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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Call for agenda items RIPE49 & draft agenda (v1)
by David Kessens 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

Please see below for the first version of the draft agenda. As usual, we don't have enough interesting topics (yet). That is bad news and good news: I need your help in finding interesting topics but the good news is that we will have time to accommodate your suggestions. Let me know if you want to volunteer for an agenda topic, but also feel free to suggest a topic that I or the list might know volunteers for. Thanks, David Kessens --- Updated agenda for the IPv6 Working Group Meeting RIPE49 When: 14:00 - 18:00, Wednesday September 22, 2004 Where: Medici Room, Renaissance Hotel, Manchester, UK A. Administrative stuff - appointment of scribe - agenda bashing (David Kessens) B. Global IPv6 routing table status (Gert Doering) C. Report(s) about *actual* v6 traffic volume as compared to v4? *what's real* out there, not what's on powerpoint? (input from the audience) D. What are the deployment plans behind the larger ipv6 allocations ? o TeliaSonera (Mikael Lind) E. Developments/initiatives regarding IPv6 in the RIPE region and beyond (input from the audience) F. Input for the RIPE NCC Activity Plan (input from the audience) Z. AOB ---

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] DNS Weather Report 2004-08-31
by Daniel Roesen 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

[sorry! resent, wrong subject date!] DNS WEATHER REPORT for selected infrastructure zones ==================================================== Issue 2004-08-31 Zones analyzed and their SOA contacts: - . - arpa. nstld(a)verisign-grs.com - int. noc(a)icann.org - in-addr.arpa bind(a)arin.net - ip6.arpa. hostmaster(a)icann.org - ip6.int. hostmaster(a)ep.net [Operators: please let me know wether you do want a copy when there's no problem with your zone(s) or not. Don't want to annoy anyone unnecessarily!] Executive summary: * m.root out-of-sync problem got fixed within one hour after I've sent out report 2004-08-24. Thanks WIDE! * The INT problem with the non-matching NS RRset (in-zone and delegation) was also fixed. Unfortunately ns.isi.edu is _still_ out of sync. * The IP6.ARPA NS RRset discrepancy got worse over the last week. * ns.isi.edu is _still_ auth for IP6.INT where it shouldn't be. The state of the root zone =========================== fine! The state of the ARPA zone ========================== fine! The state of the INT zone ========================= - ns.isi.edu is not in sync with the other nameservers Current SOA serial of the INT TLD: 2004082300, ns.isi.edu has still 2002080104 and is publishing stale data (e.g. an old NS RRset for the zone). Problem exists since at least 2004-08-24 The state of the IN-ADDR.ARPA zone ================================== fine! The state of the IP6.ARPA zone ============================== - in-zone NS RRset doesn't match the delegation NS RRset. in-zone RRset: delegation RRset: ---------------- ----------------- ns.apnic.net. ns.apnic.net. ns.icann.org. ns.icann.org. ns-sec.ripe.net. ns.ripe.net. tinnie.arin.net. tinnie.arin.net. ns.lacnic.net. Problem known, RIPE sent a reminder to ip6.arpa operators two weeks ago, obviously without any outcome. Since the last DNS weather report last week, ns.lacnic.net. was added. Looks like now at least two change requests for the ip6.arpa delegation are pending. Problem exists since in various degrees since at least 2004-08-24 The state of the IP6.INT zone ============================= - ns.isi.edu (one of the INT TLD servers) feels authoritative for the IP6.INT zone, but is neither listed in the delegation NS RRset, nor in the in-zone NS RRset of IP6.INT. Luckily, ns.isi.edu carries ip6.int with the same SOA serial as the official servers, so induces no operational problems so far. Problem exists since at least 2004-08-24 Regards, Daniel

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] DNS Weather Report 2004-08-24
by Daniel Roesen 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

