Hello, Disclaimer: I hide sensitive information (ASN, company name,...). Flames & co > /dev/null RIPE are welcome to contact me because i don't find contact except the registration contact for members only. My company have an operational ipv6-site since 17 january 2001 on 6bone (http://whois.6bone.net/cgi-bin/whois?NDSOFTWARE). We made a lot of tests with our IPv6 experimental network and we provide IPv6 connectivity to many IPv6 projects. We do BGP peering with a private ASN (we announce only our routes with community no-export if the peer accept it and use correct filter) because we don't have our ASN. Now, we will build a real IPv6 network (native peering, peering with other ISP on Internet Exchange,...). My company created the first french IPv6 Internet Exchange, FNIX6 (http://www.fnix6.net) but my company can't peer on FNIX6 becase we don't have public ASN. Yesterday, i sent my ASN request to the RIPE by my LIR (peer1): ---------------------------------------------------------------------> X-NCC-RegID: <obscured-regid> #[ANNOUNCED ADDRESS RANGES]# <obscured-ipv6-/32> #[PEERING CONTACTS]# <obscured-peer1-email> <obscured-peer2-email> #[AUT-NUM TEMPLATE]# aut-num: NEW as-name: NDSOFTWARE-AS descr: NDSoftware IP Network import: from AS<obscured-peer1-as> action pref=100; accept ANY import: from AS<obscured-peer2-as> action pref=100; accept ANY export: to AS<obscured-peer1-as> announce NEW export: to AS<obscured-peer2-as> announce NEW remarks: Network problems to: noc@ndsoftwarenet.com remarks: Peering requests to: peering@ndsoftwarenet.com remarks: Abuse notifications to: abuse@ndsoftwarenet.com remarks: NDSoftware have an open peering policy. admin-c: AUTO-1 tech-c: AUTO-1 notify: notify@ndsoftwarenet.com mnt-by: NDSOFTWARE-MNT changed: hostmaster@ripe.net source: RIPE #[MAINTAINER TEMPLATE]# mntner: NDSOFTWARE-MNT descr: NDSoftware IP Network admin-c: AUTO-1 tech-c: AUTO-1 upd-to: ipmaster@ndsoftwarenet.com mnt-nfy: notify@ndsoftwarenet.com auth: MD5-PW $1$uAUWFve7$aPxYj8kqY4sCqr7g7fL6J/ notify: notify@ndsoftwarenet.com mnt-by: NDSOFTWARE-MNT referral-by: RIPE-DBM-MNT changed: hostmaster@ripe.net source: RIPE #[PERSON TEMPLATE]# person: Nicolas DEFFAYET address: NDSoftware address: 57 rue du president Wilson address: 92300 Levallois-Perret address: France phone: +33 671887502 e-mail: nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net nic-hdl: AUTO-1 notify: notify@ndsoftwarenet.com mnt-by: NDSOFTWARE-MNT changed: nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net source: RIPE #[ADDITIONAL INFORMATION]#. We request a pTLA to 6bone as soon we get our ASN. We are the founder of FNIX6 (French National Internet Exchange IPv6). We provide IPv6 transit to many projects. #[TEMPLATE END]# ---------------------------------------------------------------------> Reply of RIPE: ---------------------------------------------------------------------> Thank you for your request for an AS number, but with IPv6 you do not need to use any AS numbers nor route objects. Please have a look at the IPv6 documentation at the following link: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------> Very stupid reply, for do BGP peering, request a pTLA to 6bone and peer on FNIX6, we need a public ASN. There isn't IPv6 documentation for ASN on http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6.html => How get an ASN for our new IPv6 network ? (we don't want do IPv4 network) Thanks Best Regards, Nicolas DEFFAYET
% My company created the first french % IPv6 Internet Exchange, FNIX6 (http://www.fnix6.net) but my company % can't peer on FNIX6 becase we don't have public ASN. this is not the first v6 enabled exchange in France. there are three other exchanges which are v6 enabled. --bill
On Tue, 2002-10-15 at 16:33, Bill Manning wrote:
% My company created the first french % IPv6 Internet Exchange, FNIX6 (http://www.fnix6.net) but my company % can't peer on FNIX6 becase we don't have public ASN.
this is not the first v6 enabled exchange in France. there are three other exchanges which are v6 enabled.
