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Request for approval of the minutes for the session at RIPE-60
by Marco Hogewoning 18 Jun '10

18 Jun '10

Please find attached the minutes of our last WG session, which was held during the RIPE-60 meeting in Prague. The minutes will be declared final if no objections, except for minor editorial corrections that will be fixed before publication, will be received by the end of Wednesday June 16th, 2010 in a timezone of your choice. Thanks to Vesna and Amanda from the NCC for scribing and preparing these minutes. Feedback is welcome on this list or if you prefer a less public method via ipv6-wg-chair(a)ripe.net. Greetings, Marco Hogewoning -- IPv6 Working Group Minutes from RIPE 60 Status: Draft Revision: 1.1 WG Co-chairs: David Kessens, Marco Hogewoning Scribe: Vesna Manojlovic (RIPE NCC) Date: Tuesday, 4 May 2010, Time: 16:00 - 18:00 A. Administrative items Introduction IPv6 co-Chair, David Kessens, welcomed the participants. New Chairs David introduced two new co-chairs: Marco Hogewoning (XS4ALL) & Shane Kerr (ISC). The new email address to reach all three co-chairs is: Ipv6-wg-chair(a)ripe.net New Charter David discussed that following RIPE 59 in Lisbon, a new charter was suggested and discussed on the mailing list. A consensus was reached on the mailing list. The charter has four focal points: outreach, education, sharing deployment experiences, and discussing and fixing operational issues. RIPE 59 Minutes Minutes from the previous WG meeting were published to the list. There were no comments and the minutes from RIPE 59 were approved. B. Java script-based HTTP Client Measurements (IPv6 at Web Clients and Caching Resolvers) Emile Aben from the RIPE NCC gave a presentation on JavaScript-based HTTP Client Measurements. The presentation is available at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-60/presentations/Aben-IPv6_at_web_cl…> Link to the articles on the RIPE Labs: <http://labs.ripe.net/content/measuring-ipv6-web-clients-and-caching-resolve…> <http://labs.ripe.net/content/measuring-ipv6-web-clients-and-caching-resolve…> <http://labs.ripe.net/content/measuring-ipv6-web-clients-and-caching-resolve…> C. IETF v6ops activity Kurt Lindquist from Netnod gave a presentation on the IETF v6ops activity. The presentation is available at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-60/presentations/Lindqvist-IETF_v6op…> IETF v6ops WG does not produce standards; produce documentation on BCP. We invite everyone to join the mailing lists discussions. D. CPE Overview Marco Hogewoning from XS4ALL gave a CPE overview. The presentation is available at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-60/presentations/Hogewoning-IPv6_CPE…> Remco van Mook said Linksys does 6to4. It is undocumented. Lookup the presentation from NANOG from last year. Marco asked for a request for feedback, if there was any interest and if anyone would volunteer for testing. Lars mentioned that there was one Marco didn't mention: Mikrotik 5.0 beta is out, supports PPPoE. Marco asked if it didn't do ADSL interfaces. Lars said that was indeed the case. Wolfgang Tremmel from DE-CIX asked who is using which CPE. AVM 4 Cisco (a lot) Lynsix ? Native? Tunnels? Daniel Karrenberg from the RIPE NCC stated they were interested in publishing this, not only from meeting to meeting, but continuously. He then suggested doing a similar survey for the pre-packaged firewall deal. E. IPv6 Worldwide Policy Review Filiz Yilmaz from the RIPE NCC gave a presentation on IPv6 world-wide policy review. The presentation is available at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-60/presentations/Yilmaz-IPv6_WorldWi…> Filiz said that policy is not normally discussed in the working group, but that they want to make sure people are up-to-date with the policy. She said that people are deploying v6 now, and the policy was written a decade ago. She added that policy is trying to catch up with the operational experience and that there were two main issues: site definition, and routing practices. Filiz mentioned that there is a new article published on the differences between v6 and v4 PI policies. F. Mobile broadband and IPv6 in Slovenia Jan Zorz from go6.si gave a presentation on IPv6 in Slovenia. The presentation is available at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-60/presentations/Zorz-Mobile_broadba…> Marco Hogewoning asked if it was capable of both IPv4 and IPv6 or if you had to choose. Jan replied that it could do both, but it makes one and then closes down the PPP and makes another one. He said that at the same time, on the same phone, you couldn’t have a look at two different websites on both v4 and v6. An attendee asked if there was roaming. Jan replied that Tusmobil was very small and didn’t cover the whole country, but that Mobitel had roaming. Marco Hogewoning mentioned a last-minute agenda item: Martin Levy from Hurricane Electric would present for a few minutes on their BGP Toolkit. X. Hurricane Electric’s BGP Toolkit Martin Levy from Hurricane Electric gave an update on BGP Toolkit. There was no presentation, but more information can be found at: <http://Bgp.he.net> Martin said they do daily processing of RIS & Routeviews data. You can do searches on ASs, prefixes, etc. He added that everything was v4 & v6 related. He said they added the “graphing”. (as1273). He mentioned that it gives you the ability to see how are customer routes seen from the rest of the Internet. Martin asked for feedback. G. Update on Recent RIPE NCC IPv6 Activity Chris Buckridge from the RIPE NCC gave an update on RIPE NCC IPv6 