DNS WEATHER REPORT for selected infrastructure zones ==================================================== Issue 2004-08-31 Zones analyzed and their SOA contacts: - . - arpa. nstld(a)verisign-grs.com - int. noc(a)icann.org - in-addr.arpa bind(a)arin.net - ip6.arpa. hostmaster(a)icann.org - ip6.int. hostmaster(a)ep.net [Operators: please let me know wether you do want a copy when there's no problem with your zone(s) or not. Don't want to annoy anyone unnecessarily!] Executive summary: * m.root out-of-sync problem got fixed within one hour after I've sent out report 2004-08-24. Thanks WIDE! * The INT problem with the non-matching NS RRset (in-zone and delegation) was also fixed. Unfortunately ns.isi.edu is _still_ out of sync. * The IP6.ARPA NS RRset discrepancy got worse over the last week. * ns.isi.edu is _still_ auth for IP6.INT where it shouldn't be. The state of the root zone =========================== fine! The state of the ARPA zone ========================== fine! The state of the INT zone ========================= - ns.isi.edu is not in sync with the other nameservers Current SOA serial of the INT TLD: 2004082300, ns.isi.edu has still 2002080104 and is publishing stale data (e.g. an old NS RRset for the zone). Problem exists since at least 2004-08-24 The state of the IN-ADDR.ARPA zone ================================== fine! The state of the IP6.ARPA zone ============================== - in-zone NS RRset doesn't match the delegation NS RRset. in-zone RRset: delegation RRset: ---------------- ----------------- ns.apnic.net. ns.apnic.net. ns.icann.org. ns.icann.org. ns-sec.ripe.net. ns.ripe.net. tinnie.arin.net. tinnie.arin.net. ns.lacnic.net. Problem known, RIPE sent a reminder to ip6.arpa operators two weeks ago, obviously without any outcome. Since the last DNS weather report last week, ns.lacnic.net. was added. Looks like now at least two change requests for the ip6.arpa delegation are pending. Problem exists since in various degrees since at least 2004-08-24 The state of the IP6.INT zone ============================= - ns.isi.edu (one of the INT TLD servers) feels authoritative for the IP6.INT zone, but is neither listed in the delegation NS RRset, nor in the in-zone NS RRset of IP6.INT. Luckily, ns.isi.edu carries ip6.int with the same SOA serial as the official servers, so induces no operational problems so far. Problem exists since at least 2004-08-24 Regards, Daniel

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: IANA to RIR IPv6 Allocation
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

>> My proposal would be that IANA would have to perform the subsequent >> allocation within this 30 day period, even if they might not be able to >> obtain advice or an expertise (for whatever reason) from any other party >> they might have decided to ask for advice. > >sure, if we can we do the same for rir to lir No problem with that, although I don't see the need for global coordination here. To me this sounds like a RIR-Customer service-contract aspect. Wilfried.

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Re: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] RE: [address-policy-wg] Re: IANA to RIR ipv6 Allocation
by Iljitsch van Beijnum 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

On 24-aug-04, at 4:48, Jeff Williams wrote: > Iljitsch and all, ^^^^^ No kidding... > None of this addresses the outstanding problems with Ipv6 or ipv6 > allocation concerns and existing as well as discussed problems. > They are "at least" the following: I don't think I get what you're talking about. > 1. ) Invalid or incorrect minimal allocation. What is invalid or incorrect here? > 2.) Still existing cost increases for allocations. What cost? > 3.) Still existing security/privacy "holes" in ipv6 What holes? There is no difference with IPv4. > 4.) Routing notification for new allocation practice or method. What on Earth is a "routing notification"? > 5.) Routing table maintenance Best practices and/or policy, Well, there is some of this but since the RIRs seem to have trouble living up to their own policies this is problematic. (See http://www.bgpexpert.com/archive2003q4.php ) > and enforcement of same. Yes, we don't do this in the internet. (And go fix the IPv4 table first if you feel so inclined.) > 6.) Dealing with "Dark" existing and/or future allocated addresses. Again, I have no idea what you're talking about. Now if we could have a mechanism to determine resolving DNS servers automatically in IPv6 and have visible IPv6 addresses for the root DNS servers we'd be well on our way. And of course we still need multihoming in IPv4 and the IETF has to quit rewriting the RFCs all the time. > Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I know what I wrote, so P L E A S E don't repeat it in its entirety!!! I'm really getting sick and tired of people who are too lazy to quote in a decent manner.

