January 2003 - ipv6-wg - mailman.ripe.net

[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Reverse delegation for 6bone address space in ip6.arpa
by Andrei Robachevsky 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

Dear Colleagues, In accordance with RFC 3152, the administration of the name space within ip6.arpa has been delegated to the RIRs. The 3FFE::/16 address space has not yet been allocated to the RIRs by the IANA. It is the intention that the RIRs administer this space. The community has expressed a need for 3FFE reverse space to be in the ip6.arpa domain. The RIR CEOs sent a message to the IAB requesting a waiver regarding the RFC 3152 requirement and received a positive response. The RIRs are prepared to administer e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa domain in the manner as described below. We plan to implement it in the next few weeks and deliver the solution soon after the RIPE 44 Meeting in January. Regards, Andrei Robachevsky CTO, RIPE NCC Support for reverse delegation for 6bone address space in ip6.arpa DNS tree --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phase I. Before a final decision is made on future management of the 3FFE address space The delegation for e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa is made by IANA to one of the RIRs. Zone information for this space is produced by copying the existing delegations in the e.f.f.3.ip6.int zone. Additional check is done to ensure that the servers corresponding to the NS RR are also authoritative in .arpa space. Zone information is updated whenever changes are detected in the e.f.f.3.ip6.int zone. This approach has a couple of advantages. It keeps the RIRs out of the 6bone registration process until a final decision is made on future management of the 3FFE address space. It also implies no procedural changes from a user's perspective since changes are made in only one place, while at the same time it moves responsibility for maintaining the e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa zone to the RIRs. This then prepares for a smoother transition to Phase II. The main constraint of this approach is that it forces registrants to use the same name servers for .arpa as for .int. Phase II. Registration of 3FFE space is transferred to the RIRs A shared zone management process will be implemented similar to that currently implemented by the RIRs for the legacy v4 space (ERX project, http://www.ripe.net/db/erx/) That is, holders of 6bone address space will be served for reverse delegation by the respective RIR in their region, and the generation of the e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa zone can be entirely automated using zone merging.

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Connection IPv6
by Jordi Bort 31 Jan '03

31 Jan '03

Hi, We have one /32 IPv6 prefix (2001:a50::). At the moment we have some VLANs with IPv4 traffic on two Catalyst 6500. The tunneling between IPv4-IPv6 works fine, as does the DNS-v6. Now we would like to connect ourselves with the International IPv6 Network. Does anyone know how to do it? Shall we announce our prefix? Is it possible for RIPE to connect our IPv6 network? Thanks,

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] IPV6 Whois
by DB-News 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

[apologies for duplicate messages] Dear Colleagues, We are happy to announce the availability of RIPE Whois servers on IPv6 network. It is now possible to query whois.ripe.net and test-whois.ripe.net from an IPv6 host, using an IPv6 enabled whois client. If your system doesn't already have one, you can find the latest RIPE Whois client at: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/tools/ripe-whois-latest.tar.gz You can read the full anouncement at: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/whois-ipv6.html Best regards, -- Can Bican Database Group RIPE NCC

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] IPv6 Whois update
by Shane Kerr 23 Jan '03

23 Jan '03

Colleagues, As you may have seen on the list, there were a few reachability problems with the new IPv6 Whois service. We believe these are configuration related, and have a workaround allowing queries to WHOIS.RIPE.NET to work while we research it further. If you have network issues with this service please e-mail <ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net>. We also have heard some problems people are having with their Whois clients giving them errors querying the RIPE Whois server. These can occur in the case that: - The Whois client has IPv6 support. - The host computer does not have working IPv6 support. The client will: 1. Get the AAAA record for WHOIS.RIPE.NET. 2. Try to connect to the IPv6 address. 3. Fail because there is no IPv6 stack/address/router/etc. If you are experiencing this problem, you may be able to fix it by enabling IPv6 on your host (so that the IPv6 queries work), disabling IPv6 *completely* on your host (so that no AAAA records are returned), or by using another Whois client. The RIPE Whois client will work in this case, and is available from our FTP site: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/tools/ripe-whois-latest.tar.gz -- Shane Kerr RIPE NCC

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RE: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] IPV6 Whois
by matthew.ford＠bt.com 23 Jan '03