activity. The presentation is available at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-60/presentations/Buckridge-Update_on…> Paul Rendek from the RIPE NCC commented that they had a 5 days-long hands-on IPv6 workshop in Bahrain. He said that the next v6 workshops would be in UAE, Jordan, Syria & Istanbul with MENOG. H. IPv6-wg brainstorming Marco Hogewoning then opened up a brainstorming session on IPv6. He mentioned several issues to consider: Where do we go from here? Where should we focus on? Outreach? New audiences or areas? Education? Do we need any? What do we need?Cooperation ? Platform for technical issues? Other organisations? Kurt Lindquist from Netnod mentioned that at a Netnod customer meeting, Ole told us about Broadband forum and standardisation. He said that more of that would be outreach and education at the same time. Marco asked that if anyone knew of people that deployed IPv6 to come to the IPv6 Working Group and share their achievements. Jan Zorz commented that people needed to start ‘walking the walk’. Find people who can present stuff that is actually working. He commented on the need for more operational talks. Geoff Huston said that very few folks who run big networks want to do any research about v6. He asked how can we take the measurements tools and put them on the high-traffic sites? How do we engage in the useful measurements? If the 5% is the real number of End Sites that are IPv6-capable, then we have reached the goal. But is the number really 5%? Marco commented that the measurements could be done on the tax-office sites. That gives you Joe Average. Geoff replied that 1.6% path MTU failure rate wasn’t good enough, that it had to be 0%. He said there was a way to do it go for a smaller MTU on the server. He then said that his other wish was for someone to make Java script that worked in every browser (most importantly in the Explorer), and loads in the background. He asked for volunteers. Daniel Karrenberg from the RIPE NCC said that according to the EU Council presentation that morning: “Naming and Shaming works on the country level”. He encouraged people to participate in those measurements, even if the tools weren’t perfect. He added that he would really like if Emile Aben from the RIPE NCC had 5 to 10 commitments from around our region for the web sites to host our script. He said the RIPE NCC needed to be able to present the data to people who are making business decisions, and national policy makers. Kurt Keiser said that IPv6 is about global connectivity and continued connectivity. He asked what happens with v4 clients that can not be upgraded? He would like to see a listing of devices that can not be upgraded (for example, nuclear power plants). Kurt Lindquist said it would be good to have a standardised way of collecting data. He added that there were big web-sites in every county, for example, in Sweden there is Pirate Bay. He said that those guys would be happy to share their statistics. He said he was there was someone in each country to talk to. Marco said that not everyone wanted to share how many visitors they had. But he hopes they can show a percentage of usage [over IPv6] without showing numbers. Jamie Stallwood said that the IPv6 Ripeness presented today was interesting. He added that it would be good if the info could distinguish between edge ASs and the big, transit ones. Also the regional overview would be interesting. For example, in UK the big transit providers don’t do v6. Emile Aben from the RIPE NCC said the suggestions would be considered. Alex Band from the RIPE NCC said that he’d talked with hundreds of people as a Trainer and that there didn’t seem to be one place with practical information for small ISPs. What are the steps? Practical experiences? He said that once they had experience, they would share it. Alex said a platform needed to be created to do that. David added that such information was available in 6bone Database, like where to ping to check if the things are working. He said that was all gone now because the 6bone didn’t exist any more. Alex Band from the RIPE NCC mentioned a presentation Marco Hogewoning did about XS4All’s practical information about their network setup, some tricks and tips, and that when it was showed during RIPE NCC training courses, it was really appreciated. David asked if he was looking for the internal information. Marco said he received good feedback about his slides, and Mirjam Kuehne from the RIPE NCC said that they might add an IPv6 section on RIPE Labs. Marco made a request to the community: If you have those deployment scenarios and are willing to share your address plan, share the data by sending the link to the mailing list. Aaron Hughes from 6connect, Inc., said they are working with ARIN and NANOG on a site where authors and readers can manage living documents, with an interface that allows you to search through documents. The mailing list is: Bcp-discuss(a)bind.com; there will be a BOF at NANOG 49 to agree on this. Marco mentioned that he is also working on a registration need for IPv6 space. He said it would be discussed in the Address Policy WG. David Kessens asked the audience if it wanted to set up the IPv6 meetings in a different format, like tutorials or a Plenary or a v6-only day. He asked the attendees to give feedback. Marco added that there would be one more global IPv6 survey. He instructed the audience to approach Maarten Botterman from GNKS Consult if you anyone was interested. He said the survey would be sent to the IPv6 WG mailing list. Y. Input for the RIPE NCC Activity Plan Z. AOB & wrap-up Marco ended the session.