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] DNS Weather Report 2004-08-24
by Daniel Roesen 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

DNS WEATHER REPORT for selected infrastructure zones ==================================================== Issue 2004-08-24 Zones analyzed and their SOA contacts: - . nstld(a)verisign-grs.com - arpa. nstld(a)verisign-grs.com - int. noc(a)icann.org - in-addr.arpa bind(a)arin.net - ip6.arpa. hostmaster(a)icann.org - ip6.int. hostmaster(a)ep.net Executive summary: not a single zone without any problems, but ip6.int situation improved significantly. The state of the root zone =========================== - m.root-servers.net is lagging behind the others... general SOA serial is 2004082201, m.root has 2004082101 The state of the ARPA zone ========================== - same SOA serial problem as in the root zone, m.root out-of-sync. Interestingly, all the same SOA serial numbers as the root zone (coincidence?) The state of the INT zone ========================= - in-zone NS RRset doesn't match the delegation NS RRset. in-zone RRset: delegation RRset: ns0.ja.net. ns0.ja.net. ns1.cs.ucl.ac.uk. ns1.cs.ucl.ac.uk. ns.icann.org. ns.icann.org. ns.isi.edu. ns.isi.edu. ns.uu.net. ns.uu.net. ns.ripe.net. z.ip6.int. - ns.isi.edu started to be auth again (was lame a few days ago), but is not in sync. current SOA serial of the INT TLD: 2004080300, ns.isi.edu has 2002080104 The state of the IN-ADDR.ARPA zone ================================== - same problem with m.root as with the root zone. m.root seems to lag exactly one day behind, judging from the SOA serial number. The state of the IP6.ARPA zone ============================== - in-zone NS RRset doesn't match the delegation NS RRset. in-zone RRset: delegation RRset: ns.apnic.net. ns.apnic.net. ns.icann.org. ns.icann.org. ns-sec.ripe.net. ns.ripe.net. tinnie.arin.net. tinnie.arin.net. Problem known, RIPE sent a reminder to ip6.arpa operators a week ago, obviously without any outcome. The state of the IP6.INT zone ============================= - ns.isi.edu (one of the INT TLD servers) feels authoritative for the IP6.INT zone, but is neither listed in the delegation NS RRset, nor in the in-zone NS RRset of IP6.INT. Luckily, ns.isi.edu carries ip6.int with the same SOA serial as the official servers, so introduces no operational problems so far. Regards, Daniel

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Re: IANA to RIR IPv6 Allocation
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 21 Aug '04

