peter Villemoes address: c/o UNI-C address: Bygn. 305, DTH address: DK-2800 Lyngby country: Denmark (dk) Phone: +45 45 938355 Fax: +45 45 930220 e-mail: Peter.Villemoes(a)uni-c.dk org: DKnet (DK-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Robert Martin-Legene address: Fruebjergvej 3 address: DK-2100 Copenhagen O/ country: Denmark (dk) phone: +45 39 17 99 00 fax-no: +45 31 20 55 21 e-mail: netpasser(a)dkuug.dk *ESTONIA- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: EE-NIC status: Non-Service Provider person: Jaak Lippmaa address: Institute of Chemical Physics and Biophysics address: 10 Ravala Blvd. address: EE0001 Tallinn country: Estonia (ee) phone: +372-2-441304 fax-no: +372-2-440640 e-mail: jack(a)anubis.kbfi.ee *SPAIN- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: EUnet ES/ Goya Servicios Telematicos, S.A. status: Provider person: Juan-Antonio Esteban (Business Manager) person: Inmaculada Pindado (Technical Manager) address: Goya Servicios Telematicos, S.A. address: C/ Clara del Rey 8, 1-7 address: E-28002 Madrid country: Spain (es) phone: +34 1 413 48 56 fax-no: +34 1 413 49 01 e-mail: jae(a)Spain.EU.net e-mail: inma(a)Spain.EU.net org: RedIRIS-FUNDESCO status: Provider person: Miguel Angel Sanz person: Ignacio Martinez address: Alcala, 61 address: 28014 Madrid country: Spain (es) Phone: +34 1 4351214 fax-no: +34 1 5781773 e-mail: ip(a)rediris.es org: RedIRIS-FUNDESCO (ES-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Miguel Angel Sanz person: Ignacio Martinez address: Alcala, 61 address: 28014 Madrid country: Spain (es) Phone: +34 1 4351214 fax-no: +34 1 5781773 e-mail: nic(a)rediris.es *FINLAND - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: DATANET status: Provider person: Seppo Noppari address: Telecom Finland address: Data Services address: PO BOX 228 address: 33101 TAMPERE country: Finland (fi) phone: + 358 31 243 2242 phone: + 358 400 625 470 fax-no: + 358 243 2211 e-mail: son(a)tele.fi org: EUnet FI status: Provider person: Petri Helenius address: EUnet Finland OY address: Hietalahdenranta 15 A 14 address: Punavuorenkatu 1 address: FI-00120 Helsinki country: Finland (fi) phone: +358 0 400 2060 phone: +358 49 425 722 fax-no: +358 0 622 2626 e-mail: helpdesk(a)eunet.fi org: FUNET FI status: Provider person: Jyrki Soini address: Finnish University and Research Network address: c/o Center for Scientific Computing address: P.O.Box 405 address: FIN-02101 ESPOO country: Finland (fi) phone: +358 0 457 2704 fax: +358 0 457 2302 e-mail: Jyrki.Soini(a)funet.fi org: Oulu Telephone Company status: Provider person: Karttunen Jari Juha address: P.O. Box 30 address: SF-90101 Oulu country: Finland (fi) phone: +358 81 3134520 fax-no: +358 81 371057 e-mail: jjk(a)cs.tut.fi org: The Helsinki Telephone co. status: Provider person: E Salopuro address: Helsingin Puhelinyhdistys address: SO A508B address: PL 148, 00131 Helsinki country: Finland (fi) phone: +35 8 06063160 fax-no: +35 8 07011649 e-mail: <none> org: EUnet FI Ltd (FI-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Petri Helenius address: EUnet Finland OY address: Hietalahdenranta 15 A 14 address: Punavuorenkatu 1 address: FI-00120 Helsinki country: Finland (fi) phone: +358 0 400 2060 phone: +358 49 425 722 fax-no: +358 0 622 2626 e-mail: helpdesk(a)eunet.fi *FRANCE- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: INRIA EUnet France status: Provider person: Annie Renard address: Centre De Rocquencourt address: Domaine De Voluceau, BP 105, F-78153 address: Le Chesnay CEDEX country: France (fr) phone: +33 1 39 63 55 92 fax-no: +33 1 39 63 53 30 email: Annie.Renard(a)inria.fr org: OLEANE status: Provider person: Jean-Michel Planche address: 35 Boulevard de la Liberation address: VINCENNES address: Paris, F-94300 country: France phone: +33 1 43 28 32 32 fax-no: +33 1 43 28 46 21 email: jmp(a)apysoft.oleane.com org: France Telecom status: Provider person: Robert Benchimol address: DSI/SSPT address: Direction Generale address: Direction de Systeme d'Information address: 33, Avenue Du Maine address: 75755 Paris Cedex 15 country: France (fr) phone: +33 1 45 38 21 56 fax-no: +33 1 45 38 25 88 org: INRIA EUnet France (FR-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Annie Renard address: Centre De Rocquencourt address: Domaine De Voluceau, BP 105, F-78153 address: Le Chesnay CEDEX country: France (fr) phone: +33 1 39 63 55 92 fax-no: +33 1 39 63 53 30 email: Annie.Renard(a)inria.fr *GREECE- -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: EUnet GR status: Provider person: S. Sartzetakis address: Foundation of Research and Technology Hellas address: Computer Science Institute address: Daidalou 36, P.O. Box 1385, address: Heraklion, Crete country: Greece 71110 (gr) phone: +30 81 221171 e-mail: stelios(a)csi.forth.gr *HUNGARY -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: SZTAKI (HU-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Nandor Horvath address: H-1132 Budapest address: Victor Hugo Str. 18-22 address: Budapest country: Hungary (hu) phone: +36 1 1497986 fax-no: +36 1 1297866 e-mail: hostmaster(a)sztaki.hu *IRELAND - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: EUnet IE status: Provider person: Michael Nowlan address: O'Reilly Institute address: Trinity College address: Dublin 2 country: Ireland (ie) phone: +353 1 671 9361 phone: +353 1 702 1787 fax-no: +353 1 677 2204 e-mail: mn(a)dec4ie.ieunet.ie org: HEAnet status: Provider person: Mike Norris address: 21 Fitzwilliam Square address: Dublin 2 country: Ireland (ie) phone: +353.1.612748 fax: +353.1.610492 e-mail: mnorris(a)ilrearn.ucd.ie org: IE EUnet (IE-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Michael Nowlan address: O'Reilly Institute address: Trinity College address: Dublin 2 country: Ireland (ie) phone: +353 1 671 9361 phone: +353 1 702 1787 fax-no: +353 1 677 2204 e-mail: mn(a)dec4ie.ieunet.ie *ISRAEL - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: ILNET status: Provider person: Gil Ben-Noon address: DataServe Ltd address: 46 Negba St country: Israel 52282 (il). phone: +972 3 749199 fax-no: +972 3 5747547 e-mail: gil(a)ilnet.net org: Computer Centre of Tel-Aviv University (IL-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Hank Nussbacher address: Tel-Aviv University address: Ramat-Aviv country: Israel (il) phone: +972 3 6408309 fax-no: +972 3 6409118 e-mail: hank(a)vm.tau.ac.il *ICELAND - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: SURIS-ISnet/IS EUnet (IS-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Marius Olafsson address: University of Iceland address: Taeknigardi address: Dunhaga 5, 107 Reykjavik country: Iceland (is) phone: +354 1 694747 fax-no: +354 1 28801 e-mail: marius(a)rhi.hi.is *ITALY - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: GARR Network Information Service (IT-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Antonio_Blasco Bonito address: c/o CNUCE Istituto del CNR address: Via Santa Maria, 36 address: I-56126 Pisa country: Italy (it) phone: +39 50 593360 fax-no: +39 50 904052 e-mail: info(a)nis.garr.it *LUXEMBOURG - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: EUnet LU status: Provider person: Jacques Kirsch address: CRP-CU address: 162a, Avenue De La Faiencerie country: L- 1511 Luxemburg (lu) phone: +352 47 02 61 fax-no: +352 47 02 64 e-mail: kirsch(a)stein.crpcu.lu *SLOVENIA - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: MARNET SI status: Provider person: Oliver Popov address: Ministry of Science of Macedonia (MARNET Committee) address: Bihacka 8 address: 91000, Skopje country: Macedonia (mk) phone: +38 91 238610 fax-no: +38 91 235573 e-mail: pmfoliver%nubsk(a)uni-lj.si *NEDERLANDS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: NLnet status: Provider person: Martijn Roos-Lindgreen address: Kruislaan 413 address: NL-1098 SJ Amsterdam country: The Netherlands (nl) phone: +31 20 5924245 fax-no: +31 20 5924199 e-mail: martijn(a)nluug.nl org: PHILIPS status: Provider person: Osman Khan address: Philips Components SERI address: Building BC136 address: NL-5600 MD Eindhoven country: The Netherlands (nl) phone: +31 40 723802 e-mail: khan(a)seri.philips.nl org: Unisource Business Networks (for EMPB) status: Provider person: Harold Rolfes address: PO Box 90934 address: NL-2509 LX The Hague country: The Netherlands (nl) phone: +31 70 371 1151 fax-no: +31 70 371 1338 e-mail: surf030(a)kub.nl org: SURFnet bv (NL-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Erik Jan-Bos address: P.O. Box 19035 address: NL - 3501 DA Utrecht country: The Netherlands (nl) phone: +31 30 310290 fax-no: +31 30 340903 e-mail: netmaster(a)surfnet.nl *NORWAY - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: EUnet Norway status: Provider person: Arne Asplem address: Forskningsparken address: Gaustadallen 21 address: N-0371 Oslo country: Norway (no) phone: +47-22-958327 fax-no: +47-22-604427 e-mail: aras(a)norway.eu.net org: TelePost Communication AS status: Provider person: Gunn Skogseth address: P.O.Box 335, Skoyen address: N-0212 Oslo country: Norway (no) phone: +47 22 73 37 00 fax-no: +47 22 73 37 10 e-mail: Gunn.Skogseth(a)telepost.telemax.no org: UNINETT (NO) status: Provider person: Havard Eidnes address: SINTEF Runit address: N-7034 Trondheim country: Norway (no) phone: +47 73 59 44 68 fax-no: +47 73 94 17 00 e-mail: Havard.Eidnes(a)runit.sintef.no org: UNINETT (NO-NIC) status: Non-Service Provider person: Havard Eidnes address: SINTEF Runit address: N-7034 Trondheim country: Norway (no) phone: +47 73 59 44 68 fax-no: +47 73 59 17 00 e-mail: Havard.Eidnes(a)runit.sintef.no *POLAND - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - org: EUnet PL status: Provider person: Michael Bielicki address: PL-net sp. z o.o. (Ltd) address: c/o FPE, ul. 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Re: A Question