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i.root-servers.net with AAAA
by Lindqvist Kurt Erik 18 Jun '10

18 Jun '10

Just FYI, as of last night Perhaps not for the IETF but as FYI, as of last night ; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> i.root-servers.net aaaa ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 47604 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 13, ADDITIONAL: 14 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;i.root-servers.net. IN AAAA ;; ANSWER SECTION: i.root-servers.net. 604635 IN AAAA 2001:7fe::53 Best regards, - kurtis -

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Reminder: Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey
by Paul Rendek 17 Jun '10

17 Jun '10

[Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues, This is a reminder to participate in the 2010 Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey being conducted by GNKS Consult and TNO, in collaboration with the RIPE NCC. The survey is now available at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/IPv6deploymentmonitoring2010 The survey will close on 1 July 2010. All five Regional Internet Registries have committed to soliciting participation in this survey in order to compile the most complete global IPv6 deployment data possible. The goal of the survey is to gain a better understanding of where the community is moving, and what can be done to ensure the Internet community is ready for the widespread adoption of IPv6. We encourage all organisations in the RIPE NCC service region to participate in this survey, which we hope will establish a comprehensive view of present IPv6 penetration and future plans for IPv6 deployment. The survey is composed of 23 questions and can be completed in about 15 minutes. For those without IPv6 allocations or assignments, or who have not yet deployed IPv6, the questions will be fewer in number. Results of the IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey will be presented and discussed at RIPE 61, which will be held 15-19 November in Rome, Italy. Results will also be published on IPv6 Act Now: http://ipv6actnow.org Please provide your name and contact information on the survey form if you wish to receive the draft survey analysis when available. Please also indicate whether you are willing to share additional data with the TNO and GNKS Consult IPv6 Deployment Monitoring team. Any questions concerning the survey itself should be addressed to <info(a)gnksconsult.com >. Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communications RIPE NCC

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"IPv6 Ripeness" follow-up measurements on RIPE Labs
by Mirjam Kuehne 09 Jun '10

09 Jun '10

[apologies for duplicates] Dear colleagues, As a follow-up to the IPv6 Ripeness measurements done earlier (http://labs.ripe.net/content/ipv6-ripeness), we did some more analysis and looked at the age and size of the LIRs and the industry sector they are in. Please find the details on RIPE Labs: http://labs.ripe.net/content/ipv6-ripeness-sequel As always, any comments or suggestions are welcome. You can send us email or post your comments in the forum: http://labs.ripe.net/content/ipv6-ripeness-0 Kind Regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE NCC

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Announcement: RIPE NCC Training Courses
by Training 03 Jun '10

