[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] IPv6 TLAs for mobile operators
Hi I am new to this list - hope I do not touch a topic that has been discussed different times in here.... I wonder how mobile operators receive IPv6 address allocations from RIPE NCC? The IPv6 policy paper (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6policy.html) includes 4 conditions: a) be an LIR; b) not be an end site; c) plan to provide IPv6 connectivity to organisations to which it will assign /48s, by advertising that connectivity through its single aggregated address allocation; and d) have a plan for making at least 200 /48 assignments to other organisations within two years. Mobile operators fulfill a) and b). But since mobile operators will probably give /64 addresses to their users (a single mobile terminal), they don't fulfill c) and d) - if they are not a traditional ISP in parallel. -> how does RIPE treat IPv6 TLA requests from pure mobile operators? thanks for any answer Andreas PS: one might argue that the mobile operators will give a /48 for each mobile terminal. But this would mean that a /32 gives them only 65k mobile terminals to address! A large mobile operator haveing more than 10 Mio customers would need 2^24 addresses resulting in a /24! Is this what is intended to be given to a mobile operator from RIPE? I don't think so....
Hi there, A single terminal or mobile device should get /127 and not /64 ! /64 is for 1 network. If the customer need more than 1 Network, he may get /48. Best regards Arash Ashouriha Andreas.Schmid1@swisscom.com schrieb:
Hi
I am new to this list - hope I do not touch a topic that has been discussed different times in here....
I wonder how mobile operators receive IPv6 address allocations from RIPE NCC? The IPv6 policy paper (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6policy.html) includes 4 conditions: a) be an LIR; b) not be an end site; c) plan to provide IPv6 connectivity to organisations to which it will assign /48s, by advertising that connectivity through its single aggregated address allocation; and d) have a plan for making at least 200 /48 assignments to other organisations within two years.
Mobile operators fulfill a) and b). But since mobile operators will probably give /64 addresses to their users (a single mobile terminal), they don't fulfill c) and d) - if they are not a traditional ISP in parallel.
-> how does RIPE treat IPv6 TLA requests from pure mobile operators?
thanks for any answer Andreas
PS: one might argue that the mobile operators will give a /48 for each mobile terminal. But this would mean that a /32 gives them only 65k mobile terminals to address! A large mobile operator haveing more than 10 Mio customers would need 2^24 addresses resulting in a /24! Is this what is intended to be given to a mobile operator from RIPE? I don't think so....
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Arash Ashouriha wrote:
A single terminal or mobile device should get /127 and not /64 ! /64 is for 1 network. If the customer need more than 1 Network, he may get /48.
Where did you get that idea? Please have a look at RFC3314 (Recommendations for IPv6 in Third Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) Standards) and RFC3177 (IAB/IESG Recommendations on IPv6 Address Allocations to Sites). Of course, anyone can build the networks as they want, but assigning /64's to mobile customers is something that must be supported by RIR's.
I am new to this list - hope I do not touch a topic that has been discussed different times in here....
I wonder how mobile operators receive IPv6 address allocations from RIPE NCC? The IPv6 policy paper (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6policy.html) includes 4 conditions: a) be an LIR; b) not be an end site; c) plan to provide IPv6 connectivity to organisations to which it will assign /48s, by advertising that connectivity through its single aggregated address allocation; and d) have a plan for making at least 200 /48 assignments to other organisations within two years.
Mobile operators fulfill a) and b). But since mobile operators will probably give /64 addresses to their users (a single mobile terminal), they don't fulfill c) and d) - if they are not a traditional ISP in parallel.
-> how does RIPE treat IPv6 TLA requests from pure mobile operators?
thanks for any answer Andreas
PS: one might argue that the mobile operators will give a /48 for each mobile terminal. But this would mean that a /32 gives them only 65k mobile terminals to address! A large mobile operator haveing more than 10 Mio customers would need 2^24 addresses resulting in a /24! Is this what is intended to be given to a mobile operator from RIPE? I don't think so....
-- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords
Le Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 04:01:53PM +0100, Andreas.Schmid1@swisscom.com a ecrit:
Hi
I am new to this list - hope I do not touch a topic that has been discussed different times in here....
I wonder how mobile operators receive IPv6 address allocations from RIPE NCC? The IPv6 policy paper (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6policy.html) includes 4 conditions: a) be an LIR; b) not be an end site; c) plan to provide IPv6 connectivity to organisations to which it will assign /48s, by advertising that connectivity through its single aggregated address allocation; and d) have a plan for making at least 200 /48 assignments to other organisations within two years.
Mobile operators fulfill a) and b). But since mobile operators will probably give /64 addresses to their users (a single mobile terminal), they don't fulfill c) and d) - if they are not a traditional ISP in parallel.
you can say in this case that a "site" is not a mobile phone but a cell (I'm not sure it's the good word) you connect less than 6500 custommers by cell you affect a /48 per cell and a /64 per mobile phone -- Xavier Henner Ing�nieur Syst�me Nerim -- Fournisseur d'acc�s � Internet URL: <http://www.nerim.net/>
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