Hello, this is the first time I write in this mailing list. I have a question for you. I'm working for an ISP that obtained IPv4 (/22) and IPv6 (/29). I would like to use IPv6. Could you suggest me some documents and some manuals useful to implement IPv6, but avoiding problems for our customers? In particular, I would like to avoid compatibility problems with VoIP PBXs, network printers, alarm systems, etc ... In Italy only few ISPs provide IPv6 addresses and we would like to try to reverse this negative trend compared to the rest of Europe. I hope you can help me understanding the advantages and opportunities in investing in the direction of IPv6. Kind regards Alessandro Alessandro Valenza Ufficio TLC Tel: 0571 1738257 Fax: 0571542536 www.enegan.it CONFIDENZIALITÀ Questo messaggio, inclusi gli eventuali allegati, è indirizzato solo ai destinatari e può contenere informazioni riservate e confidenziali. Se avete ricevuto il messaggio senza esserne un destinatario, o un suo rappresentante autorizzato, la presente comunicazione vale come formale divieto di diffusione del contenuto del messaggio.Se avete ricevuto il messaggio per errore, siete pregati di cancellarlo, assieme a tutti gli allegati, dal vostro sistema e di informare immediatamente il mittente.
If you have enough IPv4 address space, the easiest way to do IPv6 is to go dual-stack (both IPv4 and IPv6 to every customer), and then work on the transition technologies. Here's my "Learn IPv6 before lunch" reading list: https://www.retevia.net/recommended-reading-on-ipv6/ Here's a high-level guide for ISPs: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6782/ You may want to think about this as if your goal is run an IPv6-only access network, with translation to IPv4 at the edges where necessary. Let customers run dual-stack inside the home; so if a customer has devices in their home (alarm systems, smart TVs) that require IPv4, the home gateway can translate from IPv4 to IPv6, and if the destination is IPv4-only, you have a translator in your data center or peering point translating from IPv6 to IPv4. Jordi like 464xlat, but I like MAP-T (or MAP-E). Dual-stack Lite is also an option. In all of those cases, the hardest part seems to be getting support in the CPE. Here's a very short description of each: https://www.retevia.net/what-we-offer/ My experience is that most of your time will be spent working on your provisioning, monitoring, and support systems. Equipment generally supports IPv6, and you'll just have to read the manuals to find the right commands. Lee On 3/11/19 12:41 PM, Alessandro Valenza wrote:
Hello,
this is the first time I write in this mailing list.
I have a question for you.
I’m working for an ISP that obtained IPv4 (/22) and IPv6 (/29). I would like to use IPv6. Could you suggest me some documents and some manuals useful to implement IPv6, but avoiding problems for our customers?
In particular, I would like to avoid compatibility problems with VoIP PBXs, network printers, alarm systems, etc ...
In Italy only few ISPs provide IPv6 addresses and we would like to try to reverse this negative trend compared to the rest of Europe.
I hope you can help me understanding the advantages and opportunities in investing in the direction of IPv6.
Kind regards
Alessandro
Alessandro Valenza Ufficio TLC
Tel: *0571 1738257* <tel:0571%201738257> Fax: *0571542536* <fax:0571542536>
*www.enegan.it* <https://www.enegan.it/>
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Hi Alessandro, I'm not an engineer, merely an IPv6 enthusiast, so take what I have to add with a grain of salt. I linked some resources below that you might fight useful, though, which shed light more on the "why" as opposed to "how." 1. The 2015 <http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/documents/best-practice-forums/creating-an-enabling-environment-for-the-development-of-local-content/581-igf2015-bpfipv6-finalpdf/file> and 2016 <https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/bpf-ipv6> IGF Best Practice Forum documents on IPv6 (packed with good references). 2. Jordi's 12 Steps to Enable IPv6 <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/jordipaletm/12-steps-to-enable-ipv6-in-an-isp-network> in an ISP Network 3. Some additional insights were provided by Andy Mindnich in his post "Deploying IPv6 at IBM <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/andy_mindnich/deploying-ipv6-at-ibm>." 4. The ARIN IPv6 wiki <https://getipv6.info/display/IPv6/IPv6+Info+Home> Please forgive if none of these are directly relevant to your query. Best, -Michael On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 5:41 PM Alessandro Valenza <a.valenza@enegan.it> wrote:
Hello,
this is the first time I write in this mailing list.
I have a question for you.
