RIPE NCC Makes Record Number of IPv6 Allocations
This announcement was posted on the RIPE NCC News & Announcements webpage yesterday: RIPE NCC Makes Record Number of IPv6 Allocations The months of October and November 2007 set new records for the number of IPv6 allocations made in a single month by the RIPE NCC. 24 allocations were made to RIPE NCC members in October, arecord immediately broken by the 31 allocations made in November. The previous peak was 19 allocations in a single month, which was achieved on three separate occasions in 2003, 2004 and 2007. This surge in demand for IPv6 address space follows recent changes in the IPv6 allocation policy, which made it easier to get IPv6 allocations. The increase also comes in the wake of the publication of the RIPE Community Resolution on IPv4 Depletion and Deployment of IPv6. This statement, released immediately after the RIPE 55 meeting in Amsterdam in October, urged all Internet industry stakeholders, including ISPs, governments and regulators, to take steps to foster the accelerating deployment of IPv6. The text of this resolution can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/news/community-statement.html The deployment of IPv6 across the Internet has been a subject of growing global interest, particularly as it relates to the diminishing pool of free IPv4 address space, and the impact that this will have on the ongoing growth and future stability of the Internet. For more information on this, please send an email to <ncc@ripe.net>. Best regards, Alex Le Heux Policy Implementation and Coordination, RIPE NCC
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alex Le Heux wrote:
This announcement was posted on the RIPE NCC News & Announcements webpage yesterday:
RIPE NCC Makes Record Number of IPv6 Allocations
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The deployment of IPv6 across the Internet has been a subject of growing global interest, particularly as it relates to the diminishing pool of free IPv4 address space, and the impact that this will have on the ongoing growth and future stability of the Internet.
A Nobel prize winner recently gave a speech about IPv6: - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Years from now, the next generation will ask of us one of two questions. As they survey our actions, and our inactions they will either ask: What were you thinking? Why were you deaf, dumb and blind to the consequences of what was being done to the truth, of what was unfolding? Or they will ask a question, that I prefer them to ask and I truly believe they will ask. I want them to look back on 2007, at the beginning of this century, and ask about us: How did they find the moral courage to rise and face the crisis so many said was impossible to solve? How did they find the ability to raise their level of consciousness about the truth that was confronting our world? How did they find the courage to act? - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know, I know, that speech was *not* about IPv6. I admit I just really like the phrase "moral courage", and was looking for an excuse to quote it. Still, there are similarities: the non-adoption of IPv6 is nobody's fault, nobody has the power to do anything about it, the world will suck if nothing is done, and nobody in business really cares because it doesn't create profit. - -- Shane -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYW1tMsfZxBO4kbQRAlv8AKCL2rgdC7V+kvahsNOgeSRIPux2OACdHxXN JOXSleVBRyO3E+Pob5XGDms= =+GAn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Receiving the address space is one thing, using it is another. In other words in the case of IPv6 to date allocation has not necessarily meant implementation. It will be more interesting when all of the IPv6 allocated to date is actually put in use. I note that this is true in all of the regions. Ray
-----Original Message----- From: ipv6-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ipv6-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Shane Kerr Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:36 PM To: Alex Le Heux Cc: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] RIPE NCC Makes Record Number of IPv6 Allocations
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Alex Le Heux wrote:
This announcement was posted on the RIPE NCC News & Announcements webpage yesterday:
RIPE NCC Makes Record Number of IPv6 Allocations
<snip>
The deployment of IPv6 across the Internet has been a subject of growing global interest, particularly as it relates to the diminishing pool of free IPv4 address space, and the impact that this will have on the ongoing growth and future stability of the Internet.
A Nobel prize winner recently gave a speech about IPv6:
- --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Years from now, the next generation will ask of us one of two questions. As they survey our actions, and our inactions they will either ask: What were you thinking? Why were you deaf, dumb and blind to the consequences of what was being done to the truth, of what was unfolding? Or they will ask a question, that I prefer them to ask and I truly believe they will ask. I want them to look back on 2007, at the beginning of this century, and ask about us: How did they find the moral courage to rise and face the crisis so many said was impossible to solve? How did they find the ability to raise their level of consciousness about the truth that was confronting our world? How did they find the courage to act? - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------
I know, I know, that speech was *not* about IPv6. I admit I just really like the phrase "moral courage", and was looking for an excuse to quote it. Still, there are similarities: the non-adoption of IPv6 is nobody's fault, nobody has the power to do anything about it, the world will suck if nothing is done, and nobody in business really cares because it doesn't create profit.
