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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Update on IPv6 filter recommendation
by Gert Doering 14 May '03

14 May '03

Hi, I have just added an update to the "strict" filter list of my IPv6 filter list recommendations on http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html The new thing is that inside 2001:500::/29, the "strict" list is now permitting /48s. This is because 2001:500:: is used for ARIN microallocations, and /48s are the "normal" allocation boundary in there. Two networks are already announced from within that block, 2001:500::/48 and 2001:500:1::/48, and some ISPs promtly can't reach them due to too tight filtering. So if you filter very strictly, please adapt your filters for that block. (Thanks to Carlos Friacas for pointing that out to me). Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 54495 (54267) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster(a)Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Webcast RIPE 45 Announcement
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 13 May '03

13 May '03

Dear Colleages, Please note that several sessions at RIPE 45 are being webcast. These sessions include the following: - - EOF - - Routing Working Group - - LIR Working Group - - Tools Working Group - - The RIPE NCC Services BoF - - IPv6 Working Group - - Database Working Group - - Plenary To see the meeting in real time, please use one of the following URLs. As we have limited bandwith to the meeting venue, we ask that you choose a server that is physically closer to you: - - RIPE Meeting Attendees only: mms://webcast.ripemtg.ripe.net/ripemtg - - Spain Mirror: mms://media.rediris.es/ripelive - - Portugal Mirror: mms://wms.fccn.pt/ripelive - - Italy Mirror: mms://stream1-wg.cineca.it/ripelive - - Denmark Mirror: mms://wmslave.fsknet.dk/ripelive - - Czech Republic Mirror: mms://server1.streaming.cesnet.cz/ripemtg - - United Kingdom Mirror: mms://ccs-web2k.brynmill.swan.ac.uk/ripelive - - Netherlands Mirror: mms://stream-ripe.wind.surfnet.nl/ripelive - - Amsterdam Mirror (RIPE NCC Office): mms://webcast.ripe.net/ripemtg Please note that the webcastings are technical trials only and the broadcasts should not be regarded as an official implementation of a webcasting service. More information on the webcastings with detailed instructions can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-45/webcast.html We welcome your feedback on these trials. Please send your comments to <ripecast(a)ripe.net>. Regards, RIPE Meeting Coordination Team

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RE: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Webcast RIPE 45 Announcement
by matthew.ford＠bt.com 13 May '03

13 May '03

Could whoever is operating the camera please drink less coffee..... just point the thing at the screen and be done with it .... I'm getting motion sickness ;-) Mat -----Original Message----- From: RIPE NCC Meeting Registration [mailto:meeting@ripe.net] Sent: Tue 13/05/2003 14:50 To: local-ir(a)ripe.net; ripe-list(a)ripe.net; ripecast(a)ripe.net; lir-wg(a)ripe.net; routing-wg(a)ripe.net; db-wg(a)ripe.net; ipmt-dev(a)ripe.net; ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net Cc: meeting(a)ripe.net Subject: [ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net] Webcast RIPE 45 Announcement Dear Colleages, Please note that several sessions at RIPE 45 are being webcast. These sessions include the following: - - EOF - - Routing Working Group - - LIR Working Group - - Tools Working Group - - The RIPE NCC Services BoF - - IPv6 Working Group - - Database Working Group - - Plenary To see the meeting in real time, please use one of the following URLs. As we have limited bandwith to the meeting venue, we ask that you choose a server that is physically closer to you: - - RIPE Meeting Attendees only: mms://webcast.ripemtg.ripe.net/ripemtg - - Spain Mirror: mms://media.rediris.es/ripelive - - Portugal Mirror: mms://wms.fccn.pt/ripelive - - Italy Mirror: mms://stream1-wg.cineca.it/ripelive - - Denmark Mirror: mms://wmslave.fsknet.dk/ripelive - - Czech Republic Mirror: mms://server1.streaming.cesnet.cz/ripemtg - - United Kingdom Mirror: mms://ccs-web2k.brynmill.swan.ac.uk/ripelive - - Netherlands Mirror: mms://stream-ripe.wind.surfnet.nl/ripelive - - Amsterdam Mirror (RIPE NCC Office): mms://webcast.ripe.net/ripemtg Please note that the webcastings are technical trials only and the broadcasts should not be regarded as an official implementation of a webcasting service. More information on the webcastings with detailed instructions can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-45/webcast.html We welcome your feedback on these trials. Please send your comments to <ripecast(a)ripe.net>. Regards, RIPE Meeting Coordination Team

