[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Who provides v6 uplink via tunnel ?
Hello, As none of our uplinks currently provides v6 support, I'm looking for some site that would be willing to route our /32 and tunnel it to some endpoint via v4. We're located in southern germany (Stuttgart). -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 15 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372
On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 07:53 +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
Hello,
As none of our uplinks currently provides v6 support, I'm looking for some site that would be willing to route our /32 and tunnel it to some endpoint via v4.
We're located in southern germany (Stuttgart).
I'd suggest you put this question to the ipv6-ops list: http://lists.cluenet.de/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-ops I'd also like to suggest that you peer up with: http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ And don't forget to read, understand and comply with: http://ip6.de.easynet.net/ipv6-minimum-peering.txt That said, there are a large number of German IPv6 GRT participants and it should not be a problem at all even getting *native* connectivity. The only issue for you is to be at an IX, but as you received a TLA that should not be an issue, if you are a not at an IX yet I would really start to question the IPv6 address request procedures... Greets, Jeroen
Hi, On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 12:01:58PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
if you are a not at an IX yet I would really start to question the IPv6 address request procedures...
I can't follow you here. The IPv6 allocation policies are not tied to technical infrastructure requirements, and that's a good thing - we *want* smaller ISPs to be able to get an IPv6 allocation, even if they can't reasonably warrant to connect to a major IX. Especially as upstream prices tend to be cheaper these days than just the access link to an IX, unless you happen to sit in the same city... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 71007 (66629) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 D- 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-234
On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 13:16 +0200, Gert Doering wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 12:01:58PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
if you are a not at an IX yet I would really start to question the IPv6 address request procedures...
I can't follow you here. The IPv6 allocation policies are not tied to technical infrastructure requirements, and that's a good thing - we *want* smaller ISPs to be able to get an IPv6 allocation, even if they can't reasonably warrant to connect to a major IX. Especially as upstream prices tend to be cheaper these days than just the access link to an IX, unless you happen to sit in the same city...
Usually, afaik, ISP's are already at an IX and also have their upstreams there and are mostly operating from a colo close to that IX, thus being at an IX also directly makes one have multiple upstreams and thus at least one of them having IPv6 connectivity available. Greets, Jeroen
Hi, On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 03:05:39PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
Usually, afaik, ISP's are already at an IX and also have their upstreams there and are mostly operating from a colo close to that IX, thus being at an IX also directly makes one have multiple upstreams and thus at least one of them having IPv6 connectivity available.
Interesting thought. This may be true for some smaller countries, but believe me, it's MORE expensive to get a line from "somewhere in Germany" to one of the major IXes than to get upstream from a number of big ISPs at wherever you are. (The ratio changes if you reach a given size, but for small bandwidths, say "below 20 Mbit/s.", going to an IX is just not financially attractive) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 71007 (66629) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 D- 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-234
Gert Doering schrieb:
This may be true for some smaller countries, but believe me, it's MORE expensive to get a line from "somewhere in Germany" to one of the major IXes than to get upstream from a number of big ISPs at wherever you are.
Except you do the (rather moronic) move seen at some places, get a non-redundant fibre across the whole country and collect peering and upstream at a major IX. If the fibre breaks you're doomed, but hey, it's cheap. A company I work for is currently announcing three RIPE-TLAs (one own, two on behalf of our customers), adding a fourth in short time. Not connected to any IX, although a rather major IX would be in 20km radius. And another company will start next week (hopefully), also not connected to an IX due to political issues. Bernhard
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 07:53:08AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
As none of our uplinks currently provides v6 support, I'm looking for some site that would be willing to route our /32 and tunnel it to some endpoint via v4.
If your aut-num is somewhat current, you're taking upstream from AS8472, AS13237, and AS20646 I know that two of them (AS8472, AS20646) do IPv6 for sure. Let me know if you need contacts. Celox (AS20646) might even be able to provide native. Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr@cluenet.de -- dr@IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0
Hi!
I know that two of them (AS8472, AS20646) do IPv6 for sure. Let me know if you need contacts. Celox (AS20646) might even be able to provide native.
AS20646 does, but we're receiving them over a redback SMS1800 device on our side which does not support IPv6. AS8472 did not provide when I asked them the last time (last summer). I'll ask again. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 15 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372
Hi, On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 01:53:55PM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
I know that two of them (AS8472, AS20646) do IPv6 for sure. Let me know if you need contacts. Celox (AS20646) might even be able to provide native.
AS20646 does, but we're receiving them over a redback SMS1800 device on our side which does not support IPv6.
OK, but you can still tunnel to them. Better than tunneling to someone else who's not your v4 upstream provider.
AS8472 did not provide when I asked them the last time (last summer). I'll ask again.
Well, it's not official and AFAIK pretty much a one-man show. If you ask your normal v4 channels they might not even know who it is. Still, they have at least one downlink customer (12853). :-) Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr@cluenet.de -- dr@IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0
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