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Re: Launch of The Internet Ecosystem Book
by Peter Anderson 09 Feb '26

09 Feb '26

*(Apologies for cross-posting)* As a researcher, I have never come across a highly intensive and inclusive book like "The Internet Ecosystem". The book englobes the whole Internet Ecosystem with the correct information compared to misleading information from blogs/wikipedia on the Internet. This book was reviewed by Vint Cerf. I have just completed the reading, I will highly recommend it and it is nice to have a copy to keep for reference. Professor Peter Anderson Head of Research ------------------------------ *From:* Nikesh B. Simmandree <nikeshbs(a)outlook.com> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2025 1:35 PM *To:* alac-announce(a)icann.org <alac-announce(a)icann.org>; alac(a)icann.org < alac(a)icann.org>; at-large(a)icann.org <at-large(a)icann.org>; afri-discuss(a)icann.org <afri-discuss(a)icann.org> *Subject:* Launch of The Internet Ecosystem Book Dear Community, I am thrilled to announce the launch of my book, *The Internet Ecosystem* — a comprehensive exploration of the history, architecture, governance, and future of the Internet. This book distills decades of technological evolution — from ARPANET and packet switching, to AI, Web3, quantum networks, and beyond — into a clear, engaging narrative accessible to both technical and non-technical readers *What the Book Covers* - *The Past:* How Cold War research, ARPANET, and packet switching gave birth to the Internet we know today. - *The Present:* The intricate roles of ISPs, backbone providers, cloud infrastructure, AI, cybersecurity, and global governance shaping our daily online experiences. - *The Future:* Insights into 5G/6G, blockchain, immersive technologies, quantum security, and the Internet in 2050. With *49 detailed chapters*, the book provides a definitive yet approachable reference for students, professionals, policymakers, and curious readers alike. My mission with *The Internet Ecosystem* is to make the Internet’s complexity understandable — showing not only *how* the Internet works, but also *why* it matters and has become one of the most transformative human inventions — while sparking dialogue on how we build a secure, inclusive, and sustainable digital future. In the 21st century, understanding the Internet is not optional — it’s essential. Whether you’re a business leader, policymaker, educator, student, or everyday Internet user, this book provides the context and clarity you need to navigate the opportunities and challenges of our connected world. *Get Your Copy* *The Internet Ecosystem* is now available: https://payhip.com/b/hfvYg Thank you, Best Regards, Nikesh B. Simmandree +230-5-907-3413 nikeshbs(a)outlook.com This message and its attachments are intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and are strictly confidential. If you have received this in error, please delete it from any devices after having informed the sender.

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Internet of Things A to Z: Technologies and Applications, 2nd Edition (Wiley-IEEE Press, 2025)
by Qusay Fadhel 02 Oct '25

02 Oct '25

Greetings, I hope my message finds you well. For those working in the IoT, edge computing, and AI domains, I invite you to check out the second edition of my edited book, *Internet of Things A to Z: Technologies and Applications, *which will be published this month by Wiley-IEEE Press: https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Internet+of+Things+A+to+Z%3A+Technologies+and+A…. The book is ideal for students, researchers, and industry professionals seeking a comprehensive and up-to-date reference that connects theory with real-world implementation. The preface, author bios, and Introduction chapter are favailable here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/394224672_Internet_of_Things_A_to_… Thank you for your interest and support. Best regards, Qusay F. Hassan

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Call for IoT WG Presentations (RIPE91, Bucharest, October 20th - 24th, 2025)
by Peter Steinhäuser 16 Sep '25

16 Sep '25

Dear Collegues, the next RIPE Meeting is coming soon - our wg meeting slot is allocated on Thursday, October 23rd 14h-15:30h local time. This could be your opportunity to present your topic to the WG! If you would like to give a presentation during the IoT WG session, please contact us at iot-wg-chairs(a)ripe.net. A talk should be 20-30 min including Q&A (usually 5-10min). We are already in the process of defining the agenda for the WG meeting but still have space for your contributions! Remote participation is also welcome, so please do not hestiate to contact us with an IoT related topic, from security considerations to networking impacts - it’s a wide field with many interesting developments! Thanks and best regards! Anna & Peter

