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]REPOST] Animation showing IPv6 growth over time.
by Raymond Jetten 13 Nov '23

13 Nov '23

Some very nice visuals, enjoy ! Subject: [118attendees] Animation showing IPv6 growth over time. Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2023 07:16:53 -0600 From: Nick Buraglio <buraglio(a)forwardingplane.net> Reply-To: Nick Buraglio <buraglio(a)forwardingplane.net> To: 118attendees(a)ietf.org This set of animations have made the rounds within some of the IPv6 groups at IETF and it was thought that the 118 participants may find it encouraging and interesting. These animations showing both the growth of IPv6 over time were compiled by a researcher named Barrett Lyon using data from RouteViews* data. The animation of v6 starts on May 9th, 2003, as that is when RouteViews began compiling their IPv6 data. Enjoy! IPv4 vs IPv6 Full: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo5glK9czIE 1m social media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMyFRGGGWOQ IPv6 with labels Full: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj9RjUtZ54o 1m social media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj9RjUtZ54o * https://www.routeviews.org/routeviews/ For Internal Use Only

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Survey for operators on IPv6 Extension Headers
by Justin Iurman 06 Nov '23

06 Nov '23

Hi all, On behalf of the University of Liege (Belgium), we've been doing measurements on IPv6 Extension Headers over the last two years. More specifically, we're trying to evaluate how they are processed by routers along the path, and so from the edge. Now, we would like to compare our observations with the reality of operators. For that, we propose this very short survey [1] to operators and would really appreciate if you could complete it. Note that we guarantee anonymity of your answers by not sharing any data. Looking forward to your input. Thanks, Justin [1] https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeHgEWVQMrAbB9-pRf-T-mDHXxRxw-mAqO…

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IPv6 survey web page
by Mark Prior 03 Nov '23

03 Nov '23

Hi all, Some folks in this WG may not know that I maintain a web page that shows accessibility to web, mail and DNS services via IPv6 across a number of domains. As I have just rewritten the script that generates it I thought I would take that opportunity to promote it a little. Back in 2007 at an Internet2 Joint Techs meeting Ron Broersma of DREN presented a talk on IPv6 adoption that included a coloured chart that showed a small number of Internet2 related domains and if they had IPv6 accessible web, mail and DNS. Basically the argument was that it was fine to have IPv6 plumbing but what were you doing with it (and the answer was not a lot). After chatting with Ron I decided to code up something and create a web page so I could report back any changes. Early in the piece the updates were ad hoc (probably driven by meeting deadlines) but eventually it was run by cron. Now it runs daily and works though a largish list of domains seeing if there are web, mail (smtp, submission and imap/pop), DNS, NTP, XMPP and SIP services available via IPv6. Also there is DNSSEC because something has to have worse deployment than IPv6 :-) Originally research and education domains dominated the list but over time I have added ISP/telcos and other commercial companies. There are probably zombie domains in the list too. Anyway that's enough of a background. If you are interested then have a look at <https://www.mrp.net/ipv6_survey/>. I am happy to add more domains if you want to suggest them. Regards, Mark.

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Call for co-chair candidates for the IPv6-WG
by Raymond Jetten 02 Nov '23

02 Nov '23

Dear IPv6 Working Group, Benedikt Stockebrand, who has been one of the co-chairs of the IPv6 Working Group since RIPE 69 has announced he wishes to step down at the RIPE 87 meeting in Rome, at the end of his term. Thus, we have a call for candidates. The term of a IPv6 WG co-chair is three years. A current co-chair may stand for re-selection at the end of their term or may resign voluntarily at any time. What is the IPv6 WG doing: The working group activities may be anything useful in helping people to deploy IPv6, and to manage IPv4/IPv6 co-existence. These activities include: Outreach Education Sharing deployment experiences Discussing and fixing operational issues The co-chairs also prepare the program for the IPv6 WG session at the ripe meetings. The working group will cooperate with operators and others, both inside and outside the networking industry, to share resources and combine efforts. The tasks and expectations of a WG co-chair are described here: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-692 A WG co-chair must comply with the Code of Conduct: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-766 If you feel you are interested in this or have any questions on this, you can drop the current co-chairs a note ipv6-wg-chair(a)ripe.net<mailto:ipv6-wg-chair@ripe.net> We kindly request you to respond at latest Friday 10-November-2023 midday CET (Amsterdam), when the call for candidates will be closed. After this we will announce the candidates on the list, and you can express your support. The official selection will take place at the RIPE 87 Meeting in Rome during the IPv6 Working Group session. On behalf of the IPv6 WG co-chairs, Ray RIPE IPv6 Working Group co-Chair To the co Chairs: ipv6-wg-chair(a)ripe.net<mailto:ipv6-wg-chair@ripe.net> To the mailing list: ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net<mailto:ipv6-wg@ripe.net> For Internal Use Only

