Re: 0:0 .ARPA...summary...Re: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Action points from the RIPE 43 meeting
We need to have reverse delegation for the 3FFE space, under ip6.arpa, and this has to happen *now*, not "at some point far away to the future when 6bone has ceased to exist and everybody is living peacefully under the RIR's hoods".
To summarize... 3FFE was supposed to be "experimental" but now it appears people want to change that... IPv6 is supposed to use A6 DNS RRs but now people appear to want to change that... .INT was supposed to be used by IPv6 but now people are demanding putting load on .ARPA servers... ...and of course, no one wants to pay for any of these demands...and the cost of the changes is viewed as non-important... ...and to really sum it up...the claim is made that the U.S. is not needed, yet the demands are sent to the U.S.
Hi, On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:28:00PM -0600, Jim Fleming wrote:
We need to have reverse delegation for the 3FFE space, under ip6.arpa, and this has to happen *now*, not "at some point far away to the future when 6bone has ceased to exist and everybody is living peacefully under the RIR's hoods".
To summarize...
3FFE was supposed to be "experimental" but now it appears people want to change that...
No, but for the migration period, it will exist, and should coexist in a useful way with 2001.
IPv6 is supposed to use A6 DNS RRs but now people appear to want to change that...
A6 has been reclassified as experimental by the IETF after good consideration. Take this up with them.
.INT was supposed to be used by IPv6 but now people are demanding putting load on .ARPA servers...
This was a move that many people have problems understanding. Indeed.
...and of course, no one wants to pay for any of these demands...and the cost of the changes is viewed as non-important...
I haven't seen anybody claiming that e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa isn't happening due to fiscal problems. If that's the case, I'm convinced it can be solved. (Besides - there are no dedicated .ARPA servers. .ARPA is served by the root servers, while ip6.arpa is served by ICANN and the RIRs, which thus pay the cost for what they need)
...and to really sum it up...the claim is made that the U.S. is not needed, yet the demands are sent to the U.S.
The current technical situation being what it is, funding and requests are sent to the U.S. - but if the US government insists to mess with TLD operations (as you claim) it would be possible to move the stuff away from there. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 48540 (48282) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gert Doering" <gert@Space.Net> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: Re: 0:0 .ARPA...summary...Re: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Action points from the RIPE 43 meeting
.INT was supposed to be used by IPv6 but now people are demanding putting load on .ARPA servers...
This was a move that many people have problems understanding. Indeed.
What is the problem with continuing with that approach ? The ITU is right there, in Europe, somewhere, why can't they help ? As for other TLDs....some people seem to think that .EU will replace (absorb) a bunch of TLDs... ...it is not clear which TLDs would be removed...it seems better to be adding TLDs... 3:127 EU Jim Fleming 128-bit DNS is closer than you think... COM...DE...NET...ORG...INFO...BIZ...US...ONLINE http://ipv8.dyndns.tv http://ipv8.dyns.cx http://ipv8.no-ip.com http://ipv8.no-ip.biz http://ipv8.no-ip.info http://ipv8.myip.us http://ipv8.dyn.ee http://ipv8.community.net.au
Gert Doering wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:28:00PM -0600, Jim Fleming wrote:
We need to have reverse delegation for the 3FFE space, under ip6.arpa, and this has to happen *now*, not "at some point far away to the future when 6bone has ceased to exist and everybody is living peacefully under the RIR's hoods".
To summarize...
3FFE was supposed to be "experimental" but now it appears people want to change that...
No, but for the migration period, it will exist, and should coexist in a useful way with 2001.
[..snip] I strongly support Gert proposal: we really need the reverse delegation of the 6bone space under ip6.arpa. ....
away from there.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster
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On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 03:42:30PM +0200, Dimitrios Kalogeras wrote:
I strongly support Gert proposal: we really need the reverse delegation of the 6bone space under ip6.arpa. ....
Please yes. The sooner the better. I don't quite understand the reasons for any further delay. Tim
On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Jim Fleming wrote:
We need to have reverse delegation for the 3FFE space, under ip6.arpa, and this has to happen *now*, not "at some point far away to the future when 6bone has ceased to exist and everybody is living peacefully under the RIR's hoods".
To summarize...
3FFE was supposed to be "experimental" but now it appears people want to change that...
Where do you draw the line between "experimental" and "production" Cant a 3FFE::/16 host speak with a 2001::/16 host? or an IPv4 host? Is it forbidden?
IPv6 is supposed to use A6 DNS RRs but now people appear to want to change that...
Guess what? People worked on that issues and came up with a recomendation!
.INT was supposed to be used by IPv6 but now people are demanding putting load on .ARPA servers...
Its a negligible load.
...and of course, no one wants to pay for any of these demands...and the cost of the changes is viewed as non-important...
Well. Some people do want IPv6, some others dont.
...and to really sum it up...the claim is made that the U.S. is not needed, yet the demands are sent to the U.S.
If RIPE and APNIC can support the approval for Bill Manning's request, does the request status remain denied? ./Carlos "Networking is fun!" -------------- [http://www.ip6.fccn.pt] http://www.fccn.pt <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, CMF8-RIPE, CF596-ARIN, Wide Area Network Workgroup F.C.C.N. - Fundacao para a Computacao Cientifica Nacional fax: +351 218472167
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Carlos Friacas -
Dimitrios Kalogeras -
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Tim Chown