Gert, I agree, ONE DAY setting up IPv6 only services MUST be possible. However, I do not think that we can apply this assumption today. Most probably not in the next two years to come. The question here is how to enable the transition period for most of the ISPs as soon as possible, without creating too big mess. If you end up with a heavily scattered address space, then the IPv6 transition is killed before it has been completed. Everybody will have addresses, just the routing will be missing. I do not know how to solve all aspects of this problem, but keeping the number of IPv6 LIRs under control is a MUST, I think. Best, Geza Gert Doering <gert@space.net> dátum: 2002.02.08 14:46:46 Címzett: Turchányi Géza/PKI/HTC2@HTC2 Másolat: "Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet" <woeber@cc.univie.ac.at>, denesh@cyberstrider.net, global-v6@lists.apnic.net, ipv6-wg@ripe.net Tárgy: [GLOBAL-V6] Re: Válasz: [GLOBAL-V6] RE: How to reduce the junk applications? Hi, On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 02:17:29PM +0100, turchanyi.geza@ln.matav.hu wrote:

1, I do not think that it is possible to create a brand new ISP without IPv4 experience, therefore my suggestion is not a restriction for a real ISP, just for the virtual ones.

It MUST be possible if we want IPv6 to be a success. It's to be assumed that the employees of this company will have IPv4 experience (of course), but that doesn't mean the company has a track record of "having been IPv4 LIR for xx years".

2, It is not mandatory to create a LIR In order to provide an IP service. An other LIR can provide a service for you.

But for those cases, this whole discussion does not apply. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 71770 (72395) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 - - This list (global-v6) is handled by majordomo@lists.apnic.net