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Re: Request for Feedback: Draft Report on IoT Security and Post-Quantum Cryptography
by sandoche Balakrichenan 03 Jun '25

03 Jun '25

Thanks Andrey. I will forward your feedback to the editors. Sandoche. On 03/06/2025 13:04, Andrey Kolesnikov wrote: > Great draft. Having IGF dynamics experience, it is recommended to > make a short summary if it is to be delivered as a presentation during > the IGF and avoid much of the technical details. > By the way, one can get useful information from this > record: Post-Quantum Transition: Standards, Effects on Protocols by > Dmitry Belyavsky here: https://ripe89.ripe.net/archives/video/1435/ > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ripe89.ripe.net/archives/video/1435/__;…> > > --andrei > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2025 at 10:20 AM sandoche Balakrichenan via iot-wg > <iot-wg(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > Dear all, > > The draft report > *"*https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zC-nn3Gabc8y2YhL1f5yPrzFe9PMPwovexPrZ7u1xb4/edit?usp=sharing > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zC-nn3Gabc8…>*" > *explores the intersection between emerging threats in IoT > security and post-quantum cryptography (PQC). It is now open for > consultation until *June 10th*. > > Your feedback is highly valued. Please feel free to provide > comments directly within the document. > > -- > Sandoche BALAKRICHENAN > Head of R&D Partnerships @ Afnic > LoRaWAN Academia WG Chair > > ----- > To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription > options, please visit: > https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/iot-wg.ripe.net/ > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/iot-wg.…> > As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an > account with the email matching your subscription before you can > change your settings. > More details at: > https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/ > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-…> > > > > -- > Andrei Kolesnikov IOTAS.RU > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://IOTAS.RU__;!!MSw7YS8!muGMsiXPHlTVEVX9jiu…> > with calendar bot -- Sandoche BALAKRICHENAN Head of R&D Partnerships @ Afnic LoRaWAN Academia WG Chair

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Request for Feedback: Draft Report on IoT Security and Post-Quantum Cryptography
by sandoche Balakrichenan 03 Jun '25

03 Jun '25

Dear all, The draft report *"*https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zC-nn3Gabc8y2YhL1f5yPrzFe9PMPwovexPrZ7u1xb4/edit?usp=sharing*" *explores the intersection between emerging threats in IoT security and post-quantum cryptography (PQC). It is now open for consultation until *June 10th*. Your feedback is highly valued. Please feel free to provide comments directly within the document. -- Sandoche BALAKRICHENAN Head of R&D Partnerships @ Afnic LoRaWAN Academia WG Chair

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Re: Anna Maria Mandalari for co-chair
by Constanze Dietrich 11 May '25

11 May '25

I would have loved to express my support in person first, but won't be able to this time, so... Yes, please! As Jim phrased so adequately: It's an absolute no-brainer to appoint Anna Maria! :)

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[RIPE-90] IoT WG Session Agenda
by Peter Steinhäuser 03 May '25

03 May '25

Dear Collegues, we’re excited about the upcoming RIPE-90 and would like to share the IoT session agenda with you: Session starts: 11:00 A. Introduction & Housekeeping [5 min] B. Policy Certification and Verification for Cybersecurity in the IoT [30 min] Dr. Anna Maria Mandalari, Imperial College Lodon C. State of Device Identities [10min] Michael Richardson, Sandelman CA D. Detecting attacks using honeypot data from AIDE [15 min] Yuanyuan Zhou, Imperial College London E. IoT WG chair selection Session ends: 12:30 As you do the math you can see that we still have space for another contribution - volunteers would be very welcome! Best regards, Peter & Peter

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Anna Maria Mandalari for co-chair
by Mandalari, Anna Maria 22 Apr '25