- -- Shane -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
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On 13 Dec, Ray Plzak wrote: | Receiving the address space is one thing, using it is another. In other words in the case of IPv6 to date allocation has not necessarily meant implementation. It will be more interesting when all of the IPv6 allocated to date is actually put in use. I note that this is true in all of the regions. | ==> So here's a proposal: <Provocation> What if RIRs monthly published on their websites and mailing-lists the TOP 10 of LIRs/Customers who received an allocation and haven't used it for ages? Would that be a further incentive to eventually start deployment? ;-) </Provocation> Mohsen. | Ray
Mohsen Souissi wrote:
On 13 Dec, Ray Plzak wrote: | Receiving the address space is one thing, using it is another. In other words in the case of IPv6 to date allocation has not necessarily meant implementation. It will be more interesting when all of the IPv6 allocated to date is actually put in use. I note that this is true in all of the regions. |
==> So here's a proposal:
<Provocation> What if RIRs monthly published on their websites and mailing-lists the TOP 10 of LIRs/Customers who received an allocation and haven't used it for ages? Would that be a further incentive to eventually start deployment? ;-) </Provocation>
That is already available for a long long time, just check GRH. (http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/dfp/ etc etc) BUT always note, presence in BGP doesn't mean that it is actually being announced by the owning ISP and it doesn't tell either if behind that route announcement there actually is anything at all that is even remotely usable... I rather see an announcement like that from the folks from free.fr who simply get a prefix*1, turned it on with working global*2 transit by getting the transit from a good transit party, then simply pushing an update to their CPE's and presto, native IPv6 for all their customers who have IPv6 enabled on their hosts. Greets, Jeroen -- *1 = they seem to also have a 'test' prefix which is an IX prefix. *2 = There are of course people who don't update their filters and that is why their block which falls under 2a01::/16 is getting filtered by some. Reminder folks: When you have filters, you have to actually maintain them...
On 14 Dec, Jeroen Massar wrote: | Mohsen Souissi wrote: | > On 13 Dec, Ray Plzak wrote: | > | Receiving the address space is one thing, using it is another. In other words in the case of IPv6 to date allocation has not necessarily meant implementation. It will be more interesting when all of the IPv6 allocated to date is actually put in use. I note that this is true in all of the regions. | > | | > | > ==> So here's a proposal: | > | > <Provocation> | > What if RIRs monthly published on their websites and | > mailing-lists the TOP 10 of LIRs/Customers who received an allocation | > and haven't used it for ages? Would that be a further incentive to | > eventually start deployment? ;-) | > </Provocation> | | That is already available for a long long time, just check GRH. | (http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/dfp/ etc etc) ==> Yes, I know your site, it is very useful btw, but you are not an RIR ;-) | BUT always note, presence in BGP doesn't mean that it is actually being | announced by the owning ISP and it doesn't tell either if behind that | route announcement there actually is anything at all that is even | remotely usable... ==> Thta's why I talked about "deployment" in my provocation above. | I rather see an announcement like that from the folks from free.fr who | simply get a prefix*1, turned it on with working global*2 transit by | getting the transit from a good transit party, then simply pushing an | update to their CPE's and presto, native IPv6 for all their customers | who have IPv6 enabled on their hosts. ==> Yes, it is among the largest ADSL ISPs in France and it has turned on a special "6to4" yesterday (called "6to4rd", an old proposal of "Rémy Désprès" at IETF and which he proposed to Free and they accepted to assign /64s out of its /32, the right-most bits beeing those of the fixed public IPv4 address of the subscriber)... and that explains what you see ;-) Cheers, Mohsen. | | Greets, | Jeroen | | -- | | *1 = they seem to also have a 'test' prefix which is an IX prefix. | *2 = There are of course people who don't update their filters and that | is why their block which falls under 2a01::/16 is getting filtered by some. | | Reminder folks: When you have filters, you have to actually maintain them...
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:00:17 +0100, Mohsen Souissi wrote
On 13 Dec, Ray Plzak wrote: | Receiving the address space is one thing, using it is another. In other words in the case of IPv6 to date allocation has not necessarily meant implementation. It will be more interesting when all of the IPv6 allocated to date is actually put in use. I note that this is true in all of the regions. |
==> So here's a proposal:
<Provocation> What if RIRs monthly published on their websites and mailing-lists the TOP 10 of LIRs/Customers who received an allocation and haven't used it for ages? Would that be a further incentive to eventually start deployment? ;-) </Provocation>
We generate daily report for AFRINIC region which is weekly published on afnog@afnog.org and afripv6-discuss@afrinic.net. http://airrs.afrinic.net/bgp/reports6.html/bgp.reports.2007-12-13-2001-4200.... It seems to not create the incentive :-) Some of the allocations have even been not used for 12 months in violation of the policy. --alain
Hi, On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:00:17PM +0100, Mohsen Souissi wrote:
<Provocation> What if RIRs monthly published on their websites and mailing-lists the TOP 10 of LIRs/Customers who received an allocation and haven't used it for ages? Would that be a further incentive to eventually start deployment? ;-) </Provocation>
It might further deployment - but it might cause people to avoid getting an IPv6 allocation at all, if they know that it will take them a while to get it all up and running. Working with publich *shame* is a bad idea - OTOH, putting up a Top10 list of prefixes that have been stable for months, and that actually have services inside, would be nice for those ISPs... if it could be done in a reasonable way, which it can't. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 110584 SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Working with publich *shame* is a bad idea - OTOH, putting up a Top10 list of prefixes that have been stable for months, and that actually have services inside, would be nice for those ISPs... if it could be done in a reasonable way, which it can't.
