Denesh, The most probably you know the answers ;-) 1, We applied restrictions on IPv4 LIRs. This is "the slow start mechanism". Restrictions are not for themself. The goal of hardening the life of a new LIR was just to filter off a half million students, that might want to create a LIR, just to decorate their business card. There are many-many small business unit that may pay the fees to become a registry, however, not able to provide a service that realy need a LIR. Too many LIR is against routability. I would not recommend an address allocation strategy that kills the network. Today some ISPs filters IPv4 /24 announcements - if we are not careful with IPv6 LIRs, we will end up of filtering of the minimum allocation to a LIR. Therefore I recommend to think about the network as a whole. I like the liberty however I do not like the mess. 2, You might heard about big research initiatives for the introduction of IPv6 service. A good example is 6net. 6NET will have initially its own infrastructure, and there is a good reason behind: it would be too risky to use a production network. This is not the eventual address allocation restriction that will stop new IPv6-only companies to pop up, but the basic limitations of the technology and the installed services. Applying restrictions in the transition period is better than creating a mess. Best, Geza Denesh Bhabuta <denesh@cyberstrider.net> d�tum: 2002.02.08 14:23:35 K�rem, v�laszoljon C�mzett Denesh Bhabuta <denesh@cyberstrider.net> C�mzett: Turch�nyi G�za/PKI/HTC2@HTC2 M�solat: "Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet" <woeber@cc.univie.ac.at>, global-v6@lists.apnic.net, ipv6-wg@ripe.net T�rgy: Re: V�lasz: [GLOBAL-V6] RE: How to reduce the junk applications? On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 02:17:29PM +0100, turchanyi.geza@ln.matav.hu (turchanyi.geza@ln.matav.hu) wrote: Re: V�lasz: [GLOBAL-V6] RE: How to reduce the junk applications?

1, I do not think that it is possible to create a brand new ISP without IPv4 experience, therefore my suggestion is not a restriction for a real ISP, just for the virtual ones.

I disagree on two points Firstly, what is an ISP (real or virtual) - define one. Secondly, IPv4 experience? What experience? registry experience, transport experience, network harware experience? what about those 'new' ISPs that have employed the services of, or even recruited, a person who had 10 years IPv4 experience. Company is new.. but the experience is old.. who are we to say that an ISP is experienced or not? -- Denesh Bhabuta Cyberstrider Limited - www.cyberstrider.net Aexiomus Limited - www.aexiomus.net - Computer shop now live me.uk domains released - http://www.cyberstrider.net/meuk.shtml