22 Apr '25

Dear all, Many of you have seen my presentations or engaged with me over the years within the RIPE community and beyond, discussing IoT privacy, security, and measurement challenges. I would like to formally express my interest in serving as Co-Chair of the IoT Working Group. I am currently Assistant Professor in Communications & Networking at University College London (UCL), where I also serve as Director of the MSc in Internet Engineering and Telecommunications. I am an Honorary Research Fellow at Imperial College London and Visiting Professor at Yokohama National University. My research spans privacy, security, Internet measurement for IoT ecosystems, and I am also a member of the Executive Steering Board of the IoT Security Foundation. Over the last decade, my work has focused on the intersection of IoT, privacy, and cybersecurity. I have developed tools like COPSEC, IoTrim, and ReplIoT to address privacy and security challenges in IoT environments, aligning closely with regulatory initiatives such as the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA). I have collaborated with industry and regulators across the UK, EU, and Japan, leading projects on IoT security certification, adaptive privacy-preserving mechanisms, and privacy and security risk assessment. I have been an active member of the RIPE IoT Working Group, contributing with presentations, participation in discussions, and engaging with the community to bridge the gap between academic research, operational practice, and standardization efforts. Added Value as Co-Chair I believe I bring a unique profile that combines: * Deep academic expertise in IoT privacy, security, and Internet measurements; * Operational and testing insights through tool development and collaboration with industry partners; * Strong connections within cybersecurity and IoT standardization communities (IoTSF, IETF BMWG); * Experience with public engagement, creating awareness of IoT risks and best practices. Vision as Co-Chair As Co-Chair, I would like to: * Strengthen the dialogue between academia, industry, and policy makers within the WG; * Support initiatives around IoT security benchmarking, testing methodologies, and best practices dissemination; * Foster new contributions from diverse backgrounds and geographical areas; * Ensure continuity with the WG’s past work while driving new efforts aligned with emerging regulations and industry needs. I would be honored to contribute my expertise and energy to help the IoT WG continue its valuable mission. I look forward to the opportunity to support and serve the community. Best regards, Anna — Dr Anna Maria Mandalari Assistant Professor Department of Electronic & Electrical Engineering - University College London Honorary Research Fellow ISST - Imperial College London https://annamandalari.com/

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Re: Anna Maria Mandalari for co-chair
by Michael Richardson 12 Apr '25

12 Apr '25

I am really pleased for Prof. Mandalari to step forward for this. Fantastic! +1 +1 +1 -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF(a)sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide

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Call for volunteers or nominations for RIPE IoT Working Group co-chair
by Peter Steinhäuser 08 Apr '25

08 Apr '25

Dear Colleagues As Peter Wehrle's term as IoT WG co-chair is about to end with RIPE 90, this is a call for nominations or volunteers to co-chair the RIPE IoT working group. *********************************************************************** Please DO NOT reply to this message if you wish to propose a volunteer. *********************************************************************** I would like to ask for each candidate to start a new thread with, e.g., "[name] for co-chair", and for members to express their support for a candidate by replying to the respective e-mail thread. Provided there are no reasoned objections from the WG, I'd like to set May 10th as a deadline for showing support on the mailing list, so that we can announce the decision on May 14th during the IoT WG session at RIPE 90. More information about WG co-chair's responsibilities can be found here: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-692. If you'd like further information, don't hesitate to contact us via iot-wg-chairs(a)ripe.net. Thanks for your support, Peter — Peter Steinhaeuser RIPE IoT WG Co-Chair

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[Co-Chair selection process]
by Peter Steinhäuser 07 Apr '25

