Wilfried and Denesh, My I have two points? 1, I do not think that it is possible to create a brand new ISP without IPv4 experience, therefore my suggestion is not a restriction for a real ISP, just for the virtual ones. 2, It is not mandatory to create a LIR In order to provide an IP service. An other LIR can provide a service for you. Cheers, Geza P.S. BTW, do you know any CERT service for IPv6? There will be many, many things that should be worked out before there will be real IPv6 service in life. We might need a two years very hactic transition period. "Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet" <woeber@cc.univie.ac.at> dátum: 2002.02.07 19:50:20 Címzett: global-v6@lists.apnic.net Másolat: woeber@cc.univie.ac.at (Vakmásolat: Turchányi Géza/PKI/HTC2) Tárgy: [GLOBAL-V6] RE: How to reduce the junk applications?

My proposal is simple: only such a LIR should get IPv6 addresses in 2002 and 2003 that already had experiences in IPv4 registration for at least two years.

Do you really want to propose to force "new kids on the block", intending to deploy IPv6 _from the beginning_, to spend money, human resources, etc. to build and operate a "disposable v4 network" for 2 years, in order to obtain IPv6 addresses?? How would they document the need for IPv*4* addresses when they intend to build an IPv*6* network?? I'm getting more and more puzzled by the amount of creativity people come up with, simply in order to make deployment of IPv6 *difficult*! Till now I thought that people have been working on IPv6 as a better alternative, and that everyone going for IPv6 would help the v4 address space to last longer. Looks like I was wrong. Well, honestly, I think we need a reality check break. Regards, Wilfried. Zu Tode gefuerchtet ist auch gestorben! (Apologies to the non-German-literate readers) - - This list (global-v6) is handled by majordomo@lists.apnic.net