by Daniel Karrenberg 03 Nov '93

03 Nov '93

Jack, sorry about that late reply. First I have been away and then swamped. The answer has been a little longer than expected. Thus I CC it to the relevant RIPE working groups too fort their information. Daniel > Haven't mailed for awhile. I hope everything is going well over the > pond. I was wondering if you could fill me in on a little RIPE > philosophy. Tall order. :-) If we keep it down to specifics ... > Right now, its my understanding that authorized users can > automatically update the ripe database. If that is correct, how do you > make sure that what the authorized user is telling you is the correct > information. The original RIPE DB authorisation scheme: "No authorisation but *very* good audit trails." Anyone can change anything in the database but it will be logged. True, if you are mailicious and really determined you can do things and we will not be able to trace you far. But we will know what was done when and from where and we will be able to take appropriate action. We have decided to cross that particular bridge when we get to it. Together with a very quick response to queries about update problems this has worked rather well. After three years of experience with now 38,000 objects in the database and just under 1000 updates on an average working day I can not recall more than about a dozen incidents of unintentional changes being made by third parties. All of those have been resolved rather quickly and none has been intentional or malicious. Since we are now starting to do routing registry functions which are critical to operations we are starting to introduce some authorisation for the routing policy elements in the database. Some objects will not be changeable at all but by an authorised guardian. Currently these are some deprecated objects nad the autonomous system and community objects. Additionally some attributes will be guarded. The most important is the "aut-sys" attribute of the network object which defines membership of a network in an AS. These attribute will not be updated or updatable via the normal method but via a totally separate authorised method by the guardians of the respective autonomous system. The authorisation method for this will be Unix login security in most cases. You can read more about all this in ripe-81 ripe-96 ripe-89 ripe-72 and others. > An example: > > Say I'm a mean guy and I want to register a net that I do not own, and > is currently not in the RIPE database, to myself before my competitor > has registered it. How do you make sure that I'm allowed to register > this new net in the database? We do not. But we keep track of registry assignments separately from the database. If someone claims a network and has no assignment from the appropriate registry (either the NCC or a local registry) then he looses. > The only way I can check this today is > to see if the internic has given the net out and if it is registered > to the apporpriate person sending in the database addition. Same thing here. > Now if I'm > a provider, I do not "own" this address so things get a little > confusing. Not at all. The registry has the obligation to keep a record of what they assigned separately from the database and to register networks in the RIPE database no less than 24h after assignment. So there will be a trace. Also a flag will be raised if such an assignment is made for a net already in the database. At the NCC we keep simple SCCS files (yes I am *that* old) for the register. Together with the database audit trail this is more than adequate to document who did what when. We also keep an archive of all registry mail messages and faxes (full-text indexed with WAIS). We also have a filing cabinet used for those old fashioned hardcopy requests. It is not too full yet so we can keep office supplies and other stuff in it as well. :-) If there is a conflict both the datbase audit trails and the register of the registry concerned will be examined. If there are conflicts the latter is most likely to be ruled authoritative. To date such a case still has to happen - apart from administrative snafus which *do* happen once in a while. Daniel

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