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IPv6 mobile deployment (was: Why did the Google IPv6 statistics dropped for the, Netherlands?)
by Geert Jan de Groot 11 Oct '23

11 Oct '23

Hi, May I ask a different, but related question: While IPv6 migration on classic networks (server farms, internet-at-home connections) is ongoing (and has been ongoing for many, many years, alas), we don't seem to make any progress with mobile data networks. My phone shows test-ipv6.com 10/10 when connected to my home wifi, when I connect via my mobile provider, I only get IPv4/CGN. For me, this has been the case for quite a while, with multiple providers. "Mobile" is important for IPv6 migration. Without IPv6 accessibility from mobile networks, the IPv6 migration unfortunately is only engineering overhead because it will never lead to an actual migration. So, what is the opinion of the working group on this one? I did ask the Dutch regulator and they didn't seem to be interested at all in making the migration work. That worries me. Are things different in other countries? Examples we can point to? Geert Jan

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Re: [ipv6-wg] IPv6 mobile deployment
by Willy Manga 11 Oct '23

11 Oct '23

Hi, [...] > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 11:20:07 +0200 > From: Geert Jan de Groot <GeertJan.deGroot(a)xs4all.nl> >[...] > Are things different in other countries? Examples we can point to? India with Reliance JIO (AS55836 and AS64049) https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/IN?o=cXAw30x1r1 Closer to you, I might be wrong but the main mobile operators in France also enabled IPv6 for their customers... https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/FR?o=cXAw30x1r1 -- Willy Manga @ongolaboy https://ongola.blogspot.com/

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Why did the Google IPv6 statistics dropped for the Netherlands?
by Marco Davids (Private) 11 Oct '23

11 Oct '23

Hello, Is there anyone in this group that would dare to speculate on the sudden drop in IPv6 adoption for my country, the Netherlands on this URL? https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-ad… The drop is best shown here: https://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/project.php -- Marco

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APRICOT 2024: Call for Presentations
by Mark Tinka 11 Oct '23

11 Oct '23

APRICOT 2024 21st February - 1st March, Bangkok, Thailand https://2024.apricot.net CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS ================= The APRICOT 2024 Programme Committee is now seeking contributions for Presentations and Tutorials for the APRICOT 2024 Conference. We are looking for presenters who would: - Offer a technical tutorial on an appropriate topic; - Participate in the technical conference sessions as a speaker; - Convene and chair panel sessions of relevant topics; - Lead informal Birds of Feather break out sessions. Please submit on-line at: https://papers.apricot.net/user/login.php?event=186 CONFERENCE MILESTONES ---------------------------------- Call for Papers Opens: Now Outline Programme Published: As Papers Confirmed Final Deadline for Submissions: 29th January 2024 Final Program Published: 5th February 2024 Final Slides Received: 19th February 2024 *SLOTS ARE FILLED ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED BASIS, REGARDLESS OF PUBLISHED DEADLINES* PROGRAMME CONTENT ----------------------------- The APRICOT Conference Programme consists of three parts, these being Tutorials, the Peering Forum, and Conference Sessions. Topics proposed must be relevant to Internet Operations and Technologies, for example: - IPv4 / IPv6 Routing and Operations - Routing Security, including RPKI and MANRS - Internet backbone operations - Peering, Interconnects and IXPs - Content Distribution Network technology & operations - Research on Internet Operations and Deployment - Network Virtualisation - Network Automation/Programming - Network Infrastructure security - IPv6 deployment on fixed and Wireless/Cellular networks - DNS / DNSSEC and KINDNS - Access and Transport Technologies - Technical application of Web 3.0, public blockchains and cryptocurrency - Content & Service Delivery and "Cloud Computing" - 400G ZR, ZR+ & Open ROADM - Submarine cables - ChatGPT CfP SUBMISSION --------------------- Draft slides for both tutorials and conference sessions MUST be provided with CfP submissions otherwise the submission will be rejected immediately. For work in progress, the most current information available at the time of submission is acceptable. All draft and complete slides must be submitted in PDF format only. Slides must be of original work, with all company confidential marks removed. Any marketing, sales and vendor proprietary content in a presentation is against the spirit of APRICOT and it is strictly prohibited. Note that proper credit must be given for all content taken from other sources. Evidence of plagiarism is grounds for rejection. Final slides are to be provided by the specified deadline for publication on the APRICOT website. Prospective presenters should note that the majority of speaking slots will be filled well before the final submission deadline. The PC may, at their discretion, retain a limited number of slots up to the final submission deadline for presentations that are exceptionally timely, important, or of critical operational importance. Every year we turn away submissions, due to filling up all available programme slots before the deadline. Presenters should endeavour to get material to the PC sooner rather than later. Any questions or concerns should be addressed to the Programme Committee Chairs by e-mail at: pc-chairs at apricot.net We look forward to receiving your presentation proposals. Mark Tinka, Achie Atienza & Mark Duffell APRICOT 2024 Programme Committee Chairs --