07 Apr '25

Dear colleagues, the term of my valued Co-Chair, Peter Wehrle, ends with RIPE-90. With the changes to the Co-Chair selection process introduced for RIPE-88 we did receive well founded criticism around the procedure of the adjustment of the selection process, specifically that we did not sufficiently seek consensus on the WG mailing list. For the upcoming RIPE meeting's Co-Chair selection process, we would like to initiate a discussion about the selection process that should lead to consensus within the WG. The WG's statutes describe the process in general but not in detail (https://www.ripe.net/community/wg/active-wg/iot/internet-of-things-wg-chair…) Before RIPE-88 the following procedure was used: 1) Several weeks before the respective RIPE meeting the WG's remaining Co-Chair sends out a call for candidates to the WG mailing list. 2) Candidates start a new e-mail thread on the mailing list with i.e. "[name] for co-chair" and their application 3) WG members express their support by responding to the e-mail 4) The candidate who gains most supporters is selected as the new WG Co-chair In the light of what happened during the Co-Chair selection of the Open Source WG at RIPE-87 in Rome we did discuss something like that could be avoided. Therefore, a changed process was used for RIPE-88: 1) <same as above> 2) Candidates send their applications to the remaining WG Co-Chair 3) Several days before the RIPE meeting the remaining Co-Chair sends a list of the candidates and their applications to the mailing list 4) During the WG session at the RIPE-meeting attendees can express their support using Meetecho. This process was announced on the mailing list but may not have been discussed appropriately. We would like to address the comments received on the mailing list and at RIPE-88 to find proper consensus in the WG. As mentioned above the major reason to introduce a change was that in the event mentioned it occurred that in a very short timeframe many persons who never were active in that WG before subscribed to the mailing list and expressed support for one specific candidate. Using Meetecho for RIPE-Meeting attendees (online & offline) was an attempt to address this - but of course may exclude WG members to express their support. We're looking forward for your feedback and would like to find consensus on the procedure during the next days. Best regards, Peter

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Call for IoT WG Presentations (RIPE90, Lisbon, May 12th - May 16th, 2025)
by Peter Steinhäuser 17 Mar '25

17 Mar '25

Dear Collegues, the next RIPE Meeting is coming soon - our wg meeting slot is allocated on Wednesday, May 14rd 11h-12:30h local time. This could be your opportunity to present your topic to the WG! If you would like to give a presentation during the IoT WG session, please contact us at iot-wg-chairs(a)ripe.net. A talk should be 20-30 min including Q&A (usually 5-10min). We are already in the process of defining the agenda for the WG meeting but still have space for your contributions! Remote participation is also welcome, so please do not hestiate to contact us with an IoT related topic, from security considerations to networking impacts - it’s a wide field with many interesting developments! Thanks and best regards! Peter & Peter

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[RIPE-89] IoT WG Session Agenda
by Peter Steinhäuser 26 Oct '24

26 Oct '24

Dear Collegues, RIPE-89 is around the corner and we’re glad to provide you our WG’s meeting agenda. Session starts: 11:00 A. Introduction & Housekeeping [5 min] B. Low-Cost Weather Stations in Kyrgyzstan’s Challenging Terrain [25 min] Aziz Soltobaev C. A summary of the NIST NCCoE Trusted IoT Device Network-Layer Onboarding and Lifecycle Management effort [25 min] Michael Richardson E. Wi-Fi HaLow 802.11ah & Real-World performance results) [25 min] Troy Martin F. Closing [5 min] Session ends: 12:30 Best regards, Peter & Peter

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[RIPE-89] IoT WG Session Agenda Draft
by Peter Steinhäuser 16 Oct '24

16 Oct '24

Dear Collegues, we’re excited about the upcoming RIPE-89 and would like to share the current draft of the IoT session agenda with you. We still have a timeslot available, if someone has an interesting topic feel free to reach out to us! Session starts: 11:00 A. Introduction & Housekeeping [5 min] B. Low-Cost Weather Stations in Kyrgyzstan’s Challenging Terrain [25-30 min] Aziz Soltobaev C. WiFi HaLow (exeact titel to be defined) [25-30 min] Troy Martin D. ??? E. Misc Session ends: 12:30 Best regards, Peter & Peter

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Scanning for IoT devices
by Hank Nussbacher 27 Sep '24