Yes, public shame is a bad idea that will backfire anyway. However, in 2009 and 2010, companies that have not deployed enough IPv6 will be in crisis because they will begin to lose new orders due to a lack of IPv4 addresses to connect those new customers. This will trigger a wave of takeovers as companies who are further ahead in IPv6 deployment are able to buy the weaker ones at bargain prices. In order to evaluate the strength/weakness of a company's IPv6 deployment, it seems to me that a better measure is the amount of traffic going through IPv6 public peering points and the amount of IPv6 encapsulated in IPv4 that travels though IPv4 peering points. Stability is not a very good measure and the existence of an IPv6 announcement doesn't tell you anything about whether or not the company is using the IPv6 connectivity. --Michael Dillon
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, michael.dillon@bt.com wrote:
Working with publich *shame* is a bad idea - OTOH, putting up a Top10 list of prefixes that have been stable for months, and that actually have services inside, would be nice for those ISPs... if it could be done in a reasonable way, which it can't.
Yes, public shame is a bad idea that will backfire anyway.
However, in 2009 and 2010, companies that have not deployed enough IPv6 will be in crisis because they will begin to lose new orders due to a lack of IPv4 addresses to connect those new customers. This will trigger a wave of takeovers as companies who are further ahead in IPv6 deployment are able to buy the weaker ones at bargain prices.
In order to evaluate the strength/weakness of a company's IPv6 deployment, it seems to me that a better measure is the amount of traffic going through IPv6 public peering points
AMS-IX reported some bad news in that field recently :-( see RIPE-55.
and the amount of IPv6 encapsulated in IPv4 that travels though IPv4 peering points.
Someone also mentioned some work on that aspect @ RIPE-55. Would like to see (live) data about that.
Stability is not a very good measure and the existence of an IPv6 announcement doesn't tell you anything about whether or not the company is using the IPv6 connectivity.
--Michael Dillon
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On 14 Dec 2007, at 11:15, <michael.dillon@bt.com> <michael.dillon@bt.com> wrote: [...]
In order to evaluate the strength/weakness of a company's IPv6 deployment, it seems to me that a better measure is the amount of traffic going through IPv6 public peering points
Please see: https://www.ams-ix.net/technical/stats/sflow_stats_ipv6.html That is native IPv6 based on the ethertype in sFlow samples.
and the amount of IPv6 encapsulated in IPv4 that travels though IPv4 peering points.
That would mean that we have to look into the frame content. Which is controversial as we might get on a slippery slope there. -- Arien
On 13 Dec 2007, at 22:00, Mohsen Souissi wrote:
What if RIRs monthly published on their websites and mailing-lists the TOP 10 of LIRs/Customers who received an allocation and haven't used it for ages? Would that be a further incentive to eventually start deployment? ;-)
Heh, how do you define use/deploy ? Addresses I use, don't need to show up in your routing table in order for the space to be useful to me. I got some shiny new v6 space earlier this year, and think it will be a year or so before I am publicly running services on it, because there's a lot of things that don't work now that I have to make work before I can expose v6 service to customers. But at least I'm taking steps to make it work, there are a lot more people out there who are aren't even at that stage. Publishing my name on a web page as someone who hasn't "used" it according to some definition, wont make me work any faster, it will just make me cross. Best wishes Andy
Thus wrote Mohsen Souissi (mohsen.souissi@nic.fr):
<Provocation> What if RIRs monthly published on their websites and mailing-lists the TOP 10 of LIRs/Customers who received an allocation and haven't used it for ages? Would that be a further incentive to eventually start deployment? ;-) </Provocation>
Those people that would most need to be slapped upside the head with a large trout regarding deploying IPv6 (or keeping it deployed) wouldn't know what a RIR was if it bit them. Not implying that RIRs bite, here :) regards, spz -- spz@serpens.de (S.P.Zeidler)
The main issue is I guess content, and services. What initial gains does a service provider, or an end-user have in switching? Since the protocol is not backward compatible. I guess motivation is not exactly spelled. -"Hey guys let's just sit back and play a bit of nethack, until everyone else joins our new shiny internet" There is also a point in keeping policy straight-forward, and simple to understand. Since time is getting more and more of the essence. Seems like these words are stated, again and again with nothing good coming out in the end. Maybe someone should compile a list of IPv6 cliches? :-) best regards. --Dennis Lundström Adamo Europe S.L On 14 dec 2007, at 17.00, S.P.Zeidler wrote:
