Why did the Google IPv6 statistics dropped for the Netherlands?
Hello, Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL? https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-ado... The drop is best shown here: https://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/project.php -- Marco
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023, Marco Davids (Private) via ipv6-wg wrote:
Hello,
Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL?
https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/NL doesn't show equivalent drop. Last I heard presentation about how APNIC measures this, it's through Google ads served to web browsers, so that sounds like similar method to what google might be using. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
A measurement issue at Google is probably where to look (or some peering/routing with Google AS) -éric From: ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Mikael Abrahamsson via ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> Date: Tuesday, 10 October 2023 at 11:35 To: Marco Davids (Private) <mdavids@forfun.net> Cc: RIPE IPv6 WG <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Why did the Google IPv6 statistics dropped for the Netherlands? On Tue, 10 Oct 2023, Marco Davids (Private) via ipv6-wg wrote:
Hello,
Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL?
https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/NL doesn't show equivalent drop. Last I heard presentation about how APNIC measures this, it's through Google ads served to web browsers, so that sounds like similar method to what google might be using. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg
(It's a conjecture but) I find it plausible that Google does some network engineering in various regions, including the one serving NL, and selectively turning IPv6 on/off for stuff they serve. If what the Google stats is shown what percentage of traffic *to them* is on IPv6, then these changes may cause the stats to change. "Geoff's ads" are offered by Google but served by Geoff's infra, which is not Google's so it is unaffected. Robert On 2023-10-10 11:50, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) via ipv6-wg wrote:
A measurement issue at Google is probably where to look (or some peering/routing with Google AS)
-éric
*From: *ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Mikael Abrahamsson via ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> *Date: *Tuesday, 10 October 2023 at 11:35 *To: *Marco Davids (Private) <mdavids@forfun.net> *Cc: *RIPE IPv6 WG <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> *Subject: *Re: [ipv6-wg] Why did the Google IPv6 statistics dropped for the Netherlands?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023, Marco Davids (Private) via ipv6-wg wrote:
Hello,
Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL?
https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/NL <https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/NL> doesn't show equivalent drop.
Last I heard presentation about how APNIC measures this, it's through Google ads served to web browsers, so that sounds like similar method to what google might be using.
-- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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Because from the 15th to the 26th September the Google Ad system just stopped impressing all of our ads. Well not quite all - 1 or 2 snuck through, which was enough to make the percentage reports go nuts! Here's the plot of daily total delivered ads for the Netherlands across that last year or so. Geoff [cid:0e40327c-7187-4872-9f44-59df7300f959@AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM]
On 10 Oct 2023, at 9:28 pm, Robert Kisteleki <robert@ripe.net> wrote:
(It's a conjecture but) I find it plausible that Google does some network engineering in various regions, including the one serving NL, and selectively turning IPv6 on/off for stuff they serve.
If what the Google stats is shown what percentage of traffic *to them* is on IPv6, then these changes may cause the stats to change. "Geoff's ads" are offered by Google but served by Geoff's infra, which is not Google's so it is unaffected.
Robert
On 2023-10-10 11:50, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) via ipv6-wg wrote:
A measurement issue at Google is probably where to look (or some peering/routing with Google AS) -éric *From: *ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Mikael Abrahamsson via ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> *Date: *Tuesday, 10 October 2023 at 11:35 *To: *Marco Davids (Private) <mdavids@forfun.net> *Cc: *RIPE IPv6 WG <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> *Subject: *Re: [ipv6-wg] Why did the Google IPv6 statistics dropped for the Netherlands? On Tue, 10 Oct 2023, Marco Davids (Private) via ipv6-wg wrote:
Hello,
Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL? https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/NL <https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/NL> doesn't show equivalent drop. Last I heard presentation about how APNIC measures this, it's through Google ads served to web browsers, so that sounds like similar method to what google might be using. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg>
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Pick your outlier: <https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/> [5abe11939cb84340.jpeg] IPv6 Deployment in NL<https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/> public.flourish.studio<https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/> On 10 Oct 2023, at 10:26, Marco Davids (Private) via ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> wrote: Hello, Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL? https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-ado... The drop is best shown here: https://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/project.php -- Marco -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg
No noticeable change on content supplier side: https://ipv6matrix.org/hosts/country-NL Kindest regards, Olivier On 10/10/2023 11:26, Mat Ford via ipv6-wg wrote:
Pick your outlier:
5abe11939cb84340.jpeg IPv6 Deployment in NL <https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/> public.flourish.studio <https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/>
<https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/>
On 10 Oct 2023, at 10:26, Marco Davids (Private) via ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hello,
Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL?
https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-ado...