23 Jan '03

I'm getting Type 1 (Unreachable) Code 1 (Administratively Prohibited) messages back from 2001:7f8:1::a500:3333:1 - luckily the client falls back to IPv4 and that works just fine ;-) Mat. > -----Original Message----- > From: Pim van Pelt [mailto:pim@ipng.nl] > Sent: 23 January 2003 14:17 > To: ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net > Cc: db-wg(a)ripe.net; ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net] IPV6 Whois > > > | We are happy to announce the availability of RIPE Whois > servers on IPv6 > | network. It is now possible to query whois.ripe.net and > test-whois.ripe.net > | from an IPv6 host, using an IPv6 enabled whois client. If > your system doesn't > | already have one, you can find the latest RIPE Whois client at: > Hi Can, > > I cannot reach the server from AS12859, nor from AS8954. > > --- whois.ripe.net ping6 statistics --- > 2 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss > > A traceroute from me (2001:7b8:3:17:202:b3ff:fe10:d926) to you gives: > 1 dapje-gw.ipv6.network.bit.nl 0.383 ms 0.286 ms 0.269 ms > 2 jun1.telecity.ipv6.network.bit.nl 1.537 ms 1.552 ms 1.505 ms > 3 nikipv6.ripe.net 3.378 ms 3.035 ms 3.111 ms > 4 nikipv6.ripe.net 4.432 ms !P 3.248 ms !P 3.288 ms !P > > And telnetting to port 43 of whois.ripe.net does not do much: > $ telnet 2001:610:240:0:193::135 whois > Trying 2001:610:240:0:193::135... > ^C > > Please advise. > -- > ---------- - - - - -+- - - - - ---------- > Pim van Pelt Email: pim(a)ipng.nl > http://www.ipng.nl/ IPv6 Deployment > ----------------------------------------------- > >

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] New Documents available: RIPE-263, RIPE-267
by RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

New RIPE Documents Announcement -------------------------------------- Two new documents are available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-263 Title: Autonomous System (AS) Number Assignment Policies and Procedures Author: Mirjam Kuehne, Nurani Nimpuno, Sabrina Wilmot Date: 22 January 2003 Format: PS=16292 TXT=6248 Obsoletes: ripe-185, ripe-245 Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: Ref: ripe-267 Title: IPv6 Address Allocation and Assignment Policy Author: ARIN, APNIC, RIPE NCC Date: 22 January 2003 Format: PS=816883 TXT=34295 Obsoletes: ripe-196, ripe-246 Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: Short content description ------------------------- The "Autonomous System (AS) Number Assignment Policies and Procedures" provides a description of Autonomous System Numbers, their assignment procedures and guidelines on how to obtain them in RIPE NCC service region. "Assignments for Internet Experiments" has been included in this latest version. The "IPv6 Address Allocation and Assignment Policy" defines registry policies for the assignment and allocation of globally unique IPv6 addresses to Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and other organisations. "Assignments for Internet Experiments" has been included in this latest version. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website at the following URLs:. http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/asn-assignment.html http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6policy.html The RIPE Document Store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-263.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-263.txt plain text version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-267.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-267.txt plain text version

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Agenda for IPv6 wg RIPE 44
by David Kessens 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

Hi, Below follows the agenda for the ipv6 wg for RIPE44. I would like to draw your attention to the agendas of the other wg session too since many have ipv6 agenda items too this time. As an experiment, in order to help to achieve the goal of less scheduling conflicts, I offered to shorten the ipv6 wg session to one 2 hour slot to help create more time in the schedule. As a result, the agenda is fairly full, so I won't have a lot of flexibility for last minute items. Thanks & I hope to see you all in Amsterdam, David K. --- Agenda for the IPv6 Working Group Meeting RIPE44 A. Administrative stuff - appointment of scribe - agenda bashing (David Kessens) B. IPv6 version of TTM (Henk Uijterwaal) C. IPv6 whois proxy (Shane Kerr) D. IPv6 state of art in the italian educational and research community. (Gabriella Paolini) E. DVTS (high bandwidth digital video) over 6PE (IPv6 over MPLS) over UTI over IPv4 (Erik-Jan Bos) F. Input for/from the DNS wg: Action point 42.1: Investigate the CNAME and other solutions for v6-reverse delegation (RIPE NCC) IPv6 capable RR DNS servers - what is needed, what are the issues ?!? (RIPE NCC) Action point 42.2: Give an overview of 6-to-4 reverse delegation issues at RIPE 43 (RIPE NCC) G. Global IPv6 routing table status (Gert Doering) H. Report(s) about *actual* v6 traffic volume as compared to v4? *what's real* out there, not what's on powerpoint? http://www.ipv6.aorta.net (Roger Jorgenson) http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ipv6/measurements/index.en.html (Ronald van der Pol) (other reports welcome!) I. Workable approaches for ipv6 multihoming in the absence of a better solution than the one we use in the ipv4 Internet (Kurt Erik Lindqvist, Iljitsch van Beijnum) J. Fragmentation of the ipv6 address space from the top down by allocating /23's to RIRs (brief discussion) K. Developments/initiatives regarding IPv6 in the RIPE region and beyond (input from the audience) L. input to the RIPE NCC Activity Plan & results of KPMG survey (input from the audience) Z. AOB ---