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by Carlo Van Wordragen 13 May '03

13 May '03

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RE: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Update on IPv6 filter recommendation
by Michel Py 13 May '03

13 May '03

> Gert Doering wrote: > Micro-Allocations are *bad*. If they end up in the Global Routing Table, yes they are. > I can see two exceptions that can be clearly defined and are > really "exceptionable enough" (and not "just convenient") - > that's IXPs, and root name servers. We have policies for > those. Root name servers, no doubt. For IXPs, I do understand and support the need for micro-allocations but I am not convinced that they need to be announced in the GRT. > All other Micro-Allocations boil down to inventing PI > in one region only. Thank you. Michel.

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RE: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Update on IPv6 filter recommendation
by Michel Py 12 May '03

12 May '03

> Pekka Savola wrote: > There is a danger that this uncoordinated madness will spread. Indeed it _is_ spreading already. I get a bunch of /64s, /48s, any kind of prefix if you can name it I get it already from some peering in North America when I drop my filters. > There has been a proposal to extend the microallocation policy, > but luckily enough it has been shot down. Fortunately it has although we can expect that there will be more tries. I will stay on the line of filtering anything that has not been approved by all 4 RIRs (LATNIC is live I hear). Michel.

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Draft minutes (v1) RIPE 44
by David Kessens 08 May '03

