Website Launch: www.IPv6ActNow.org
[Apologies for duplicate emails.] Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC is pleased to announce the launch of the IPv6 Act Now! website. www.IPv6ActNow.org is a one stop website that explains IPv6 in terms that everyone can understand and provides a variety of useful information aimed at promoting the global adoption of IPv6. The site is for anyone with an interest in IPv6, including network engineers, company directors, law enforcement agencies, government representatives and civil society. The site content is regularly updated and includes: - Education, advice and opinions from the experts - Latest IPv6-related news stories - Videos and articles from Internet community leaders - Current IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6 uptake statistics - The RIPE community's statement on IPv6 deployment, including a list of organisations supporting this statement - Information on community-developed IPv6 distribution policies - Useful links to other sources of information about IPv6 - A forum for everyone to share experiences, ask questions and find answers The site also includes contributions from other Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) and industry partners. We invite you to take a look around the site. We hope that you find it useful. If you have and comments or suggestions about IPv6ActNow!, please contact us at <ipv6actnow@ripe.net>. Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communication RIPE NCC
On 20-May-2009, at 08:32, Paul Rendek wrote:
www.IPv6ActNow.org is a one stop website that explains IPv6 in terms that everyone can understand and provides a variety of useful information aimed at promoting the global adoption of IPv6.
That web page looks very nice and shiny, although I'm slightly bemused by the scrum of people on the right, and wonder whether the people at the front are enjoying themselves. Is the moral of that picture that early adopters can expect to get injured? :-) One question, though, directed at this list and not at the editors of that web page. The text on the front door talks about IPv6 being the successor to IPv4, and about it being time to move on. To me, there's an implication here that we're talking about a transition from IPv4 to IPv6, which (again, to me) implies that there's a vision of IPv6 being the overwhelmingly dominant protocol on the Internet with IPv4 marginalised (e.g.) like DECNET and IPX in 2009. Does anybody here expect this to happen in their lifetimes? Or do people imagine that IPv4 is so entrenched that it will never really go away, regardless of the growth in IPv6 deployment? Just curious, really. There's a slight operational base for the question, which is that a transition implies IPv6-only nodes, whereas an entrenched IPv4 Internet means we'll be dual-stack for ever. Joe
To me, there's an implication here that we're talking about a transition from IPv4 to IPv6, which (again, to me) implies that there's a vision of IPv6 being the overwhelmingly dominant protocol on the Internet with IPv4 marginalised (e.g.) like DECNET and IPX in 2009.
Does anybody here expect this to happen in their lifetimes?
Yes. I used to think that this would take 10 years, but now I believe that it could happen faster because the transition from IPv4 to IPv6 is so much easier than IPX or DECNET to IP.
Or do people imagine that IPv4 is so entrenched that it will never really go away, regardless of the growth in IPv6 deployment?
I also believe this although it doesn't matter for the Internet anymore than all those devices currently working through I2C or RS232 to Ethernet proxies.
Just curious, really. There's a slight operational base for the question, which is that a transition implies IPv6-only nodes, whereas an entrenched IPv4 Internet means we'll be dual-stack for ever.
In a datacenter I expect that folks are already deploying IPv6-only servers. But then datacenters already hide behind a forest of load-balancers, caching proxies and so on. One size does not fit all. --Michael Dillon
Joe Abley wrote: [..]
One question, though, directed at this list and not at the editors of that web page. The text on the front door talks about IPv6 being the successor to IPv4, and about it being time to move on.
To me, there's an implication here that we're talking about a transition from IPv4 to IPv6, which (again, to me) implies that there's a vision of IPv6 being the overwhelmingly dominant protocol on the Internet with IPv4 marginalised (e.g.) like DECNET and IPX in 2009.
Does anybody here expect this to happen in their lifetimes?
I hope that I survive it, there are a couple of young ones on this list ;)
Or do people imagine that IPv4 is so entrenched that it will never really go away, regardless of the growth in IPv6 deployment?
Most likely it will take at least another 20 years, but then IPv6 will be 'more' than IPv4 in terms of usage. Which is my very big guess ;) I don't think that IPv4 will fully be 'gone' though, just like I still know networks which use IPX and even at least one which uses DECNET (which you will btw sometimes also find when doing wiresharks ;) Greets, Jeroen
-----Original Message----- From: ipv6-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ipv6-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Jeroen Massar Sent: woensdag 20 mei 2009 15:38 To: Joe Abley Cc: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Website Launch: www.IPv6ActNow.org Joe Abley wrote: [..]