This other Internet Exchange in France are IPv4 and IPv6 Internet Exchange (dualstack). IPv6 Internet Exchange = IPv6 only FNIX6 is the first french IPv6 Internet Exchange and the second IPv6 Internet Exchange in Europe (the first is UK6x). For information, a list of IPv6 Internet Exchange: - 6IIX (New-York, Los Angeles, Santa Clara, US) - 6NGIX (Seoul, KR) - 6TAP (Chicago, US) - KNIX6 (Soul, KR) - NSPIXP-6 (Tokyo, JP) - NY6IX (New-York, US) - S-IX (San Jose,US) - UK6X (London, UK) Best Regards, Nicolas DEFFAYET
On 15-10-2002 17:00PM, "Nicolas DEFFAYET" <nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net> wrote:
On Tue, 2002-10-15 at 16:33, Bill Manning wrote:
% My company created the first french % IPv6 Internet Exchange, FNIX6 (http://www.fnix6.net) but my company % can't peer on FNIX6 becase we don't have public ASN.
this is not the first v6 enabled exchange in France. there are three other exchanges which are v6 enabled.
This other Internet Exchange in France are IPv4 and IPv6 Internet Exchange (dualstack). IPv6 Internet Exchange = IPv6 only
Why? Is what we are doing not IPv6? Arien -- Arien Vijn Amsterdam Internet Exchange http://www.ams-ix.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <bortzmeyer@gitoyen.net> To: "Arien Vijn" <arien.vijn@ams-ix.net> Cc: "Nicolas DEFFAYET" <nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net>; "Bill Manning" <bmanning@ISI.EDU>; <ipv6-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [6bone] RIPE and IPv6 ASN
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 05:16:11PM +0200, Arien Vijn <arien.vijn@ams-ix.net> wrote a message of 26 lines which said:
IPv6 Internet Exchange = IPv6 only
Why? Is what we are doing not IPv6?
Don't worry, Nicolas is inventing his own terminology.
Since IPv6 fragments the net, and disconnects users from the existing IPv4 base, it appears that one solution would be for IPv6 people to go off to their native IPv6 networks and invent whatever terminology they choose to invent. In that pure world, they would not have to worry about the evils of NAT, or the evils of TOS Routing, or any of the other evolutionary transition approaches. People could pay their $25,000 per year for blocks of address space, and all live in bliss. Anyone paying that much probably has a right to invent whatever terminology they want to invent. Jim Fleming 128-bit DNS is closer than you think... http://ipv8.dyndns.tv http://ipv8.dyns.cx http://ipv8.no-ip.com http://ipv8.no-ip.biz http://ipv8.no-ip.info http://ipv8.myip.us http://ipv8.dyn.ee http://ipv8.community.net.au
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Jim Fleming wrote:
Don't worry, Nicolas is inventing his own terminology.
Since IPv6 fragments the net, and disconnects users from the existing IPv4 base, it appears that one solution would be for IPv6 people to go off to their native IPv6 networks and invent whatever terminology they choose to invent.
That is not the main ideia. The ideia is to get everyone and every service in the new world. There is room for everyone. "IPv6 people" are people living in two worlds, using the "v6 world" when it is possible and the "v4 world" when it is not.
In that pure world, they would not have to worry about the evils of NAT, or the evils of TOS Routing,
Not "pure", there isnt 115.000 routes, but we already can see mistakes in the 400 we have...
or any of the other evolutionary transition approaches. People could pay their $25,000 per year for blocks of address space, and all live in bliss. Anyone paying that much probably has a right to invent whatever terminology they want to invent.
