Few questions about IPv6
Hello All , I have few question about IPv6 and maybe someone can explain this. Sorry if those information can be found on RIPE page or I'm sending it to wrong mailing list, I'm not able to find it. 1. Do I have to be a LIR to request /32 subnet from RIPE, can be it done by another LIR which will request subnet for me (as its customer)? 2. Do I have to be a LIR to request AS number from RIPE, can be it done by another LIR which will request AS number for me (as its customer)? Thanks in advance. -- Marcin Gondek / Drixter e-utp.net NIP: PL1181589645 REGON: 140584662 Tel. +48602159929 Fax. +48222012418 <mailto:office@e-utp.net> office@e-utp.net <http://www.e-utp.net> http://www.e-utp.net
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 10:58:52PM +0100, Marcin Gondek wrote: | 1. Do I have to be a LIR to request /32 subnet from RIPE, can be it | done by another LIR which will request subnet for me (as its customer)? You have to be an LIR to request an IPv6 allocation from RIPE NCC. | 2. Do I have to be a LIR to request AS number from RIPE, can be it | done by another LIR which will request AS number for me (as its customer)? You can ask another LIR to request an AS number from RIPE NCC. -- ---------- - - - - -+- - - - - ---------- Pim van Pelt Email: pim@ipng.nl http://www.ipng.nl/ IPv6 Deployment -----------------------------------------------
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 10:58:52PM +0100, Marcin Gondek wrote: | 1. Do I have to be a LIR to request /32 subnet from RIPE, can be it | done by another LIR which will request subnet for me (as its customer)? You have to be an LIR to request an IPv6 allocation from RIPE NCC.
To be sure, LIR can not request /32 subnet for it's customer, even If customer need and LIR agree for customer needs. It's not important for customer to get allocation directly from RIPE. It can be allocated from LIR but /32 is needed to be not filtered in BGP peers because theoretically smaller PI addresses in IPv6 world not exists in RIPE region.
| 2. Do I have to be a LIR to request AS number from RIPE, can be it | done by another LIR which will request AS number for me (as its customer)? You can ask another LIR to request an AS number from RIPE NCC.
Thanks. -- Marcin Gondek / Drixter e-utp.net NIP: PL1181589645 REGON: 140584662 Tel. +48602159929 Fax. +48222012418 office@e-utp.net http://www.e-utp.net
Pim van Pelt wrote:
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 10:58:52PM +0100, Marcin Gondek wrote: | 1. Do I have to be a LIR to request /32 subnet from RIPE, can be it | done by another LIR which will request subnet for me (as its customer)? You have to be an LIR to request an IPv6 allocation from RIPE NCC.
The more interesting question is if I am a LIR, can I ask other LIR to get /32 allocation for me? :) -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253@FIDO)
Hi, Max Tulyev schrieb:
Pim van Pelt wrote:
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 10:58:52PM +0100, Marcin Gondek wrote: | 1. Do I have to be a LIR to request /32 subnet from RIPE, can be it | done by another LIR which will request subnet for me (as its customer)? You have to be an LIR to request an IPv6 allocation from RIPE NCC.
The more interesting question is if I am a LIR, can I ask other LIR to get /32 allocation for me? :)
according to the current policy, no. That doesn't even work for IPv4. Only LIRs get Allocations ... End-Users get Assignments. And for now that's a good idea IMHO. -- ======================================================================== = Sascha Lenz SLZ-RIPE slz@baycix.de = = Network Operations = = BayCIX GmbH, Landshut * PGP public Key on demand * = ======================================================================== BayCIX GmbH * 84034 Landshut * Wagnergasse 8 Tel: +49 871 925360 * Fax: +49 871 9253629 eMail: technik@baycix.de GF: Thomas Zajac * HR B 4878 (Landshut)
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On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 10:58:52PM +0100, Marcin Gondek wrote: | 1. Do I have to be a LIR to request /32 subnet from RIPE, can be it | done by another LIR which will request subnet for me (as its customer)? You have to be an LIR to request an IPv6 allocation from RIPE NCC. The more interesting question is if I am a LIR, can I ask other LIR to get /32 allocation for me? :)
according to the current policy, no. That doesn't even work for IPv4.