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] We need you..
by Timo Dreger 18 Jan '03

18 Jan '03

Hello, now the project SIX-Net.org is online. But our content is very small. We need a Server, pls look at the page. And if you like to sponsor us a server, mail me! SIX-Net offers free IPv6 services and we need resources. The services are as example: irc-bouncer, ircd, AAAA-Records, v6-Hosting, timeserver, ... and all for free ;-) At the time the page is only available in german. Thanks.. -- Timo Dreger eMail: timo.dreger(a)sobdog.de -- My Private Page: My IPv6-Project: v4: http://www.sobdog.de v4: http://www.six-net.org v6: http://ipv6.sobdog.de v6: http://ipv6.six-net.org --

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Minutes of ipv6 wg session RIPE43
by David Kessens 11 Jan '03

11 Jan '03

Hi, No comments were received on the draft minutes as posted to this list in december 2002. Therefore, the minutes as attached below can now be considered the final version. David K. --- Draft minutes (v1) ipv6 wg RIPE 43 Rhodes, Greece 11 September 2002 A. Administrative stuff ======================= Agenda is available at: http://www.kessens.com/~david/presentations/ The scribe was appointed, and the agenda was agreed upon. B. Status of the 6bone (David Kessens (DK)) ====================== Presentation is available at: http://www.kessens.com/~david/presentations/ Per 20020911, there are now 1187 ipv6 sites in 58 different countries on the ipv6 Internet. C. IPv6 version of TTM (Henk Uijterwaal (HU)) ====================== Presentation is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-43/ presentations/ripe43-ipv6-ttm/ Wilfried Woeber (WW): With 6net hat - is possible to make preliminary measurements available before the end of the year? DK: How is this service supported from the commercial point of view? Right now, you have to pay for the test-box. HU: You still have to buy a test box, and we operate it for you. Service fee is currently 3000 EUR. Q: Do you get v4 measurements with that, too? A: In principle, yes. WW: Technical question: the ntp protocol is used to encode v4 from clock-host partners to prevent forming loops. Anyone here knows more? HU: forward me the emails from the discussion. DK: I like this new service. This can be a reason for me to order such a box, because v6 production is important for us, and I want to be able to measure the performance. D. Action point 42.1: ===================== Investigate the CNAME and other solutions for v6-reverse delegation E. IPv6 capable RR DNS servers ============================== What is needed, what are the issues ?!? (RIPE NCC) F. Action point 42.2: ===================== Give an overview of 6-to-4 reverse delegation issues at RIPE 43 (RIPE NCC) Andrei Robachevski, RIPE NCC covered topic D, E & F. In regards to D & E, a prototype was made; setups how to support them was tested; no final decision yet. Status: in progress. It will be accomplished before the next ripe meeting Mohsen Souissi (MS): Are you aware of the technical notes, published last week, about DNAME, by the IETF committee? This is only meant for the smooth transition from .int -> .arpa Things are moving very very slowly. There is no dns server for ip6.arpa. "ns.ripe.net" is not ipv6-capable. I have already suggested several times to IANA that AFNIC server is available to be a secondary for ip6.arpa, but I received no answer... DK: There is an agenda point in the AOB about the Activity Plan of the RIPE NCC. We need to add this in there. My suggestion is that the RIPE NCC members make it clear to the RIPE NCC and the RIPE NCC Board that we want RIPE NCC to give some real attention to this. G. Global IPv6 routing table status (Gert Doering (GD)) =================================== Presentation is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-43/ presentations/ripe43-ipv6-table/ Q: Do you see people changing over, or announcing both? A: It was possible to see everything, all combinations. Q: Are the filtering problems still there? A: Not really, but old prefix was still in the table, although I was not announcing it any more... Q: Do you see any difference between number of announcements vs number of allocations per region? A: This was not researched, it's a good idea for the next time. Bernard Tuy (BT): While discussing the filters - we are at the point when we do need some recommendations from the RIPE community. DK: 6bone/IETF docs exist. Do we need new ones? GD: They need re-doing, can not be accepted by default. DK: Do we need recommendations? GD: We need to at least keep an eye on this, and think about it. We also need to think about multihoming issue. Let's put it on the agenda for the next meeting. DK: Any opinions right now? GD: Just one customer is doing it - "announcing more specific prefix" ?? I find it a good solution. Francis Dupont (FD): That does not scale. It is too easy. ISPs do not want to buy GB of memory to support this. But there's no