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IPv6 Working group call for presentations for RIPE87
by Raymond Jetten 10 Oct '23

10 Oct '23

Hello All, RIPE 87 will be held in Rome, Italy from 27 November - 1 December 2023, as well as online. For any participation form you can register here https://ripe87.ripe.net/attend/register/ The IPv6 Working Group session is scheduled for Thursday 30 November from 11:00 . 12:30 (UTC+1) We are looking for presentations - please email : ipv6-wg-chair (at) ripe.net if you'd like to present. Please also state if you intend to be online or onsite, and the duration of your presentation, and a short description of it. Once we have decided on the agenda, we'll contact the presenters closer to the meeting Hope to see many of you, On behalf of the IPv6-WG Benedikt, Jen, Ray

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APRICOT 2024: Call for Programme Committee Volunteers
by Mark Tinka 07 Oct '23

07 Oct '23

Hi everyone. The APRICOT 2024 Organising Committee would like to welcome everyone to join us in Bangkok, Thailand, from 21st February to 1st March 2024. The APRICOT 2024 Programme Committee is responsible for the solicitation and selection of suitable presentation and tutorial content for the APRICOT 2024 conference (https://2024.apricot.net/) We are now seeking nominations from the community to join the APRICOT 2024 PC to assist with the development of the programme for APRICOT 2024. Eligible PC candidates must have attended recent APRICOT events, have broad technical knowledge of Internet operations, and have good familiarity with the format of APRICOT. Having constructive opinions and ideas about how the programme content might be improved is of high value too. PC members are expected to work actively to solicit content and review submissions for technical merit. The PC meets by conference call, weekly in frequency during the three months prior to APRICOT. If you are interested in joining the PC and meet the above eligibility criteria, please send a brief note to "pc-chairs at apricot.net". The note must include affiliation (if any) and a brief description about why you would make a good addition to the PC. The PC Chairs will accept nominations received by 17:00 UTC+8 on Friday 20th October 2023, and will announce the new PC shortly thereafter. Many thanks! Mark Tinka & Mark Duffell For the APRICOT 2024 Organising Committee --

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Reminder: Tomorrow's RIPE NCC Open House Event on Community Projects Fund Updates - 21 September, 10:00 - 11:30 UTC
by Alastair Strachan 20 Sep '23

20 Sep '23

Dear colleagues, I hope all is well with you. Just a quick note to remind you about the RIPE NCC Open House event happening tomorrow, Thursday, 21 September 2023, from 10:00 to 11:30 UTC. It's an excellent chance to hear firsthand updates from the recipients of last year’s Community Projects Fund and to engage in meaningful dialogue with project leaders. The agenda includes presentations where each project will provide an overview of their journey and accomplishments so far. Following the presentations, there will be a Q&A segment for any questions you may have. The projects and speakers lined up for tomorrow are: 1. Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) Project: ARTEMIS Lite Speaker: George Nomikos 2. Grenoble Alps University Project: fpdns2: DNS Fingerprinting Tool Speaker: Yevheniya Nosyk 3. University of Aberdeen Project: Can We Extend IPv6? - A Measurement Project Speaker: Ana Custura For more details and to register for the event, please visit the following link: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-se… RIPE NCC Open House Series: Community Projects Fund Recipient Updates 2022 ripe.net We hope to see you there! Kind Regards, Alastair Strachan RIPE NCC

