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VS: [ipv6-wg] ipv6 test at ripe56 (not only laptops)
by Petteri Helin 08 May '08

08 May '08

Windows Mobile 6 (HTC Advantage) didn't work, which is not probably big surprise for anybody... :-) I think that WM6 should in theory support IPv6 but haven't heard of anybody actually have it working.... -- -------------------- Petteri Helin petteri.helin(a)tdc.fi ----- Alkuperäinen viesti ----- Lähettäjä: Raymond Jetten <raymond.jetten(a)elisa.fi> Lähetetty: 8. toukokuuta 2008 8:55 Vastaanottaja: ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net Aihe: [ipv6-wg] ipv6 test at ripe56 (not only laptops) Dear all, The other day we tested the ipv6 WLAN at the RIPE56 meeting on Berlin. Apart of the disconecting problem we ''forgot'' to test f.ex mobile phones with WLAN abilities, and all other PDA's with WLAN ability. I thionk it would be interesting to form a list of compatible devices etc and in this way show either where the problems are or which devices already are compatible. F.Ex. my phone a nokia E70 with the latest software, did not work at all with the v6 network, and software engineers in finland told me the mode is switched off by default and would need a software in which this is enabled. (tested with the default browser that comes with the phone and opera mini. i hope it is a good idea to answer to the list, or of this is not wanted please answer to my own address, i will try to publish the findings lateron (will tell you when and where). ************************************************************ Raymond Jetten Phone: +358 3 41024 139 Tietoliikenneasiantuntija Fax: +358 3 41024 199 Elisa Oyj / Verkonhallinta IP/MPLS Mobile: +358 45 6700 139 Hermiankatu 3A raymond.jetten(a)elisa.fi FIN-33720, TAMPERE http://www.elisafi ************************************************************

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ipv6 test at ripe56 (not only laptops)
by Raymond Jetten 08 May '08

08 May '08

Dear all, The other day we tested the ipv6 WLAN at the RIPE56 meeting on Berlin. Apart of the disconecting problem we ''forgot'' to test f.ex mobile phones with WLAN abilities, and all other PDA's with WLAN ability. I thionk it would be interesting to form a list of compatible devices etc and in this way show either where the problems are or which devices already are compatible. F.Ex. my phone a nokia E70 with the latest software, did not work at all with the v6 network, and software engineers in finland told me the mode is switched off by default and would need a software in which this is enabled. (tested with the default browser that comes with the phone and opera mini. i hope it is a good idea to answer to the list, or of this is not wanted please answer to my own address, i will try to publish the findings lateron (will tell you when and where). ************************************************************ Raymond Jetten Phone: +358 3 41024 139 Tietoliikenneasiantuntija Fax: +358 3 41024 199 Elisa Oyj / Verkonhallinta IP/MPLS Mobile: +358 45 6700 139 Hermiankatu 3A raymond.jetten(a)elisa.fi FIN-33720, TAMPERE http://www.elisa.fi ************************************************************

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ipv6 test at ripe56 (not only laptops) /Nokia E51 didnt work either
by Marton.HAJDU＠ec.europa.eu 08 May '08

08 May '08

Hi unfortunatelly, my Nokia E51 (100.34.20, 29.09.2007 RM-244 Nokia E51 02.1) did not work with v6 either. Regards, Marton

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Agenda for ipv6 wg RIPE56
by David Kessens 07 May '08

07 May '08

Our working group is scheduled to meet on: Wed, May 7, 14:00 - 15:30, in Bordeaux Room, Hotel Palace, Berlin Please see below for our agenda. David Kessens --- Agenda for the IPv6 Working Group Meeting RIPE56 When: Wed, May 7, 14:00 - 15:30 Where: Bordeaux Room, Hotel Palace, Berlin A. Administrative stuff - appointment of scribe - agenda bashing (David Kessens) B. Quick update from the RIRs regarding ipv6 services - RIPE NCC (Andrei Robachevsky) - APNIC (George Michaelson) C. Experience with ipv6 on the wireless network before, after and during the IPv4 turn-off (James Aldridge, input from the audience) D. Follow-up: - Global IPv6 routing table status (discussion) (Gert Doering) - Problems in the current Global IPv6 Routing System (discussion) (Bernhard Schmidt) E. Report(s) about *actual* v6 traffic volume as compared to v4? *what's real* out there, not what's on powerpoint? - IPv6 traffic at AMS-IX (Arien Vijn) - (input from the audience) F. IPv6 deployment experience at AMS-IX (Arien Vijn) G. Deploying IPv6 at NETNOD (Kurt Erik Lindqvist) H. Developments/initiatives regarding IPv6 in the RIPE region and beyond - 6DEPLOY IPv6 trainings in Europe and the rest of the RIR regions (Jordi Palet Martinez) - (input from the audience) ... Y. Input for the RIPE NCC Activity Plan (input from the audience) Z. AOB ---