I’m working for an ISP that obtained IPv4 (/22) and IPv6 (/29). I would like to use IPv6. Could you suggest me some documents and some manuals useful to implement IPv6, but avoiding problems for our customers?
In particular, I would like to avoid compatibility problems with VoIP PBXs, network printers, alarm systems, etc ...
In Italy only few ISPs provide IPv6 addresses and we would like to try to reverse this negative trend compared to the rest of Europe.
I hope you can help me understanding the advantages and opportunities in investing in the direction of IPv6.
Kind regards
Alessandro
Alessandro Valenza Ufficio TLC Tel: *0571 1738257* <0571%201738257> Fax: *0571542536* *www.enegan.it* <https://www.enegan.it/> CONFIDENZIALITÀ Questo messaggio, inclusi gli eventuali allegati, è indirizzato solo ai destinatari e può contenere informazioni riservate e confidenziali. Se avete ricevuto il messaggio senza esserne un destinatario, o un suo rappresentante autorizzato, la presente comunicazione vale come formale divieto di diffusione del contenuto del messaggio.Se avete ricevuto il messaggio per errore, siete pregati di cancellarlo, assieme a tutti gli allegati, dal vostro sistema e di informare immediatamente il mittente.
For IPv6 CIDR addressing plans, take a look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing#IPv6_CIDR_block... Please keep in mind in IPv4 world, a lot of customers assume their current modem/router to apply some sort of protection by providing NAT to hide all their equipment and selective apply port-forwarding when nessecary. While IPv6 provides plenty of addresses and there is no need to deploy NAT, customers still want some sort of security. Most vendors provide a similar functionality to block-all and selective allow traffic to specific IPv6 addresses/ports at the modem/router. Please document and communicate these features properly for your helpdesk and customers. Alessandro Valenza wrote at 2019-03-11 17:41:
Hello,
this is the first time I write in this mailing list.
I have a question for you.
I'm working for an ISP that obtained IPv4 (/22) and IPv6 (/29). I would like to use IPv6. Could you suggest me some documents and some manuals useful to implement IPv6, but avoiding problems for our customers?
In particular, I would like to avoid compatibility problems with VoIP PBXs, network printers, alarm systems, etc ...
In Italy only few ISPs provide IPv6 addresses and we would like to try to reverse this negative trend compared to the rest of Europe.
I hope you can help me understanding the advantages and opportunities in investing in the direction of IPv6.
Kind regards
Alessandro
Alessandro Valenza
Ufficio TLC
Tel: 0571 1738257
Fax: 0571542536
WWW.ENEGAN.IT
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Alessandro, it doesn't sound like a case of "would like to use IPv6" but rather "have to use IPv6" . Apart from several RFCs already mentioned, there are pretty decent implementation guides available in all major vendors' sites. If you have no prior experience with IPv6, you need to invest some time for understanding/experimenting. Implementations in most (not all) network devices has matured and you should be able to avoid a lot of pitfalls by merely following BCP documents available (ARIN, APNIC, RIPE have published such documents). Also, look for presentations (RIPE, NANOG etc) from ISPs describing their efforts in transitioning towards IPv6, you should be able to find plenty... As a final note, it seems to me that you should be looking into "IPv6-only with IPv4aaS". As already mentioned, and depending on your service offerings, MAP-(E/T), LW4o6, DSlite and 464XLAT are all viable options cheers, Yannis On 3/11/19 6:41 PM, Alessandro Valenza wrote:
Hello,
this is the first time I write in this mailing list.
I have a question for you.
I’m working for an ISP that obtained IPv4 (/22) and IPv6 (/29). I would like to use IPv6. Could you suggest me some documents and some manuals useful to implement IPv6, but avoiding problems for our customers?
In particular, I would like to avoid compatibility problems with VoIP PBXs, network printers, alarm systems, etc ...
In Italy only few ISPs provide IPv6 addresses and we would like to try to reverse this negative trend compared to the rest of Europe.
I hope you can help me understanding the advantages and opportunities in investing in the direction of IPv6.
Kind regards
Alessandro
Alessandro Valenza Ufficio TLC
Tel: *0571 1738257* <tel:0571%201738257> Fax: *0571542536* <fax:0571542536>
*www.enegan.it* <https://www.enegan.it/>
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participants (5)
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Alessandro Valenza
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Lee Howard
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Michael J. Oghia
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Michiel Klaver
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Yannis Nikolopoulos