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IPv6 multi-homing for site resilience
by Paolo Volpato 15 Sep '23

15 Sep '23

Dear WG, To document the currently available IPv6-based solutions to support multi-homing connectivity (e.g. a typical requirement of an enterprise site) we have developed the draft "IPv6 Site Connection to Many Carriers" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fbnvv-v6ops-site-multihoming/) The draft, co-authored by five people, is active in the IETF v6ops WG. The target we’d like to achieve is to provide a list of the possible ways to support multi-homing through IPv6, discussing the pros and the cons of each method. You will notice, we have included in the current list the common mechanisms (e.g. PI addressing or PA multi-prefix assignment) but also NPTv6 and even NAT66, despite the fact that are not considered positively by the majority of the IPv6 community. The reason for sharing is twofold. On the one hand, we’d like to get the feedback of the community on the technical content, e.g. whether anything is missing or needs more discussion. On the other, we have prepared a short survey to collect data from the field and get a picture of the solutions that are more widely deployed. The survey is anonymous and can be accessed here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdvj4VtixaoXpMpfXhUJawXdQ60MzBKKp6…. If possible, we’ll discuss the draft content and the relevant survey at the next RIPE meeting. Thank you for your cooperation. Paolo

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Status IPv6 Policy Draft
by Tobias Fiebig 14 Sep '23

14 Sep '23

Heho, i am currently scrolling over my inbox, and was wondering what the status of the v6 policy draft is (with 87 coming up). Is anyone already working on a draft to discuss? Otherwise, I could take a shot to have something ready closer to 87 which picks up the major points from prior discussions. With best regards, Tobias -- Dr.-Ing. Tobias Fiebig T +31 616 80 98 99 M tobias(a)fiebig.nl

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Clear Guidance for Enterprises
by Wilhelm Boeddinghaus 01 Aug '23

01 Aug '23

Hi, at the end of my talk during the RIPE86 IPv6 working group I promised to start work on a paper with clear guidance for enterprises to migrate their networks to IPv6. We have often wondere why enterprises do not migrate to IPv6. One possible answer is: They have no time and they lack knowledge. Many IT departments don't have any spare time for reading RFCs. From my understanding these IT departments don't need papers explaining the many possibilites to choose from. They need very clear guidance and examples. I am looking for 3 to 4 people who would like to start working on this with me. Peter Hessler contacted me during the meeting and he offered his help, time and expertise for this project. Thank you, Peter. Best, Wilhelm

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Re: [ipv6-wg] contents of ipv6-wg Digest, Vol 135, Issue 10
by Clodagh Durkan 26 Jun '23

26 Jun '23

Hi Wilhelm, all, I am also really interested in this topic, really suspect it’s not broken for the most enterprises so why invest into what’s a whole new re architecture, skills in-house may also not exist. expensive in people and technology and high risk migration. Gsma announced this year global IOT devices surpassed SIMs this year, both now at 2bn + so change is already coming from the networks. I would really like to contribute however I can, Clodagh.durkan(a)ucdconnect.ie or gmail above Best regards, Clodagh On Thu 15 Jun 2023 at 11:00, <ipv6-wg-request(a)ripe.net> wrote: > Send ipv6-wg mailing list submissions to > ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ipv6-wg-request(a)ripe.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ipv6-wg-owner(a)ripe.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ipv6-wg digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Clear Guidance for Enterprises (Paolo Volpato) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2023 16:08:22 +0000 > From: Paolo Volpato <paolo.volpato(a)huawei.com> > To: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus <wilhelm(a)boeddinghaus.de> > Cc: "ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net" <ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net> > Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises > Message-ID: <2164ac90f1b34e908d39fe008217be7c(a)huawei.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Wilhelm, All, > > I have noticed that some people would be happy to cooperate to your idea > of a paper for IPv6 in enterprises (me included :-) > Wonder if you have thought of any rough plan to start and organize the > work. > > Many thanks > Paolo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus <wilhelm(a)boeddinghaus.de> > Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2023 4:20 PM > To: Paolo Volpato <paolo.volpato(a)huawei.com> > Cc: ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises > > Hi Paolo, > > thanks for your help with this project. > > Lack of budget is of course a problem. But if the IT departments could at > least quantify the budget, this would help. If they have no idea how to > start the project, a budget eastimation is not possible. > > Best, > > Wilhelm > > Am 31.05.2023 um 08:42 schrieb Paolo Volpato via ipv6-wg: > > Hi Wilhelm, > > > > In addition, I would add that they also lack the budget to consider > deploying IPv6, meaning that enterprises don't consider IPv6 as a priority. > > At least, this is what we found during the editing of RFC 9386 on IPv6 > deployment status. > > > > I would be happy to contribute to this effort. > > > > Best regards > > Paolo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ipv6-wg <ipv6-wg-bounces(a)ripe.net> On Behalf Of Wilhelm > > Boeddinghaus > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 6:06 PM > > To: ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net > > Subject: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises > > > > Hi, > > > > at the end of my talk during the RIPE86 IPv6 working group I promised to > start work on a paper with clear guidance for enterprises to migrate their > networks to IPv6. > > > > We have often wondere why enterprises do not migrate to IPv6. One > possible answer is: They have no time and they lack knowledge. Many IT > departments don't have any spare time for reading RFCs. > > > > From my understanding these IT departments don't need papers > explaining the many possibilites to choose from. They need very clear > guidance and examples. > > > > I am looking for 3 to 4 people who would like to start working on this > with me. > > > > Peter Hessler contacted me during the meeting and he offered his help, > time and expertise for this project. Thank you, Peter. > > > > Best, > > > > Wilhelm > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-wg > > > ------------------------------ > > End of ipv6-wg Digest, Vol 135, Issue 10 > **************************************** >