03 Jun '10

[Apologies for duplicate e-mails] Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC invites you to register for one of our upcoming training courses: - The LIR Training Course This course teaches LIRs how to request Internet number resources and interact with the RIPE NCC. A course outline is available at: http://www.ripe.net/training/lir/outline.html - The Routing Registry Training Course This course teaches LIRs how to use the RIPE Database for routing. A course outline is available at: http://www.ripe.net/training/rr/outline.html - The IPv6 Training Course This course teaches LIRs about the need for IPv6 and includes basic information on how to plan your deployment. A course outline is available at: http://www.ripe.net/training/ipv6/outline.html To see the location of upcoming courses and to register, please use the LIR Portal or complete the registration form on our website at: RIPE NCC Upcoming Courses List & Registration https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/training/course-list.html If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at <training(a)ripe.net>. Kind regards, Rumy Kanis Training Services Manager RIPE NCC

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"IPv6 Ripeness" measurements on RIPE Labs
by Mirjam Kuehne 02 Jun '10

02 Jun '10

Dear colleagues, We looked at the "IPv6 ripeness" of all LIRs in the RIPE NCC service region. This was initially created to adjust our IPv6 training course depending on the country we are in. However, we felt this might also be valuable in a bigger context. Please find the results and methodology on RIPE Labs: http://labs.ripe.net/content/ipv6-ripeness We would be interested to hear what you think about this idea in general and if you have any suggestions on how to modify or improve this. Kind Regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE NCC

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2010 IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey Now Underway
by Paul Rendek 02 Jun '10

02 Jun '10

[Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues, As announced at RIPE 60 in Prague, GNKS Consult and TNO are working with the RIPE NCC to repeat the 2009 survey on the current and future use of IPv6 throughout the RIPE NCC service region. The IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey is now online, and we encourage all members of the RIPE community to participate: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/IPv6deploymentmonitoring2010 The purpose of the survey is to better understand where the community is moving, and what can be done to ensure the Internet community is ready for the widespread adoption of IPv6. As it is mostly the same as the survey carried out in 2009, comparison of progress will be possible. In addition, RIPE community participation will contribute to a better understanding of the global situation, as APNIC, AfriNIC and LACNIC will also send out the request to participate to their communities. We encourage all organisations in the RIPE NCC service region to participate in this survey, which we hope will establish a comprehensive view of present IPv6 penetration and future plans for IPv6 deployment. The survey is composed of 23 questions and can be completed in about 15 minutes. For those without IPv6 allocations or assignments, or who have not yet deployed IPv6, the questions will be fewer in number. The survey will close on 1 July 2010. Results of the IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey will be presented and discussed at RIPE 61, which will be held 15-19 November in Rome, Italy. Results will also be published on IPv6 Act Now: http://ipv6actnow.org Please provide your name and contact information on the survey form if you wish to receive the draft survey analysis when available. Please also indicate whether you are willing to share additional data with the TNO and GNKS Consult IPv6 Deployment Monitoring team. We appreciate your time and interest in completing this survey. If you have any questions concerning the survey, please send an email to <info(a)gnksconsult.com >. Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communications RIPE NCC

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IPv6 CPE Survey on RIPE Labs
by Mirjam Kuehne 02 Jun '10

02 Jun '10

[apologies for duplicates] Dear colleagues, At the recent RIPE Meeting in Prague, Marco Hogewoning presented the IPv6 CPE survey he conducted among various vendors. The results are now published on RIPE Labs. You can find it on the home page http://labs.ripe.net or you can go directly to: http://labs.ripe.net/content/ipv6-cpe-survey In order to keep this survey up to date, we are looking for feedback: If you have access to a testbed, are already running tests of your own or if you spot an error, please leave a comment in the IPv6 CPE Survey forum: http://labs.ripe.net/content/ipv6-cpe-survey-0 or contact us on labs(a)ripe.net Kind Regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE NCC

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Address space analysis
by Peter van Eijk 25 May '10

25 May '10

Hello all, You might be interested in my circleid post: http://www.circleid.com/posts/20100524_the_digital_divide_on_ip_addresses/ The version on http://www.petersgriddle.net also has an embedded spreadsheet. Regards Peter van Eijk, +31 6 2268 4939, peter @ digitalinfrastructures.nl

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Today's xkcd
by Shane Kerr 19 May '10

19 May '10

http://xkcd.com/742/ I think I'm going to have nightmares... -- Shane

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