The drop is best shown here:
https://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/project.php
-- Marco
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In case we believe Google and/or Geoff stats are wrong I believe it's a good idea to check other sources. Facebook offers a per country IPv6 stats (https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_country) For the Netherlands: Alejandro, On 10/10/23 11:16 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
No noticeable change on content supplier side: https://ipv6matrix.org/hosts/country-NL
Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 10/10/2023 11:26, Mat Ford via ipv6-wg wrote:
Pick your outlier:
5abe11939cb84340.jpeg IPv6 Deployment in NL <https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/> public.flourish.studio <https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/>
<https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/>
On 10 Oct 2023, at 10:26, Marco Davids (Private) via ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hello,
Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL?
https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-ado...
The drop is best shown here:
https://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/project.php
-- Marco
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What I like on Geoff measurements is that we can see the metrics for our own AS. As AS15435 is rolling out IPv6 in the Netherlands now, these stats give is some insight how we perform compared to other ISPs. Besides Geoff stats, are there other sources that do the same ? Rinse On 10-10-2023 18:46, Alejandro Acosta wrote:
In case we believe Google and/or Geoff stats are wrong I believe it's a good idea to check other sources. Facebook offers a per country IPv6 stats (https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_country)
For the Netherlands:
Alejandro,
On 10/10/23 11:16 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
No noticeable change on content supplier side: https://ipv6matrix.org/hosts/country-NL
Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 10/10/2023 11:26, Mat Ford via ipv6-wg wrote:
Pick your outlier:
5abe11939cb84340.jpeg IPv6 Deployment in NL <https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/> public.flourish.studio <https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/>
<https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/>
On 10 Oct 2023, at 10:26, Marco Davids (Private) via ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hello,
Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL?
https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-ado...
The drop is best shown here:
https://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/project.php
-- Marco
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https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage/AS15435 From: ipv6-wg [mailto:ipv6-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Rinse Kloek Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 8:05 PM To: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Why did the Google IPv6 statistics dropped for the Netherlands? What I like on Geoff measurements is that we can see the metrics for our own AS. As AS15435 is rolling out IPv6 in the Netherlands now, these stats give is some insight how we perform compared to other ISPs. Besides Geoff stats, are there other sources that do the same ? Rinse On 10-10-2023 18:46, Alejandro Acosta wrote: In case we believe Google and/or Geoff stats are wrong I believe it's a good idea to check other sources. Facebook offers a per country IPv6 stats (https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_country) For the Netherlands: [cid:image001.png@01D9FC26.32971820] Alejandro, On 10/10/23 11:16 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote: No noticeable change on content supplier side: https://ipv6matrix.org/hosts/country-NL Kindest regards, Olivier On 10/10/2023 11:26, Mat Ford via ipv6-wg wrote: Pick your outlier: [5abe11939cb84340.jpeg] IPv6 Deployment in NL<https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/> public.flourish.studio<https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/15305298/> On 10 Oct 2023, at 10:26, Marco Davids (Private) via ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg@ripe.net><mailto:ipv6-wg@ripe.net> wrote: Hello, Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL? https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-ado... The drop is best shown here: https://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/project.php -- Marco -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg
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Alejandro Acosta -
Eric Vyncke (evyncke) -
Geoff Huston -
Marco Davids (Private) -
Mat Ford -
Mikael Abrahamsson -
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond -
Rinse Kloek -
Robert Kisteleki -
Vasilenko Eduard