27 Sep '24

Hi. I am new to this list but not new to RIPE. I am looking for stats on IoT devices similar in nature to the Shadowserver work: https://dashboard.shadowserver.org/statistics/iot-devices/map/ What they display for IoT devices are those devices that are open for port forwarding. But nowadays, the vast amount of IoT devices do not use port forwarding but are rather cloud based. Test by simply looking for Ring doorbells or Samsung refrigerators - of which there are millions. In their dashboard they are not even listed as a single device. Can someone point me to alternative data on IoT devices similar in style to the Shadowserver work - broken down by regions or countries, or by product types? Thanks, Hank

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Call for IoT WG Presentations (RIPE89, Prague, Oct 8th - Nov 1st, 2024)
by Peter Steinhäuser 17 Sep '24

17 Sep '24

Dear Collegues, the next RIPE Meeting is coming soon - our wg meeting slot is allocated on Wednesday, Oct 3rd 11h-12:30h local time. This could be your opportunity to present your topic to the WG! If you would like to give a presentation during the IoT WG session, please contact us at iot-wg-chairs(a)ripe.net. A talk should be 20-30 min including Q&A (usually 5-10min). We are already in the process of defining the agenda for the WG meeting but still have space for your contributions! Remote participation is also welcome, so please do not hestiate to contact us with an IoT related topic, from security considerations to networking impacts - it’s a wide field with many interesting developments! Thanks and best regards! Peter & Peter

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Upcoming IoT Hackathon in Belgrade – Sept 13, 14
by Desiree Miloshevic 15 Sep '24

15 Sep '24

Dear Members The upcoming annual IoT hackathon will take place in Belgrade, South Eastern Europe this coming Friday and Saturday. This event might be of particular interest to you, especially a talk on IoT Security and Open Source Tools scheduled for Saturday, September 14. Attendance is free of charge, and there will also be a live stream available. For more information, please visit: https://descon.me/2024 <https://descon.me/2024>. Best Desiree Miloshevic --

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Call for RIPE IoT Working Group Chair
by peter.wehrle＠t-online.de 22 May '24

22 May '24

Dear colleagues, as announced, we asked for volunteers to co-chair the RIPE IoT working group. Until now, I got contacted by 2 volunteers who like to being elected for co-chair: * David Schweizer * Peter Steinhäuser If anybody else like to volunteer as well, we keep the chance for application open until Thu 16th May (4 days before the RIPE starts). Please feel free to send a mail directly to this mailing list - with your name and some words as to why you think you ought to be a co-chair, what new ideas, or improvements you might bring, and so on. Please feel free to give your support to the candidates within the mailing list. The election itself will take place live during the IoT workgroup session using Mastrodon giving equal chance to people being in the room as well as live online participants. Kind regards, Peter Wehrle IoT co-chair

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Candidate David Schweizer
by peter.wehrle＠t-online.de 21 May '24

21 May '24

David, you mentioned, you haven't missed any RIPE conference since 2020 and you are planning to be around in Krakow. Unfortunately, I haven't received any further words on you, yet. As it was time to publish the candidates, please feel to add any word you like to share about you with the community beforehand by sending a mail directly to this mailing list. See you in Krakow Kind regards, Peter Wehrle IoT co-chair

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[RIPE-88] IoT WG Session Agenda
by Peter Steinhäuser 21 May '24

21 May '24

Dear Collegues, we’re excited about the upcoming RIPE-88 and would like to share the IoT session agenda with you: Session starts: 11:00 A. Introduction & Housekeeping [5 min] B. BBF IoT operator activities [25 min] Eric van Uden C. Identifying Security Weaknesses in Thread Networks for the Internet of Things (IoT) [25 min] Poonam Yadav D. RIPE NCC IoT Update [25min] Jad el Cham / RIPE NCC E. IoT WG chair selection Session ends: 12:30 Best regards, Peter & Peter

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Call for RIPE IoT Working Group Chair
by peter.wehrle＠t-online.de 07 May '24