21 Aug '04

I've got one comment here on section 7. paragraph 4. "Subsequent Allocation": While the wording might be sufficiently clear for a native speaker by referring to "set of administrative procedures....", I am missing clear guidance for the IANA that there should _not_ be any incentive or responsibilty to consult with other groups, entities or third parties (irrespective of their, say, credibility for e.g. protocol development or technical specifications) which would require extending that 30 day period. My proposal would be that IANA would have to perform the subsequent allocation within this 30 day period, even if they might not be able to obtain advice or an expertise (for whatever reason) from any other party they might have decided to ask for advice. Wilfried ( https://cert.aco.net/ ) _________________________________:_____________________________________ Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at UniVie Computer Center - ACOnet : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB: WW144, PGP keyID 0xF0ACB369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...there's no place like 127.0.0.1 (or ::1/128 ?) From: David Kessens <david.kessens(a)nokia.com> To: Jeroen Massar <jeroen(a)unfix.org> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:48:52 -0700 CC: ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net] FW: [arin-council] IANA to RIR IPv6 Allocation Jeroen, On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:25:59AM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > For people not on the arin-council (not likely ;) or the ppml@arin > lists: All policy discussions for the RIPE region are now conducted at the RIPE policy working group maillist: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net David Kessens --- > -----Forwarded Message----- > From: "Sweeting, John" <John.Sweeting(a)teleglobe.com> > To: 'ppml(a)arin.net' <ppml(a)arin.net> > Subject: [ppml] FW: [arin-council] IANA to RIR IPv6 Allocation > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:36:56 -0400 > > I am submitting the following proposal IAW ARIN's Internet Resource Policy > Evaluation Process. In the interest of all I would like to disclose up front > that the information used to prepare this template was provided by ARIN > staff. > > > ############################################ > Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-1.0 > > 1. Policy Proposal Name: Allocation of IPv6 Address Space by the Internet > Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Policy to Regional Internet Registries > > 2. Author > > a. name: John Sweeting > b. email: john.sweeting(a)teleglobe.com > c. telephone: 703-766-3042 > d. organization: ARIN Advisory Council > > 3. Proposal Version: 1 > > 4. Submission Date: 8/17/04 > > 5. Proposal type: new, global > > 6. Policy term: permanent > > 7. Policy statement: > > 1. Minimum Allocation Size. > > The minimum size of any allocation of IPv6 address space from IANA to an RIR > is prefix length /12. If this address space is not sufficient to meet the > needs of an RIR for a projected 18 month period, IANA shall allocate to that > RIR the address space for which it can provide justification. > > 2. Reservation of Unicast Address space. > > 2.1 IANA. By RFC 3513 the IANA has been allocated the range of IPv6 > addresses beginning at binary value 001 (prefix length /3) for its > allocations of unicast address space. In order to support regional > aggregation of IPv6 address space IANA shall establish a reservation of a > prefix length of /6 from this space for each established RIR and for each > emerging RIR. Allocations to each RIR will be from the appropriate > reservation. > > 2.2. RIRs. Each RIR may apply its own respective chosen allocation and > reservation strategy in order to meet the needs of its community and to > ensure the efficiency and efficacy of its work. Such reservations made by > an RIR will be considered as being allocated by that RIR when that RIR > applies for an allocation of address space from the IANA. > > 3. Initial Allocation. > > 3.1. Upon implementation of this policy IANA shall allocate to each > established RIR a /12 from the reservation established for each particular > RIR. > > 3.2. Upon recognition of an RIR by ICANN that RIR shall receive a /12 from > the reservation set aside for that RIR. > > > 4. Subsequent Allocation. > > An RIR shall be eligible for an allocation of at least a minimal allocation > from the IANA when its current holdings are less than 50% of its 18 month > requirement or when it has less than 180 days of holdings available. The > IANA shall evaluate the requested allocation using a set of administrative > procedures that are mutually agreed to by the IANA and the NRO. This set of > procedures shall be enacted within 30 days of the implentation of this > policy. > > > 5. Announcement of IANA allocations to the RIRs > > When address space is allocated to a RIR, the IANA will send a detailed > announcement to the receiving RIR. The IANA will also make announcements to > all other RIRs, informing them of the recent allocation. > > The IANA will make appropriate modifications to the "Internet Protocol V6 > Address Space" page of the IANA website and may make announcements to only > its own global announcement lists. The IANA announcements will be limited > to which address ranges, the time of allocation and to which Registry they > have been allocated. > > > 8. Rationale: > > The current IANA allocation policy for IPv6 is an interim policy that was > promulgated in 1999. Operational experience has demonstrated the current > minimum allocation size is too small; that the built in reservation system > that must be followed by the RIRs does not allow for efficient and effective > management of the resource by the RIR; and does not provide for an well > known evaluation criteria. This document does not stipulate performance > requirements in the provision of services by IANA to an RIR in accordance > with the policy. Such requirements should be specified by appropriate > agreements between the NRO and ICANN. > > > 9. Timetable for implementation: Thirty days after ratification by the ICANN > Board of Directors in accordance with the global policy development process _______________________________________________

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] FW: [arin-council] IANA to RIR IPv6 Allocation
by Jeroen Massar 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

