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Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
by Gert Doering 04 Jun '23

04 Jun '23

Hi, On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 07:53:48PM +0000, Ole Troan (otroan) wrote: > Thought experiment. > IPv6 wasn?t invented. > Would we be able to make IPv4 continue to roll down the hill for another 25 years? Whether there's 3 or 4 layers of NAT won't matter much... everything that is not TCP or UDP won't survive, but since The Browser Oligopol seems to be set to move everything into QUIC anyway, we should be fine... It will nicely kill everything that is not Cloud or Rendezvous-Server- based, but there's quite a few parties outside that would consider this a feature. So yes. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279

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(IETF I-D) Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt)
by Fernando Gont 02 Jun '23

02 Jun '23

Folks, The IETF OPSEC WG has adopted our IETF I-D entitled "Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations". This is the same material I presented at the last IPv6 WG meeting in Rotterdam (https://ripe86.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ipv6-wg/). The IETF-ID is available at: * TXT: <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt> * HTML: <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing> We have tried to make the document as practical as possible for anyone doing security operations. Your comments and suggestions will be highly appreciated. P.S.: Thanks to those of you that sent feedback for previous revision of this document, by the way! Regards, Fernando -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2023 07:26:18 -0700 From: internet-drafts(a)ietf.org To: Fernando Gont <fgont(a)si6networks.com>, Guillermo Gont <ggont(a)si6networks.com> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Fernando Gont and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing Revision: 00 Title: Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations Document date: 2023-06-02 Group: opsec Pages: 13 URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing/ Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing Abstract: The increased address availability provided by IPv6 has concrete implications on security operations. This document discusses such implications, and sheds some light on how existing security operations techniques and procedures might need to be modified accommodate the increased IPv6 address availability. The IETF Secretariat

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IPv6-mostly IPv6-only(with dns64/nat64) dual stack at RIPE-meeting
by Thomas Schäfer 27 May '23

27 May '23

Hi, during the closing plenary were considerations to remove the IPv6-only(with dns64/nat64) network/ssid the next time. I would vote for that. IPv6-mostly covers the traditional IPv6-only. Someone made the proposal to provide a real "ipv6 only" net/ssid instead (without nat64) My first thought was: Never, it will the people just frustrate. My second thought was: Let's try it! After the first shock - only 50% of the websites support IPv6 - we should provide tips for testing: - using public dns64 with own nat64 address space - VPN, the public ones like apple privacy relay, cloudflare warp ... - VPN, own organisation/company like eduvpn for NREN (e.g. DFN supports it, other institutes too, cisco anyconnect... -VPN personal, like wireguard/ipsec to AVMs fritzbox and others, openvpn NAS/ own setups Last but not least I propose to provide that special DNS-resolver: https://gitlab.com/miyurusankalpa/IPv6-dns-server It increases the amount of IPv6 capable destinations. Regards, Thomas

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FW: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 policy - 2nd prioritisation and outcomes discussion webinar
by Raymond Jetten 27 Mar '23

27 Mar '23

Just to let the IPv6WG know, there is an ongoing discussion on the next steps in IPv6 policy work at the Address Policy working group please see below for details, and of course feel free to participate in this important matter. Rgds, Ray For Internal Use Only -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces(a)ripe.net> On Behalf Of Leo Vegoda Sent: tiistai 21. maaliskuuta 2023 23.48 To: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 policy - 2nd prioritisation and outcomes discussion webinar At RIPE 85 we continued a review of the IPv6 policy that began at RIPE 83. Several areas for improvement were agreed. We promised to host an inter-sessional webinar to discuss priorities and the outcomes to work towards. We held the first webinar on Monday, 20 February 2023. You can read a summary of what was discussed on RIPE Labs. A full recording and minutes are published on the interim sessions page. - https://labs.ripe.net/author/leo_vegoda/next-steps-in-ipv6-policy-work/ - https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/active-wg/ap/interim-sessions The second webinar will take place on Tuesday, 11 April at 13:30 UTC (15:30 CEST). If you want to help us set priorities and define the outcomes the community needs you are welcome to join. Join Zoom Meeting https://ripe.zoom.us/j/93730573273?pwd=eWJ1WEEzSzVSSEJNKy9JeXk0L3RqZz09 Leo Vegoda for the Address Policy WG co-chairs -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg

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Call for presentations IPv6 WG @RIPE86
by Raymond Jetten 27 Mar '23

27 Mar '23

Hello All, RIPE 86 will take place from 22-26 May 2023 in a hybrid format in which online and onsite participants can interact with each other using a common platform. The onsite event will take place in Rotterdam, Netherlands. For both cases you can register here: https://ripe86.ripe.net/attend/register/ The IPv6 Working Group session is scheduled for Thursday 25 May from 11:00 . 12:30 (UTC+1) (however it still may change) We are looking for presentations - please email : ipv6-wg-chair (at) ripe.net if you'd like to present. Please also state if you intend to be online or onsite, and the duration of your presentation, and a short description of it. Once we have decided on the agenda, we'll contact the presenters. Hope to see many of you, On behalf of the IPv6-WG Benedikt, Jen, Ray For Internal Use Only

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(IETF I-D): Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt)
by Fernando Gont 05 Feb '23