Thus wrote Mohsen Souissi (mohsen.souissi@nic.fr):
<Provocation> What if RIRs monthly published on their websites and mailing-lists the TOP 10 of LIRs/Customers who received an allocation and haven't used it for ages? Would that be a further incentive to eventually start deployment? ;-) </Provocation>
Those people that would most need to be slapped upside the head with a large trout regarding deploying IPv6 (or keeping it deployed) wouldn't know what a RIR was if it bit them. Not implying that RIRs bite, here :)
regards, spz -- spz@serpens.de (S.P.Zeidler)
Dennis Lundstrom wrote:
Seems like these words are stated, again and again with nothing good coming out in the end. Maybe someone should compile a list of IPv6 cliches? :-)
IPv6 cliches (and myths)? That too has happened again and again without much result. :-) My modest contribution was back in January 2003 (http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2003-01/Waiting.html) - and like the others it really didn't have much impact in terms of adjusting the IPv6 message to something that stripped out the hype and tried to just look at the facts. Geoff
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Ray Plzak wrote:
Receiving the address space is one thing, using it is another. (...)
Ray
Yes, but you can't also use something you don't have. :-) Step 2 (using) is happenning really slow, and Step 1 (receiving) is unfortunately very near Step 2's growth rate. :-( There are *still* some gaps in the policies on how one gets address space, which is imho keeping away some people/companies. The "implicit" hurdle for transit providers to get their own address space (by setting a N-customers rule...) was probably one of the strongest victories of "we should stick with v4 forever"-advocates. And btw, i don't feel that group of people has got smaller. :-( Best Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos Friac,as See: Wide Area Network Working Group (WAN) www.gigapix.pt FCCN - Fundacao para a Computacao Cientifica Nacional www.ipv6.eu Av. do Brasil, n.101 www.6diss.org 1700-066 Lisboa, Portugal, Europe www.geant2.net Tel: +351 218440100 Fax: +351 218472167 www.fccn.pt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The end is near........ see http://ipv4.potaroo.net "Internet is just routes (241744/992), naming (billions) and... people!" Esta mensagem foi enviada de 2001:690:2080:8004:250:daff:fe3b:2830 Aviso de Confidencialidade Esta mensagem e' exclusivamente destinada ao seu destinatario, podendo conter informacao CONFIDENCIAL, cuja divulgacao esta' expressamente vedada nos termos da lei. Caso tenha recepcionado indevidamente esta mensagem, solicitamos-lhe que nos comunique esse mesmo facto por esta via ou para o telefone +351 218440100 devendo apagar o seu conteudo de imediato. Warning This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. It may contain CONFIDENTIAL information protected by law. If this message has been received by error, please notify us via e-mail or by telephone +351 218440100 and delete it immediately.
and nobody in business really cares because it doesn't create profit.
Engineers have been repeating this false mantra for years and the result is that management has decided that investing in IPv6 is a low priority. The fact is that IPv6 does create profit because when IPv4 addresses run out, no new network connections can be added using IPv4. Companies that have IPv6 as an alternative will continue to be able to grow their network and create profit. Smart people have managed to retrofit IPv4 with just about all the benefits designed into IPv6, but they have not been able to retrofit the huge address space. For that you really need to deploy IPv6, and more importantly, you need to put extreme pressure on all your vendors for IPv6 implementation. Those vendors who have not already deployed IPv6 in firewalls and Operational Support Systems have failed their customers. With vendors like that, the best strategy is to put extreme pressure on the vendors to fix their shortcomings while at the same time, evaluating the products of vendors who have addresses the need for IPv6 support. There is still time to avoid being swallowed up in the crisis of 2009-2010 but it requires multi-pronged action today! --Michael Dillon
participants (14)
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Alain Patrick AINA -
Alex Le Heux -
Andy Davidson -
Arien Vijn -
Carlos Friacas -
Dennis Lundstrom -
Geoff Huston -
Gert Doering -
Jeroen Massar -
michael.dillon＠bt.com -
Mohsen Souissi -
Ray Plzak -
S.P.Zeidler -
Shane Kerr