For people not on the arin-council (not likely ;) or the ppml@arin lists: -----Forwarded Message----- From: "Sweeting, John" <John.Sweeting(a)teleglobe.com> To: 'ppml(a)arin.net' <ppml(a)arin.net> Subject: [ppml] FW: [arin-council] IANA to RIR IPv6 Allocation Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:36:56 -0400 I am submitting the following proposal IAW ARIN's Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process. In the interest of all I would like to disclose up front that the information used to prepare this template was provided by ARIN staff. ############################################ Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-1.0 1. Policy Proposal Name: Allocation of IPv6 Address Space by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Policy to Regional Internet Registries 2. Author a. name: John Sweeting b. email: john.sweeting(a)teleglobe.com c. telephone: 703-766-3042 d. organization: ARIN Advisory Council 3. Proposal Version: 1 4. Submission Date: 8/17/04 5. Proposal type: new, global 6. Policy term: permanent 7. Policy statement: 1. Minimum Allocation Size. The minimum size of any allocation of IPv6 address space from IANA to an RIR is prefix length /12. If this address space is not sufficient to meet the needs of an RIR for a projected 18 month period, IANA shall allocate to that RIR the address space for which it can provide justification. 2. Reservation of Unicast Address space. 2.1 IANA. By RFC 3513 the IANA has been allocated the range of IPv6 addresses beginning at binary value 001 (prefix length /3) for its allocations of unicast address space. In order to support regional aggregation of IPv6 address space IANA shall establish a reservation of a prefix length of /6 from this space for each established RIR and for each emerging RIR. Allocations to each RIR will be from the appropriate reservation. 2.2. RIRs. Each RIR may apply its own respective chosen allocation and reservation strategy in order to meet the needs of its community and to ensure the efficiency and efficacy of its work. Such reservations made by an RIR will be considered as being allocated by that RIR when that RIR applies for an allocation of address space from the IANA. 3. Initial Allocation. 3.1. Upon implementation of this policy IANA shall allocate to each established RIR a /12 from the reservation established for each particular RIR. 3.2. Upon recognition of an RIR by ICANN that RIR shall receive a /12 from the reservation set aside for that RIR. 4. Subsequent Allocation. An RIR shall be eligible for an allocation of at least a minimal allocation from the IANA when its current holdings are less than 50% of its 18 month requirement or when it has less than 180 days of holdings available. The IANA shall evaluate the requested allocation using a set of administrative procedures that are mutually agreed to by the IANA and the NRO. This set of procedures shall be enacted within 30 days of the implentation of this policy. 5. Announcement of IANA allocations to the RIRs When address space is allocated to a RIR, the IANA will send a detailed announcement to the receiving RIR. The IANA will also make announcements to all other RIRs, informing them of the recent allocation. The IANA will make appropriate modifications to the "Internet Protocol V6 Address Space" page of the IANA website and may make announcements to only its own global announcement lists. The IANA announcements will be limited to which address ranges, the time of allocation and to which Registry they have been allocated. 8. Rationale: The current IANA allocation policy for IPv6 is an interim policy that was promulgated in 1999. Operational experience has demonstrated the current minimum allocation size is too small; that the built in reservation system that must be followed by the RIRs does not allow for efficient and effective management of the resource by the RIR; and does not provide for an well known evaluation criteria. This document does not stipulate performance requirements in the provision of services by IANA to an RIR in accordance with the policy. Such requirements should be specified by appropriate agreements between the NRO and ICANN. 9. Timetable for implementation: Thirty days after ratification by the ICANN Board of Directors in accordance with the global policy development process. 10. Meeting presenter: Elected AC Member or the President of ARIN. END OF TEMPLATE ################################################

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Re: 9/9/2004 IP6.INT Removal (Was: 9/9/2006 : ip6.int shutdown?)
by Daniel Roesen 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 03:59:35AM +0000, bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > So the whole delegation thing is broken. The int. TLD servers delegate > > ip6.int to imag.imag.fr which feels it self authoritative, but isn't > > in the NS RRset of the ip6.int zone. And ip6.int is delegated to > > munnari.oz.au which doesn't know about this (anymore). > > so... this was apparently enough to get the attention it > deserved. the long postponed migration from imag.imag.fr. > to ns3.nic.fr. is now "done" and imag.imag.fr. has been removed > from the NS list in the INT zone. > and munnari.oz.au has been removed. - more cleanup in the > next week or two. Well, two weeks down the road and things got even worse: NS list summary for ip6.int. from parent (int.) servers == flag.ep.net. ns3.nic.fr. y.ip6.int. == z.ip6.int. $ dig @flag.ep.net. int. SOA +norec | fgrep status: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 9740 $ dig @ns3.nic.fr int. SOA +norec | fgrep status: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 334 $ dig @y.ip6.int int. SOA +norec | fgrep status: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 17872 $ dig @z.ip6.int int. SOA +norec ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached So we have 3 out of 4 servers totally broken. Looks like the importance of ip6.int is way overstated by some folks. Regards, Daniel

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] RE: [sig-ipv6] Re: 9/9/2004 IP6.INT Removal (Was: 9/9/2006 :ip6.int shutdown?)
by Bound, Jim 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

> Can you identify those vendors which didn't react to a RFC > from 3 years ago? No that is up to those vendors product managers etc. What I know is from interoperability testing and cannot reveal. You missed mine and Bill's entire point. No one is against doing this it is a matter getting it into the production DNS code base. I think Bill should answer your other questions as you integrated my mail with Bill's. Your complaining here in IETF at least is irrelevant. And not the purpose of the IETF list IMO. I will not respond to other mail. If you want to discuss offline send me mail and I suggest you copy Bill. Ipv6.arpa is supported in the latest BIND releases and IMO all should be doing it, but I don't attribute it to being lazy at all. Again IPv6 is production code now vendors can't just change it as we do the public domain and university code base, it requires QA et al per the customer and that has cost and all changes to IPv6 at this point. /jim

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