Some words turn out to be revolutionary, sometimes... :-) ./Carlos "Networking is fun!" -------------- [http://www.ip6.fccn.pt] http://www.fccn.pt <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, CMF8-RIPE, CF596-ARIN, Wide Area Network Workgroup F.C.C.N. - Fundacao para a Computacao Cientifica Nacional fax: +351 218472167
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Arien Vijn wrote:
On 15-10-2002 17:00PM, "Nicolas DEFFAYET" <nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net> wrote:
On Tue, 2002-10-15 at 16:33, Bill Manning wrote:
% My company created the first french % IPv6 Internet Exchange, FNIX6 (http://www.fnix6.net) but my company % can't peer on FNIX6 becase we don't have public ASN.
this is not the first v6 enabled exchange in France. there are three other exchanges which are v6 enabled.
This other Internet Exchange in France are IPv4 and IPv6 Internet Exchange (dualstack). IPv6 Internet Exchange = IPv6 only
Why? Is what we are doing not IPv6?
Arien
IPv6 only = Purely IPv6 (no IPv4 legacy stuff!) I've understood it as a marketing issue... :-) Nicolas, about the problem: If you get LIR Status you'll probably get your ASN quickly. Regards, ./Carlos "Networking is fun!" -------------- [http://www.ip6.fccn.pt] http://www.fccn.pt <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, CMF8-RIPE, CF596-ARIN, Wide Area Network Workgroup F.C.C.N. - Fundacao para a Computacao Cientifica Nacional fax: +351 218472167
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Carlos Friacas wrote:
% IPv6 Internet Exchange, FNIX6 (http://www.fnix6.net) but my company % can't peer on FNIX6 becase we don't have public ASN.
this is not the first v6 enabled exchange in France. there are three other exchanges which are v6 enabled.
This other Internet Exchange in France are IPv4 and IPv6 Internet Exchange (dualstack). IPv6 Internet Exchange = IPv6 only
Why? Is what we are doing not IPv6?
Arien
IPv6 only = Purely IPv6 (no IPv4 legacy stuff!)
Yes, too bad the claim was 'First IPv6 IX in France', not IPv6-only. If you don't like the reality, you can always re-define it. Easy... -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords
On 15-10-2002 15:35PM, "Nicolas DEFFAYET" <nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net> wrote: [...]
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Thank you for your request for an AS number, but with IPv6 you do not need to use any AS numbers nor route objects.
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From a technical point of view RIPE's reply is not accurate indeed. How can you talk BGP without an AS number? That has nothing to do with IPv6 as such.
Hmmm... if there is absolutely something wrong if this is truly in the policies. Arien -- Arien Vijn tel: +31 205 141 718 Amsterdam Internet Exchange mobile: +31 651 836 444 http://www.ams-ix.net e-mail: arien.vijn@ams-ix.net
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Arien Vijn wrote:
Thank you for your request for an AS number, but with IPv6 you do not need to use any AS numbers nor route objects.
Please have a look at the IPv6 documentation at the following link: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6.html
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From a technical point of view RIPE's reply is not accurate indeed. How can you talk BGP without an AS number? That has nothing to do with IPv6 as such.
Incorrect. There is a private ASN space, see: http://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:35:37PM +0200, Nicolas DEFFAYET <nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net> wrote a message of 126 lines which said:
RIPE are welcome to contact me because i don't find contact except the registration contact for members only.
Until very recently (1st July), RIPE-NCC had an incredibly restrictive policy regarding IPv6 allocation. So, it is quite possible that many of the hostmasters are not yet used to IPv6. I suggest to reply to RIPE-NCC with explanations. You can ask lir-help@ripe.net, too.
Now, we will build a real IPv6 network (native peering, peering with other ISP on Internet Exchange,...). My company created the first french IPv6 Internet Exchange, FNIX6
Wrong, the first one was Sfinx <URL:http://www.sfinx.tm.fr/>, several months before.
Thank you for your request for an AS number, but with IPv6 you do not need to use any AS numbers
:-)
Dear Nicolas, I apologise for the problem you have experienced obtaining an ASN from the RIPE NCC. The answer you received was obviously a mistake. We will correct this by the end of this business day. You mentioned that you found it difficult to find a list of alternative contact information. There is a list available on our web site that can be found at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/about/contact.html> We will make the link from the front page of the site more obvious. Best regards, -- leo vegoda RIPE NCC Registration Services
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