One question, though, directed at this list and not at the editors of that web page. The text on the front door talks about IPv6 being the successor to IPv4, and about it being time to move on.
To me, there's an implication here that we're talking about a transition from IPv4 to IPv6, which (again, to me) implies that there's a vision of IPv6 being the overwhelmingly dominant protocol on the Internet with IPv4 marginalised (e.g.) like DECNET and IPX in 2009.
Does anybody here expect this to happen in their lifetimes?
I hope that I survive it, there are a couple of young ones on this list ;)
Or do people imagine that IPv4 is so entrenched that it will never really go away, regardless of the growth in IPv6 deployment?
Most likely it will take at least another 20 years, but then IPv6 will be 'more' than IPv4 in terms of usage. Which is my very big guess ;) I don't think that IPv4 will fully be 'gone' though, just like I still know networks which use IPX and even at least one which uses DECNET (which you will btw sometimes also find when doing wiresharks ;) Greets, Jeroen I don't think IPv4 will really go away. But is there an IPv6 range for internal use only? We would need something like that or we will keep using IPv4 for our internal network. Regard, Mark Scholten
On 20/05/2009 8:33, "Stream Service" <info@streamservice.nl> wrote: [...]
I don't think IPv4 will really go away. But is there an IPv6 range for internal use only? We would need something like that or we will keep using IPv4 for our internal network.
See http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4193.txt It reserves FC00::/7 for local unicast. Regards, Leo
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 09:07 -0700, Leo Vegoda wrote:
On 20/05/2009 8:33, "Stream Service" <info@streamservice.nl> wrote:
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I don't think IPv4 will really go away. But is there an IPv6 range for internal use only? We would need something like that or we will keep using IPv4 for our internal network.
See http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4193.txt
It reserves FC00::/7 for local unicast.
This works. Also, an IPv6 range for internal use is one you don't route. No need to get fancy. So one can use a /64 in the /48 you get from your provider for that purpose. Or you can use a /64 from the /48 in your 2002::/16 address for that purpose. -- Shane
Hello Shane, We just get 1 PA range from our network supplier. So we don't decide what to route and what not to route... With kind regards and thank for all answers, Mark Scholten -----Original Message----- From: ipv6-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ipv6-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Shane Kerr Sent: woensdag 20 mei 2009 20:18 To: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Website Launch: www.IPv6ActNow.org On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 09:07 -0700, Leo Vegoda wrote:
On 20/05/2009 8:33, "Stream Service" <info@streamservice.nl> wrote:
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I don't think IPv4 will really go away. But is there an IPv6 range for internal use only? We would need something like that or we will keep using IPv4 for our internal network.
See http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4193.txt
It reserves FC00::/7 for local unicast.
This works. Also, an IPv6 range for internal use is one you don't route. No need to get fancy. So one can use a /64 in the /48 you get from your provider for that purpose. Or you can use a /64 from the /48 in your 2002::/16 address for that purpose. -- Shane
Stream Service wrote:
Hello Shane,
We just get 1 PA range from our network supplier. So we don't decide what to route and what not to route...
ip -6 ro add 2001:db8:10c4:l000::/64 dev lo (Or equivalent on your network gear) et presto And otherwise, ever heard of those devices called Firewalls? Greets, Jeroen (and don't come with "yeah but if we make a mistake it is routable" because if you make a mistake you will also leak that other prefix. Next to that, you can also just use 2002:RFC:1918::/48 if you really want to keep to those clashing prefixes of RFC1918. And as others mentioned ULA, which is the other correct solution, but might not be 100% globally unique, especially if people don't use the formula)
On 20/5/09 16:33, Stream Service wrote:
I don't think IPv4 will really go away. But is there an IPv6 range for internal use only? We would need something like that or we will keep using IPv4 for our internal network.
If you really feel you need it. https://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ula/
Regard, Mark Scholten
Hi, On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 09:14:46AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
Does anybody here expect this to happen in their lifetimes?
Or do people imagine that IPv4 is so entrenched that it will never really go away, regardless of the growth in IPv6 deployment?
I personally hope that I can start to turn off IPv4 in the first corners of our network in a few years. Overall, I expect that IPv4 will be with us for 20+ years to come... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 128645 SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 09:14 -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
To me, there's an implication here that we're talking about a transition from IPv4 to IPv6, which (again, to me) implies that there's a vision of IPv6 being the overwhelmingly dominant protocol on the Internet with IPv4 marginalised (e.g.) like DECNET and IPX in 2009.
Does anybody here expect this to happen in their lifetimes?