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Not standing as working group chair for another term
by Benedikt Stockebrand 26 Jun '23

26 Jun '23

Hi folks, as I've already said during the working group session in Rotterdam my term as WG chair ends at the next RIPE meeting. Since I find it increasingly difficult to make the WG chair role agree with my daily work profile (too much firefighting, too little of a routine daily schedule), Jen and Ray had to cover for me more often than I am happy with---thanks, and apology, to both of them. As a consequence however it doesn't make any sense if I stood for another term. We'll start the process of finding a successor for me before RIPE 87. If you are interested in taking over the role, and are willing to keep a pretty much daily eye on the mailing list and such, you may already want to think about volunteering for the job. And one more thing: That doesn't mean that I have lost interest in the WG, or in IPv6 as such---in fact, in my opinion we still have some serious work to do eliminating the hidden dependencies on Vintage IP before they bite us in the backside. More about that at RIPE 87 in Rome... Cheers, Benedikt -- Benedikt Stockebrand, Stepladder IT Training+Consulting Dipl.-Inform. http://www.stepladder-it.com/ Business Grade IPv6 --- Consulting, Training, Projects BIVBlog---Benedikt's IT Video Blog: http://www.stepladder-it.com/bivblog/

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IPv6 WG minutes from ripe 86
by Raymond Jetten 13 Jun '23