08 May '03

Hi, Please see below for the draft minutes of the ipv6 working goup at last RIPE meeting. The minutes will be declared final if I don't receive major objections by friday May 23 2003. I hope this helps, David K. --- Draft minutes (v1) IPv6 working RIPE 44 Meeting: IPv6 Working Group - RIPE 44 Date: Wednesday, 29 January, 2003 Time: 2pm - 4pm Chair: David Kessens (DK) Scribe: Timothy Lowe Webcast: rtsp://webcast.ripe.net:7070/Archive/ipv6-1.rm A. Administrative stuff - Agenda bashing Agenda available at: http://www.kessens.com/~david/presentations/ - No new agenda updates were proposed B. IPv6 version of TTM - Henk Uijterwaal http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-44/ presentations/ripe44-ipv6-ttm/ - No questions or comments were made C. Presentation - IPv6 whois proxy - Shane Kerr (SK) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-44/ presentations/ripe44-ipv6-v6wpd/ Gert Dvring (GD): Will IPv6 be integrated into the main whois server, not just on the proxy server? SK: Those are our future plans but their some issues including security issues that need to be worked out first. DK: Don't put all your efforts into proxies. SK: We won't. D. IPv6 state of the art in the Italian educational and research community. - Gabriella Paolini (GP) Francis Dupont: Don't use /126 for point to point links GP: It avoids unnecessary waste. Speaker: (Did not use microphone) It includes loopback and network so it is DK: We can come up with a best current practice document on numbering v6 networks as an agenda point for next time. E. Global IPv6 routing table status - Gert Dvring (GD) Bernard Tuy (BT): Improving routing is something we should be working on. GD: Yes maybe a best current practice document. BT: Do we want a guideline document? GD: It would be useful DK: There is a 6bone document that describes this. BT: I want a RIPE document on this and volunteer to write one DK: Action on Bernard to co-ordinate for a routing document. Philip Smith (PFS): Would an IPv6 CIDR Report be useful? DK: Yes PFS: Fine, then Geoff and I will get on that. PFS: We provide transit to anyone at all right now. We want to change this we can discuss this later. DK: I am also encouraging people to look for other transit then from me. GD: I wish to keep the link to Cisco now with the shorter path lengths. PFS: All right I would appreciate any feedback. F. Ghost Route Busters - Jeroen Masser (JM) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-44/ presentations/ripe44-ipv6-ghosts/ Randy Bush (RB): What is TLA? JM: Top Level Aggregater RB: What? A short exchange on the deprecation the TLA syntax followed. G. Traffic graphs Jeroen Masser Presentation was not given but is available from: http://www.ipv6.aorta.net H. 5 year trend in the BGP table Ronald van der Pol http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ipv6/measurements/index.en.html I. Workable approaches for IPv6 multihoming in the absence of a better solution than the one we use in the IPv4 Internet - Iljitsch van Beijnum (IvB) http://www.bgpexpert.com/ripe44/ BT: Why is the draft not out? IvB: The IETF can't agree on it. BT: We could write a draft here? DK: Bernard that is IETF work IvB: It is possible that we could submit a draft to them but let me finish here my presentation and we can discuss it later. Clemens Zauner (CZ): Putting multi addressing and multihoming in the same presentation is not so logical. IvB: Are you saying if you are doing multi addressing you are not really doing multihoming? DK: There are people that say if you do multi addressing right now you don't need to multihome. CZ: Also most of the deaggregation taking place is not due to multihoming. IvB: I agree this premise is false even if every ISP announces 10000 routes .... CZ: Even so I don't belive in millions of multihomers. IvB: Neither do I but v4 style multihoming won't scale. CZ: Even so I don't belive multihoming will break things if you look at it now. IvB: Yes but we also have to think 20 years ahead. CZ: Maybe we could make them prove a need for multi homing IvB: There is the possibility of coming up with an administrative solution like that but one solution could be to make them pay a fee. You cannot have an upstream for free whether it is one or many upstreams. GD: There are a number of routes that shouldn't be there but are for traffic engineering reasons. A reason for multihoming that I see is that they want connectivity redundancy due to ISP bankruptcies. IvB: I want to take this discussion offline to go into it further J. IPv6 Multihoming part 2 - Kurt Erik Lindqvist (KEL) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-44/ presentations/ripe44-ipv6-multihoming/ GD: I like this idea. of increasing the allocation from IANA to the RIR's. Make it an action on the RIPE NCC to talk to IANA about this. If this gets out of hand we can roll it back. It is pretty radical. KEL: It is not a long term solution but it buys us time. IvB: 64,000 multihomers is not the upper limit. KEL: Even so it still won't break routers at twice as many. DK: Should we go to routing with this? GD: Yes. KEL: Yes K. Discussion point - Fragmentation of the IPv6 address space from the top down by allocating /23's to RIRs - Gert Dvring AOB DK: Another IPv6 survey is in the works and the RIPE NCC needs input on what questions to ask in the survey. Please give them input. BT: Presenting useful data is a good idea if you have any ideas on this pass them on. Also we have a v6 project the M6bone please come play with us. DK: We arranged this working group session to avoid overlap with the other working group sessions and we have moved topics to other appropriate wg's. We would like input on if you like this approach. Please inform me. I. Workable approaches for IPv6 multihoming in the absence of a better solution than the one we use in the IPv4 Internet - Kurt Erik Lindqvist, Iljitsch van Beijnum brief discussion K. Developments/initiatives regarding IPv6 in the RIPE region and beyond input from the audience L. Input to the RIPE NCC Activity Plan & results of KPMG survey input from the audience DK: It is very important that the RIPE community tells the RIPE NCC what IPv6 activities should be put into the activity plan Z. AOB Agenda point for RIPE 45 best current practice document on numbering IPv6 networks Action Points from Previous meetings: 42.1: Investigate the CNAME and other solutions for IPv6 reverse delegation - RIPE NCC 42.2: Give an overview of 6-to-4 reverse delegation issues at RIPE 43 - RIPE NCC 42.3: IPv6 capable RR DNS servers - what is needed, what are the issues? - RIPE NCC Action points 42.1-3 were rewritten and closed. New Actions Points: 44.1 Enable reverse delegation For 6bone (RIPE NCC) 44.2 To co-ordinate an IPv6 routing guideline document (Bernard Tuy) 44.3 To investigate with IANA increasing the size of RIR allocations to rationalize routing (RIPE NCC) 44.4 Report back to the working group what the status is and what the issues are regarding: - enabling AAAA glue records in the . zone - AAAA glue records for delegations to TLDs - AAAA glue records for the root servers themselves - enabling ipv6 transport to the . zone and come back with ideas on how these issues can be overcome (RIPE NCC).