I do. At some point IPv6 connectivity will be ubiquitous enough so that someone can put content on the web in IPv6 and not care about the IPv4 folks who can't get to it. Sure, at first it will be university students putting up pictures of their cats for their friends (damn that 10k photo limit on Facebook!). But eventually it will move on to people hosting message boards talking about Star Trek XLIX: the Never-Ending Franchise, and at some point only people determined to make their web page render in lynx will care about IPv4.
Just curious, really. There's a slight operational base for the question, which is that a transition implies IPv6-only nodes, whereas an entrenched IPv4 Internet means we'll be dual-stack for ever.
Here's a question: Do you know if you can use a rotary phone on your land-line at home(*)? I have no idea - in fact my phone line is only used for my DSL connection. Technology transitions do happen, even with millions of end user systems to upgrade. Like the phone systems of yesteryear, someone, somewhere will probably support IPv4 forever, but I doubt most of us will care about that sad person and their aging Amiga Unix systems. :) -- Shane (*) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIDw75mUl6c
Am 20.05.2009 um 14:32 schrieb Paul Rendek:
[Apologies for duplicate emails.]
Dear Colleagues,
The RIPE NCC is pleased to announce the launch of the IPv6 Act Now! website.
www.IPv6ActNow.org is a one stop website that explains IPv6 in terms that everyone can understand and provides a variety of useful information aimed at promoting the global adoption of IPv6.
hello Paul just saw that there is a ipv6now acount on twitter :-) http://twitter.com/ipv6now don´t forget to "follow" your followers , to ignore them is " bad twitter style" ;-) cheers http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/ P.S. who else is on twitter ? :-)
Regards,
Paul Rendek
Head of External Relations and Communication RIPE NCC
-- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey Vogelsangerstrasse 97 D - 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstrasse 97 Geo: 50.945554, 6.920293 PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months.
Hi, On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 08:17:44PM +0200, Marc Manthey wrote:
No IPv6 there... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 128645 SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
No IPv6 there...
twitter is a tool to publish information and urls to a "group" of interested people with 140 characters its web 2.0 nothing todo with ipv6, apple made an attemt to buy twitter for 700 million :-0 for example , Omaba who made it popular , has over a millione followers http://twitter.com/BarackObama you can find all big news sites and authors over there the alternative is http://identi.ca/ greetings from the new web http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/20/technology/kattan_gender.fortune/index.htm?s... marc -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey Vogelsangerstrasse 97 D - 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstrasse 97 Geo: 50.945554, 6.920293 PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months.
Am 26.05.2009 um 00:11 schrieb Sander Steffann:
Hi,
No IPv6 there...
twitter is a tool to publish information and urls to a "group" of interested people with 140 characters
I think we all know what Twitter is, but the link points to an empty page without any messages...
link was wrong http://twitter.com/RIPE_NCC regards Marc
- Sander
-- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey Vogelsangerstrasse 97 D - 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstrasse 97 Geo: 50.945554, 6.920293 PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months.
Hi, On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:46:00PM +0200, Marc Manthey wrote:
No IPv6 there...
twitter is a tool to publish information and urls to a "group" of interested people with 140 characters
its web 2.0 nothing todo with ipv6, apple made an attemt to buy twitter for 700 million :-0
The point is: why would I want to look at a web site to hear about IPv6 if that web site doesn't have IPv6 connectivity? Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 128645 SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Marc On 25 May 2009, at 19:17, Marc Manthey wrote:
hello Paul
just saw that there is a ipv6now acount on twitter :-)
don´t forget to "follow" your followers , to ignore them is " bad twitter style" ;-)
The Twitter account points to an Australian v6 tunneling ISP - http://www.ipv6now.com.au/ - which is probably not connected to the RIPE NCC or the RIPE community. Perhaps you should send your comments to them? info@ipv6now.com.au f
just saw that there is a ipv6now acount on twitter :-)
don´t forget to "follow" your followers , to ignore them is " bad twitter style" ;-)
The Twitter account points to an Australian v6 tunneling ISP - http://www.ipv6now.com.au/ - which is probably not connected to the RIPE NCC or the RIPE community.
Perhaps you should send your comments to them? info@ipv6now.com.au
hello Fearghas, all sorry for the noise, i saw that a bit too late :-) regards Marc -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey Vogelsangerstrasse 97 D - 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstrasse 97 Geo: 50.945554, 6.920293 PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months.
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Fearghas McKay -
Gert Doering -
Jeroen Massar -
Joe Abley -
Leo Vegoda -
Marc Manthey -
michael.dillon＠bt.com -
Paul Rendek -
Sander Steffann -
Shane Kerr -
Stream Service -
Vincent Hoffman