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Fwd: [address-policy-wg] Joking follow-up, second round
by Turchanyi Geza 04 May '08

04 May '08

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Turchanyi Geza <turchanyi.geza(a)gmail.com> Date: May 4, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Joking follow-up, second round To: Carlos Friacas <cfriacas(a)fccn.pt> Hello, On 5/2/08, Carlos Friacas <cfriacas(a)fccn.pt> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Turchanyi Geza wrote: > > > > 3, My suggestion was at RIPE 55 (and in my previous letter): let's do > > something similar in case of IPv6 what we have done with IPv4. "pseudo" > > dynamic IPv6! (Which is rather static, BTW.) > > > > For ISPs i'm assuming it would be easier to use static allocations, > instead of managing pools. Adding records to public databases is something > separate... Please rememeber, that I also suggested a technical solution: calculate the IPv6 addresses (subnet) from the previously allocated IPv4 address of the DSL user! That means: if we are able to allocate IPv4 addresses in "pseudo dynamic" way (wich is rather static), then we will be able to allocate IPv6 networks roughly at the same way. > 4, It is possible to allocate even /48 for every DSL users, even with the > > "pseudo" dynamic IPv6 allocation mechanism, however, why should we do > > it? If > > an "anonym" DSL user could use the same amount of the address space than > > a > > RIPE registered DSL user then nobody will register its address space in > > the > > database! > > > > You're trying to draw a line to distinguish residential users from > enterprises, is that it? No. I try to draw a line between "light" service and "serious" one (Or: between "dummies" and "experts".) > 5, The IPv6 address space is huge, however, if we do not know who is using > > it then we will loose it soon. > > > > We should always be able to link a single IPv6 address to an LIR/ISP... It won't help, unfortunately. How many people live in Holland? How many SIM card (mobile phone contract) exist? Much more, than people... > 6, Therefore my suggestion was amends previous policies (what were fine > > for > > the "experts", knowing what an IP address is and what a subnet is). > > > > > 8, I also would prefer if the "anonym" DSL users would share a visible > > different address space than the registered one. If IANA would reserve a > > prefix (preferably a /16) for the "anonym" DSL (mobile, CATV, etc) > > users, > > then the RIRs could allocate big pools from this prefix to ISPs using > > different allocation criteria than for the "registered" IPv6 networks. > > Different allocation criteria also mean: sparser usage at the beginning. If we allocate an IPv6 subnet to each and every DSL costumer, very few of them will realy use it at the beginning. However, fast IPv6 transition is not possible without this "generosity". The suggested size of the "anonym" pool is depend on the number of costumers: a /36 for very larg ISPs (more than 15 million costumers), a /40 for medium ISPs, a /44 for smaller ISP-s (less than 1 million costumers) Yes, there are ISP-s serving more than 15-16 millions costumers! This is one of the reasons why I suggested the creation of a new type of reusable addresses, the AS-local IPv4 address pool! > Back to the AS-local IPv4 address space concept: > > > > > > > > Private address space have to be unique within a routing domain, > > AS-local > > address space is unique within the given Autonomous System. (A group of > > autonomous Systems might share > > > > even this address space, but this is the exception, and not the rule.) > > > > > > > > I do think that the AS-local address pool can be created as a > > collaborative > > effort. IANA, ISPs can lease address blocks for this pool. This is not > > trading, but still a reallocation! Any reallocation policy should allow > > creation of a common address pool! > > > > > > > > It is easier to allocate "automatic" and "anonym" IPv6 network for DSL > > users > > if we have a > > > > big enough, better routable IPv4 address pool, an AS-local address pool. > > > > > > > > Please read also my proposals: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-55/presentations/turchanyi--two-joke… > > > > > > > > and my presentation: ( > > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-55/presentations/turchanyi-two-jokes… > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Geza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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