05 Feb '23

Hi, All, Recently, I happened to participate in an IPv6 deployment meeting with some large content provider, and said meeting included a discussion about how to mitigate some attacks using block-lists. These folks argued that they ban offending IPv6 addresses as /128s, following IPv4 practices. So it seemed to me that some of the implications arising from the increased IPv6 address space were non-obvious to them. -- that has been the motivation for the publication of this document. * TXT: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt * HTML: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.html Comments welcome! P.S.: The document is targeted at the IETF opsec wg (https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec), but I'll be happy to discuss it on this mailing-list, off-list, or at the opsec wg mailing-list... Thanks! Regards, Fernando -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 19:48:40 -0800 From: internet-drafts(a)ietf.org To: Fernando Gont <fgont(a)si6networks.com>, Guillermo Gont <ggont(a)si6networks.com> A new version of I-D, draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Fernando Gont and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing Revision: 00 Title: Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations Document date: 2023-02-02 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 8 URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing/ Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing Abstract: The increased address availability provided by IPv6 has concrete implications on security operations. This document discusses such implications, and sheds some light on how existing security operations techniques and procedures might need to be modified accommodate the increased IPv6 address availability. The IETF Secretariat

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New on RIPE Labs: IPv6 Policy Is a Community Self-Governance Success Story
by Alun Davies 30 Jan '23

30 Jan '23

Dear colleagues, The RIPE Address Policy Working Group invites the community to join the conversation on the next phase of IPv6 policy. In this new article on RIPE Labs, Leo Vegoda talks about the success of the policy so far and the process that is underway in order to determine whether there’s need for change: https://labs.ripe.net/author/leo_vegoda/ipv6-policy-is-a-community-self-gov… Best regards, Alun Davies RIPE Labs Editor RIPE NCC

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Pv6 policy - prioritisation and outcomes discussion webinar
by Raymond Jetten 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

Dear IPv6-WG list members, Below an invite from the Address Policy Working Group, to an IPv6 address policy webinar. Kind regards, Ray From: Leo Vegoda <leo(a)vegoda.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 10:14 Subject: IPv6 policy - prioritisation and outcomes discussion webinar To: <address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net> At RIPE 85 we continued a review of the IPv6 policy that began at RIPE 83. Several areas for improvement were agreed. We promised to host an inter-sessional webinar to discuss priorities and the outcomes to work towards. The identified areas for improvement include: - Better guidance on documentation requirements for large allocations - Simpler language for the HD-ratio - Make it easier for small networks to assign a few addresses to other organisations - Ensure allocations always fall on a nibble boundary If you wants to help us set priorities and define the outcomes the community needs you are welcome to join. Monday, 20 February 2023 at 13:00 UTC (14:00 CET). Join Zoom Meeting https://ripe.zoom.us/j/94307989734?pwd=YytnQm53SjJEWUtKemxQM3dGcjZmQT09 Meeting ID: 943 0798 9734 Passcode: 339420 Leo Vegoda for the Address Policy WG co-chairs For Internal Use Only

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Re: [ipv6-wg] [Snac] [v6ops] "router cascade with DHCPv6-PD"
by Michael Richardson 22 Jan '23

22 Jan '23

Ole Trøan <otroan(a)employees.org> wrote: >>>> The lack of a standardized way to communicate DHCPv6-server PD to >>>> DHCPv6-relay, and the expectation that the relay would just *snoop* = >>>> on the >>>> DHCPv6-PD contents has bugged me for a long time. If we are going to >>>> recommend that they act as relays, then I'd like to fix that. >>> If DHCP is used for prefix assignment inside of a site, the relay does >>> not need to do route injection for the requesting router. The RR can >>> simply advertise the assigned prefix in routing. >> >> a) it's actually cross-site. > Elaborate please. We have three entities. 1) the STUB router or other downstream "home" router. 2) the CPE router which is at the "north" side of the home LAN, and on the south side of the WAN/DSL/CMTS link. 3) The ISP DHCP server which is somewhere inside the ISP, with a DHCP relay at the BMS or Cable Head end to send to it. If (2) treats a DHCP-PD request from (1) as a relay, then it would relay to (3), which would allocate a new prefix. That message would back through (3) [where it gets snooped on, and maybe, yes, injected into the ISP routing system]. Then it would relayed to (2), which would then relay it to (1). (2) has to do something to route the prefix to (1), which today, means snooping on the results. But, even if the (2) is operated by the ISP, it's not part of the ISPs site. The south side of (2) belongs to the home owner. The prefix needs to be routed from (2) to (1). There is no routing protocol in the home at this time(alas!), so there is nothing to "inject" it into. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF(a)sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide

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Re: [ipv6-wg] [Snac] [v6ops] "router cascade with DHCPv6-PD"
by Michael Richardson 18 Jan '23

18 Jan '23

Ole Trøan <otroan(a)employees.org> wrote: >> The lack of a standardized way to communicate DHCPv6-server PD to >> DHCPv6-relay, and the expectation that the relay would just *snoop* on the >> DHCPv6-PD contents has bugged me for a long time. If we are going to >> recommend that they act as relays, then I'd like to fix that. > If DHCP is used for prefix assignment inside of a site, the relay does > not need to do route injection for the requesting router. The RR can > simply advertise the assigned prefix in routing. a) it's actually cross-site. > Ah, you don’t want to run a routing protocol? Well, there’s your problem. b) If you can find a way to deploy OSPFv3 (or BABEL) in every home network, then I'm game. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF(a)sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide

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