good alternative solution. GD: Multihoming needs to be done by BGP : either /32, or /48 that can get filtered. There are two groups busy with it in the IETF, official&dead, and another one... Proposal for the presentation on the next meeting - "Approaches to multihoming and why everything sucks". FD: "ipv6mh" is good place to discuss this. It's a closed mailing list. DK: Personally, I think the way Gert is doing it is a good way. DK: Anyone who is a good candidate to lead the discussion, present existing solutions and explain why they don't work, please volunteer for the next meeting. H. Report(s) ============ About *actual* v6 traffic volume as compared to v4? What's *real* out there, not what's on power-point? H.1 baseline measurement for ipv6.int queries ---------------------------------------------- (Terry Manderson, APNIC) [URL - Presentation missing!] Q: How up to date are your graphs, and can you see RIPE43 meeting influence? A: From last Friday, so can't see this meeting. Q: different considerations - DNS traffic as protocol, and v6 traffic after DNS queries. how to get v6 related RRs. unless you have v6 from the root, except the glue, you don't know where else to go. Q: Can you see where are the queries coming from? A: These were the baseline measurements, not analysis. But, most cam from Japan. MS:.jp & .fr have been supporting v6 in DNS for years. We are asking for glue records in root, but according to the policy that is not possible. We are again asking RIPE NCC to support our efforts to tell to the root - v6 is harmless. DK:In the Activity Plan input to the RIPE NCC, we should be making it clear that this is important to us, as members of the RIPE community. [coffee break] H.2 some snap-shot info ---------------------- (Wilfried Woeber) [URL - Presentation missing!] DK: For the next RIPE meeting we will be preparing dns/v6/sec workshop. H.3 Discussion -------------- Do we want some more activity under this topic - to cover it in depth; to have more data? e.g TTM with more data. Since this is a _working_ group, more work from the participants is appreciated... I. Developments/initiatives =========================== regarding IPv6 in the RIPE region and beyond (input from the audience) I.1 Bernard Tuy, Renater ------------------------ We are deploying M6bone. 40 players, 15 non-fr countries. If you are interested, you are more then welcome to join us. http://sem2.renater.fr/m6bone/ What do we want to achieve, what kind of SW is used... I.2 Robert Blechinger, CyberNet ------------------------------- Number of queries per day, on their DNS server: 28 6bone, 2 6to4, 336 RIPE NCC allocated: 211 own, 115 from one peer. I.3 Mohsen Souissi Ready to publish [...] to draft standard status. I.4. DK The same week that there is a RIPE meeting in Barcelona in May there is a IPv6 Forum in Madrid. We are trying to schedule that at least IPv6-wg does not overlap. MS: This might be an opportunity to test video-conferencing over IPv6. Z. AOB ====== Z.1. input to the RIPE NCC Activity Plan ----------------------------------------- Please let your representatives tell to the RIPE NCC management and Executive Board your requirements, so that they can be included in the Activiy Plan. Z.2. 6bone transition to the RIRs ---------------------------------- There has been a talk in the LIR-WG regarding that. 6bone addresses are currently allocated by Bob Fink, which is inconvenient as being a single point of failure, and is outside of the RIR structure. If interested, make sure to take part in the discussion on the lir-wg list & meetings. The progres of the co-ordination efforts will be reported on the next meeting. The most important are the technical issues - ip6.int & ip6.arpa delegations. They will be put on the agenda for the next meeting. Z.3. Other ---------- Info: Bernard Tuy: 29 & 30 October, IPv6 conference in Paris 28 October, IPv6 Tutorial by Mohsen Souissi, like the one done on Monday in Rhodes. Andrew Miehs, CyberNEt: ipv6-wg meeting should not be at the same time EIX!! One of the issues - we'd like to establish peering points, but I can't express this in the IEX-WG. DK: Other people asked for this too, many many times. The same - DNS-WG also has many v6 topics now, and is also scheduled at the same time! WW: Instead of complaining, it's better to put a proposal - how can we improve the scheduling? Action point on DK: to bring the issue to the WG chair lunch, and try to find a solution.

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[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] arpa zone for 2002::/16 ?
by Andrius Kasparavicius 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Here you are talking about 3ffe & arpa. I would like to know if there is something going to make reverse available for 2002::/16 addr space? Maybe there could be used automatic zone delegation by current ipv4 ns delegation? best regards, Andrius

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