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Agenda IPv6 wg RIPE 45
by David Kessens 08 May '03

08 May '03

Hi, Below follows the agenda for the ipv6 wg for RIPE45. We still have some time in the schedule, so I will be able to accomodate last minute contributions. Thanks & I hope to see you all in Barcelona, David K. --- Agenda for the IPv6 Working Group Meeting RIPE45 When: 16:30-18:30, Wednesday May 14 2003 Where: Verdi room, Hotel Fira, Barcelona, Spain A. Administrative stuff - appointment of scribe - agenda bashing (David Kessens) B. Status of the 6bone (David Kessens) C. University of Tennessee ipv6 network storage stack (Alessandro Bassi) Logistical networking, which is based on distributed network storage, is a project of the UTK Logistical Computing and Internetworking Lab. The LoCI Lab website is http://loci.cs.utk.edu/ . D. Global IPv6 routing table status (Gert Doering) E. Report(s) about *actual* v6 traffic volume as compared to v4? *what's real* out there, not what's on powerpoint? -Ttm data (Henk Uijterwaal) F. Developments/initiatives regarding IPv6 in the RIPE region and beyond (input from the audience) - Geant IPv6 service - 6Net on going IPv6 experimentations - M6bone worldwide deployment and multicast protocols for IPv6 (Bernard Tuy) G. Input for the RIPE NCC Activity Plan (input from the audience) Z. AOB ---

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Draft Agenda (v2) for IPv6 wg RIPE 45
by David Kessens 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

Hi, Below follows the draft agenda (v2) for the ipv6 wg for RIPE45. Please feel free to propose other agenda topics. We still have some time left in our agenda so I very much welcome your input on other/more agenda items. Thanks & I hope to see you all in Barcelona, David K. --- Draft Agenda (v2) for the IPv6 Working Group Meeting RIPE45 When: 16:30-18:30, Wednesday May 14 2003 Where: Verdi room, Hotel Fira, Barcelona, Spain A. Administrative stuff - appointment of scribe - agenda bashing (David Kessens) B. Status of the 6bone (David Kessens) C. University of Tennessee ipv6 network storage stack (Alessandro Bassi) Logistical networking, which is based on distributed network storage, is a project of the UTK Logistical Computing and Internetworking Lab. The LoCI Lab website is http://loci.cs.utk.edu/ . D. Global IPv6 routing table status (Gert Doering) E. Report(s) about *actual* v6 traffic volume as compared to v4? *what's real* out there, not what's on powerpoint? -first TTM data (Henk Uijterwaal) F. Developments/initiatives regarding IPv6 in the RIPE region and beyond (input from the audience) - Giant IPv6 service - 6Net on going IPv6 experimentations - M6bone worldwide deployment and multicast protocols for IPv6 (Bernard Tuy) G. Input for the RIPE NCC Activity Plan (input from the audience) Z. AOB ---

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Request for agenda items and draft Agenda (v1) for IPv6 wg RIPE 45
by David Kessens 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

Hi, Below follows the draft agenda for the ipv6 wg for RIPE45. Please feel free to propose other agenda topics. This is the first version of the agenda so I very much welcome your input on other/more agenda items. Please let me know if you have anything that you would like to have covered. Thanks & I hope to see you all in Barcelona, David K. --- Draft Agenda (v1) for the IPv6 Working Group Meeting RIPE45 Wednesday May 14, 16:30-18:30. A. Administrative stuff - appointment of scribe - agenda bashing (David Kessens) B. Status of the 6bone (David Kessens) C. Global IPv6 routing table status (Gert Doering) D. Report(s) about *actual* v6 traffic volume as compared to v4? *what's real* out there, not what's on powerpoint? E. Developments/initiatives regarding IPv6 in the RIPE region and beyond (input from the audience) F. Input for the RIPE NCC Activity Plan (input from the audience) Z. AOB ---

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