13 Jun '23

Here are the minutes from the RIPE 86 IPv6 wg session, please let us know if you want anything edited, or they will be published in a week on the website. Date: 24 May 2023, 11:00 - 12:30 (UTC+2) Chairs: Benedikt Stockebrand, Jen Linkova, Raymond Jetten Scribe: Tayfun Ozaltin Status: 1. Welcome Jen Linkova, IPv6 WG Co-chair The presentation is available at: https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/8-RIPE-86-IPv6-WG.… Jen Linkova welcomed everyone and introduced the co-chairs. The RIPE 85 minutes were approved. 1. Advanced IPv6 Course Input Request Tayfun Ozaltin, RIPE NCC The presentation is available at: https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/105-RIPE-86-Slide-… Tayfun Ozaltin, RIPE NCC, asked for input on the advanced IPv6 e-learning course that was being developed. There were no questions. 1. Deploying IPv6 and/or CGNAT Rinse Kloek, Delta Fiber / Kindes The presentation is available at: https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/67-RPE86-IPv6-depl… Rinse explained how their company made a transition from IPv4-only to an IPv6 supporting network. He mentioned the challenges they had during the implementation. Yannis Nikolopulos, Cellmobile, asked who the vendor was and what the real story was behind the denial. Rinse answered that Nokia was the vendor and that they did not support MAP-E and MAP-T. After several rounds of discussions, Rinse could not convince them to support these transition techniques. Yannis asked about the details of the deployment scenario. Rinse replied that they were using CGNAT, so the user was getting an internal IP address, a 164 address, and they were planning to assign the customers a v6 prefix as well. Thomas Schäfer, LMU, asked about the number of users who were already using IPv6 in their network. Rinse answered that they currently had about 50 friendly users (test users). Thomas added that it would be better to bypass internal services with IPv6. Rinse agreed and said that IPv6 was the way to go and that they already had a plan for it. Branimir Rajtar, 5x9 Networks, asked if they had implemented IPv6 in the core network as well or if they used 6PE/6VPE. Rinse answered that everything was dual-stack since day one in both the core and access networks. Peter Hessler, Globalways GmbH, said that the community should encourage people to deploy IPv6 whenever they were ready for it. Brian Storey, Gamma Telecom Limited, asked how long it had taken to reach this state and how they envisioned documenting IPv6 for their customers. Rinse answered that they hope by the end of this year 20% of the users will be IPv6 enabled, and next year it may be 80-100%. Peter Head, Gigaclear, asked for more elaboration on why they filtered the DHCPv6 releases. They decided to follow it up offline. 1. Clear Guidance for Implementing IPv6 in Enterprises Wilhelm Boeddinghaus The presentation is available at: https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/123-RIPE86-IPv6-Wi… Wilhelm Boeddinghaus emphasized the need for clear guidance on IPv6 deployment phases, challenges, and steps, especially for enterprise IT departments. He asked the question, "Can we as the community provide this clear guidance to the enterprises?" Peter Hessler said that he liked the idea and mentioned that it would be hugely beneficial to a lot of enterprises. Marco Davids, SIDN Labs, asked if Wilhelm agreed with him that the working group should also work on getting IPv6 knowledge into schools and universities so that young students have at least some knowledge. Wilhelm agreed. He emphasized that students in universities were still learning IPv4, and we needed to educate young people about IPv6. An audience speaker said that it was not only enterprises but also ISPs who needed to learn about this. He claimed that even big ISPs do not know how IPv6 works. Wilhelm agreed but also claimed that enterprises had many more problems since their core business was not IT. Urban Suhadolnik, TU Graz, agreed with the previous comments about universities. Wilhelm emphasized once again that universities should involve themselves much more in this. Gert Doering, SpaceNet AG, agreed and thanked Wilhelm for bringing up enterprise problems regarding IPv6 transition into the meeting. He added that he would like to help with the new BCOP for enterprises. He said that it will not be easy to pick up and agree on the right solution, but that it should be tried. Wilhelm agreed and said we should also involve enterprise admins in our group. Benedikt Stockebrand said that since most IT people in academia didn't receive any network training at all, it was still the RIPE community's job to spread the word at a level that people without a proper IT background can handle. Jen contributed to this with another online comment indicating that as the adoption of IPv6 increases among enterprises, universities will offer more. Peter Hessler said that for some ISPs, it was not even an option to provide IPv6 connections to enterprises. An audience speaker thanked Wilhelm for his proposal, mentioning how important it was for enterprises. He also said that he would be open to writing, reviewing, and working on documents of the best resources for newcomers and beginners in IPv6 and TCP/IP. Jen mentioned another online comment. Markus said that his students were unwilling to learn IPv6 since they think nobody used it. Jen said that there were different approaches to this depending on the availability of IPv6 in each part of the world. Finally, Jen asked what the next action should be. Wilhelm said that he would send an email to the mailing list to start working on this with people who can contribute. 1. Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations Fernando Gont The presentation is available at: https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/119-ripe86-fgont-i… Fernando Gont presented about the challenges of IPv6 security deployment. He also explained how IPv4 and IPv6 differ in terms of security implementations. Rinse Kloek mentioned that he conducted extensive CPE testing. One issue he encountered was that occasionally services were listening on local addresses, and if one copied the v4 test to the v6 test, it was possible to overlook this aspect. Fernando agreed and said testers did not know about ULA addresses. Benedikt Stockebrand suggested that leaving the IPv4 way of thinking would made things much easier. He added that not using dual-stack would simplify the way of working. Peter Hessler noted that a common mistake while translating IPv4 ACLs into IPv6, which was blocking ICMP as it should not be blocked in IPv6. Jen asked why it was important to care about the size of the prefix you block if it was someone else's network. Fernando answered that he experienced this in a meeting with a large content provider where they were just blocking a single IPv6 address instead of the /64. Fernando added that these kinds of things, which were obvious to this group, might not be obvious to the groups that were implementing rules in the networks. Jen added that with IPv4, it was much worse since you might be blocking many innocent users behind CGN just by blocking a single IPv4 address. 1. Conclusion & Thanks Benedikt Stockebrand announced that his term as the WG chair was ending with the next RIPE meeting, and that he did not want to go for another term. He asked the community if anyone was interested. As the last topic of the WG, Ondrej Caletka, RIPE NCC, asked everybody to test the IPv6-only network and try to identify any issues and report them to the vendors. Raymond , Benedikt, Jen. 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Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises
by Gert Doering 04 Jun '23