Only LIRs get Allocations ... End-Users get Assignments. And for now that's a good idea IMHO.
I don't think the policy is that clear-cut. 5.3. LIR-to-ISP allocation There is no specific policy for an organisation (LIR) to allocate address space to subordinate ISPs. Each LIR organisation may develop its own policy for subordinate ISPs to encourage optimum utilisation of the total address block allocated to the LIR. However, all /48 assignments to End Sites are required to be registered either by the LIR or its subordinate ISPs in such a way that the RIR/NIR can properly evaluate the HD-Ratio when a subsequent allocation becomes necessary. http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-412.html#lir_to_isp This text seems to state that an LIR can decide how much is appropriate to sub-allocate to a downstream ISP. As such, an LIR with more than a /32 could decide to sub-allocate a /32 if they though that doing so would "encourage optimum utilisation of the total address block allocated to the LIR". Ultimately, it's the LIR's problem if they are convinced to sub- allocate a /32 and the downstream ISP makes very light use of the space. A prudent LIR would make sure the contract with their downstream was sufficiently rigourous in this area. Regards, Leo Vegoda
Hi, Marcin Gondek schrieb:
Hello All ,
I have few question about IPv6 and maybe someone can explain this.
Sorry if those information can be found on RIPE page or I’m sending it to wrong mailing list, I’m not able to find it.
1. Do I have to be a LIR to request /32 subnet from RIPE, can be it done by another LIR which will request subnet for me (as its customer)?
If you need a /32 ALLOCATION and want to do ASSIGNMENTS to downstream customers/3rd parties, you may need to become LIR yourself. If you really need a /32 ASSIGNMENT for yourself, not for any 3rd parties, you might try to talk to another LIR to hand in the request for you. But i doubt that you mean the latter :-)
2. Do I have to be a LIR to request AS number from RIPE, can be it done by another LIR which will request AS number for me (as its customer)?
You can ask any LIR to request an ASN for you. But you can't get it directly from RIPE without being a LIR (i.e. you need to hand in the request with help from an existing LIR, or become LIR yourself and talk directly to RIPE). Try reading http://www.ripe.net/info/faq/ in whole for some further clues in general. -- ======================================================================== = Sascha Lenz SLZ-RIPE slz@baycix.de = = Network Operations = = BayCIX GmbH, Landshut * PGP public Key on demand * = ========================================================================
Hi, On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 10:58:52PM +0100, Marcin Gondek wrote:
1. Do I have to be a LIR to request /32 subnet from RIPE, can be it done by another LIR which will request subnet for me (as its customer)?
You have to be a LIR. The /32 is for the LIR and its customers. It's not meant to be given to 3rd parties. (Of course that's possible, like in cases where the LIR is not the same entity as the ISP -- but that means that the LIR will not get another /32, unless it can document that the first /32 is full). There is no provider-independent IPv6 address space (as in "request it via a LIR, take it, go away") yet.
2. Do I have to be a LIR to request AS number from RIPE, can be it done by another LIR which will request AS number for me (as its customer)?
A LIR is needed, but ASes can be requested for third parties that fulfill the requirements in the policy documents (basically: "different routing policy"). Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 122119 SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi all,
There is no provider-independent IPv6 address space (as in "request it via a LIR, take it, go away") yet.
Yet? So there are plans to be available? -- Marcin Gondek / Drixter e-utp.net NIP: PL1181589645 REGON: 140584662 Tel. +48602159929 Fax. +48222012418 office@e-utp.net http://www.e-utp.net
Hi, On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 11:02:05AM +0100, Marcin Gondek wrote:
There is no provider-independent IPv6 address space (as in "request it via a LIR, take it, go away") yet. Yet? So there are plans to be available?
There is a policy proposal (2006-01) and ongoing discussion about it. If you're interested in the details and the discussion, please check the archives of the address-policy WG mailing list, available via http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/address-policy/ Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 122119 SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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