04 Jun '23

Hi, On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 07:53:48PM +0000, Ole Troan (otroan) wrote: > Thought experiment. > IPv6 wasn?t invented. > Would we be able to make IPv4 continue to roll down the hill for another 25 years? Whether there's 3 or 4 layers of NAT won't matter much... everything that is not TCP or UDP won't survive, but since The Browser Oligopol seems to be set to move everything into QUIC anyway, we should be fine... It will nicely kill everything that is not Cloud or Rendezvous-Server- based, but there's quite a few parties outside that would consider this a feature. So yes. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279

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(IETF I-D) Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt)
by Fernando Gont 02 Jun '23

02 Jun '23

Folks, The IETF OPSEC WG has adopted our IETF I-D entitled "Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations". This is the same material I presented at the last IPv6 WG meeting in Rotterdam (https://ripe86.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ipv6-wg/) The IETF-ID is available at: * TXT: <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt> * HTML: <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing> We have tried to make the document as practical as possible for anyone doing security operations. Your comments and suggestions will be highly appreciated. P.S.: Thanks to those of you that sent feedback for previous revision of this document, by the way! Regards, Fernando -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2023 07:26:18 -0700 From: internet-drafts(a)ietf.org To: Fernando Gont <fgont(a)si6networks.com>, Guillermo Gont <ggont(a)si6networks.com> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Fernando Gont and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing Revision: 00 Title: Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations Document date: 2023-06-02 Group: opsec Pages: 13 URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing/ Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-addressing Abstract: The increased address availability provided by IPv6 has concrete implications on security operations. This document discusses such implications, and sheds some light on how existing security operations techniques and procedures might need to be modified accommodate the increased IPv6 address availability. The IETF Secretariat

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IPv6-mostly IPv6-only(with dns64/nat64) dual stack at RIPE-meeting
by Thomas Schäfer 27 May '23

27 May '23

Hi, during the closing plenary were considerations to remove the IPv6-only(with dns64/nat64) network/ssid the next time. I would vote for that. IPv6-mostly covers the traditional IPv6-only. Someone made the proposal to provide a real "ipv6 only" net/ssid instead (without nat64) My first thought was: Never, it will the people just frustrate. My second thought was: Let's try it! After the first shock - only 50% of the websites support IPv6 - we should provide tips for testing: - using public dns64 with own nat64 address space - VPN, the public ones like apple privacy relay, cloudflare warp ... - VPN, own organisation/company like eduvpn for NREN (e.g. DFN supports it, other institutes too, cisco anyconnect... -VPN personal, like wireguard/ipsec to AVMs fritzbox and others, openvpn NAS/ own setups Last but not least I propose to provide that special DNS-resolver: https://gitlab.com/miyurusankalpa/IPv6-dns-server It increases the amount of IPv6 capable destinations. Regards, Thomas

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FW: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 policy - 2nd prioritisation and outcomes discussion webinar
by Raymond Jetten 27 Mar '23

27 Mar '23

Just to let the IPv6WG know, there is an ongoing discussion on the next steps in IPv6 policy work at the Address Policy working group please see below for details, and of course feel free to participate in this important matter. Rgds, Ray For Internal Use Only -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces(a)ripe.net> On Behalf Of Leo Vegoda Sent: tiistai 21. maaliskuuta 2023 23.48 To: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 policy - 2nd prioritisation and outcomes discussion webinar At RIPE 85 we continued a review of the IPv6 policy that began at RIPE 83. Several areas for improvement were agreed. We promised to host an inter-sessional webinar to discuss priorities and the outcomes to work towards. We held the first webinar on Monday, 20 February 2023. You can read a summary of what was discussed on RIPE Labs. A full recording and minutes are published on the interim sessions page. - https://labs.ripe.net/author/leo_vegoda/next-steps-in-ipv6-policy-work/ - https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/active-wg/ap/interim-sessions The second webinar will take place on Tuesday, 11 April at 13:30 UTC (15:30 CEST). If you want to help us set priorities and define the outcomes the community needs you are welcome to join. Join Zoom Meeting https://ripe.zoom.us/j/93730573273?pwd=eWJ1WEEzSzVSSEJNKy9JeXk0L3RqZz09 Leo Vegoda for the Address Policy WG co-chairs -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg

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Call for presentations IPv6 WG @RIPE86
by Raymond Jetten 27 Mar '23

27 Mar '23

Hello All, RIPE 86 will take place from 22-26 May 2023 in a hybrid format in which online and onsite participants can interact with each other using a common platform. The onsite event will take place in Rotterdam, Netherlands. For both cases you can register here: https://ripe86.ripe.net/attend/register/ The IPv6 Working Group session is scheduled for Thursday 25 May from 11:00 . 12:30 (UTC+1) (however it still may change) We are looking for presentations - please email : ipv6-wg-chair (at) ripe.net if you'd like to present. Please also state if you intend to be online or onsite, and the duration of your presentation, and a short description of it. Once we have decided on the agenda, we'll contact the presenters. Hope to see many of you, On behalf of the IPv6-WG Benedikt, Jen, Ray For Internal Use Only

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(IETF I-D): Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt)
by Fernando Gont 05 Feb '23

05 Feb '23

Hi, All, Recently, I happened to participate in an IPv6 deployment meeting with some large content provider, and said meeting included a discussion about how to mitigate some attacks using block-lists. These folks argued that they ban offending IPv6 addresses as /128s, following IPv4 practices. So it seemed to me that some of the implications arising from the increased IPv6 address space were non-obvious to them. -- that has been the motivation for the publication of this document. * TXT: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt * HTML: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.html Comments welcome! P.S.: The document is targeted at the IETF opsec wg (https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec) but I'll be happy to discuss it on this mailing-list, off-list, or at the opsec wg mailing-list... Thanks! Regards, Fernando -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 19:48:40 -0800 From: internet-drafts(a)ietf.org To: Fernando Gont <fgont(a)si6networks.com>, Guillermo Gont <ggont(a)si6networks.com> A new version of I-D, draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Fernando Gont and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing Revision: 00 Title: Implications of IPv6 Addressing on Security Operations Document date: 2023-02-02 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 8 URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing/ Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-addressing Abstract: The increased address availability provided by IPv6 has concrete implications on security operations. This document discusses such implications, and sheds some light on how existing security operations techniques and procedures might need to be modified accommodate the increased IPv6 address availability. The IETF Secretariat

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New on RIPE Labs: IPv6 Policy Is a Community Self-Governance Success Story
by Alun Davies 30 Jan '23

30 Jan '23

Dear colleagues, The RIPE Address Policy Working Group invites the community to join the conversation on the next phase of IPv6 policy. In this new article on RIPE Labs, Leo Vegoda talks about the success of the policy so far and the process that is underway in order to determine whether there’s need for change: https://labs.ripe.net/author/leo_vegoda/ipv6-policy-is-a-community-self-gov… Best regards, Alun Davies RIPE Labs Editor RIPE NCC

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Pv6 policy - prioritisation and outcomes discussion webinar
by Raymond Jetten 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

Dear IPv6-WG list members, Below an invite from the Address Policy Working Group, to an IPv6 address policy webinar. Kind regards, Ray From: Leo Vegoda <leo(a)vegoda.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 10:14 Subject: IPv6 policy - prioritisation and outcomes discussion webinar To: <address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net> At RIPE 85 we continued a review of the IPv6 policy that began at RIPE 83. Several areas for improvement were agreed. We promised to host an inter-sessional webinar to discuss priorities and the outcomes to work towards. The identified areas for improvement include: - Better guidance on documentation requirements for large allocations - Simpler language for the HD-ratio - Make it easier for small networks to assign a few addresses to other organisations - Ensure allocations always fall on a nibble boundary If you wants to help us set priorities and define the outcomes the community needs you are welcome to join. Monday, 20 February 2023 at 13:00 UTC (14:00 CET). Join Zoom Meeting https://ripe.zoom.us/j/94307989734?pwd=YytnQm53SjJEWUtKemxQM3dGcjZmQT09 Meeting ID: 943 0798 9734 Passcode: 339420 Leo Vegoda for the Address Policy WG co-chairs For Internal Use Only

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