07 May '24

Dear colleagues, as announced, we asked for volunteers to co-chair the RIPE IoT working group. Until now, I got contacted by 2 volunteers who like to being elected for co-chair: * David Schweizer * Peter Steinhäuser If anybody else like to volunteer as well, we keep the chance for application open until Thu 16th May (4 days before the RIPE starts). Please feel free to send a mail directly to this mailing list - with your name and some words as to why you think you ought to be a co-chair, what new ideas, or improvements you might bring, and so on. Please feel free to give your support to the candidates within the mailing list. The election itself will take place live during the IoT workgroup session using Mastrodon giving equal chance to people being in the room as well as live online participants. Kind regards, Peter Wehrle IoT co-chair

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Candidate Peter Steinhäuser
by peter.wehrle＠t-online.de 06 May '24

06 May '24

Here are a few words from Peter Steinhäuser: After one term as the co-chair of the RIPE-IoT WG I still have the feeling that there's a lot more we can do. Although the latest activites (especially during the last RIPE meetings) point into a good direction there's still too little overall activitiy, I think. Matter and Thread are relatively new but are gaining traction. Since thread is based upon IPv6 the actual network impact of IoT devices will increase. Working closer with other RIPE WG's (i.e. DNS or IPv6) can bring more purpose to this WG. My work background offers other opportunities for discussions and working on standards: In the last year I did work with our team to bring device fingerprinting into the Telecom Infra Project (TIP) which has been adopted as the solution for TIP's Enterprise WiFi software stack. Since it's fully integrated into OpenWrt and open source it has the potential to become a standard solution. We did already receive very helpful feedback that helped improving the approach. In my role as project manager for prplOS in the prpl Foundation I'm also in contact with the industry organisations (BBF, WBA) that drive integration of IoT devices into the management approaches of large network operators. While I do understand their desire to get an overview of the network topology at their customers' homes for troubleshooting and servicing I believe there's a line to be drawn between what the operators need and the privacy requirements of their customers. I want to increase the collaboration between our community and such organisations to bring in the RIPE communities standpoint and ideas. The operator's activities regarding IoT are at an early stage and it's a good time to bring in other views on the matter and make them aware. That's the reason I arranged a talk for the next RIPE meeting about the BBF's current activities, which will allow the WG to provide feedback directly. I would appreaciate your support for my standing again for co-chair for this WG, I'm convinced that I can contribute a lot and will work on initating new activities with my co-chair. Many thanks Peter for your words. Kind regards, Peter Wehrle IoT co-chair

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Call for IoT WG Presentations (RIPE88, Kraków, 20th -24th May, 2024)
by Peter Steinhäuser 12 Apr '24

12 Apr '24

Dear Collegues, the next RIPE Meeting is coming soon - our wg meeting slot is allocated on Wednesday, 22nd May 11h-12:30h local time. This could be your opportunity to present your topic to the WG! If you would like to give a presentation during the IoT WG session, please contact us at iot-wg-chairs(a)ripe.net. A talk should be 20-30 min including Q&A (usually 5-10min). We are already in the process of defining the agenda for the WG meeting but still have space for your contributions! Remote participation is also welcome, so please do not hestiate to contact us with an IoT related topic, from security considerations to networking impacts - it’s a wide field with many interesting developments! Thanks and best regards! Peter & Peter

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Call for RIPE IoT Working Group Chair
by peter.wehrle＠t-online.de 07 Apr '24

07 Apr '24

Dear colleagues, This is a call for nominations or volunteers to co-chair the RIPE IoT working group. **************************************************************************** ********* Please DO NOT reply to this message if you wish to propose a volunteer. **************************************************************************** ********* Call for RIPE IoT Working Group Chair In accordance with the chair selection process we announce that the term of one of our co-chairs (Peter Steinhäuser) will expire at the upcoming RIPE 88 Meeting. We would like to invite volunteers, or nominations for someone to become a co-chair of the IoT working group. Anyone may volunteer, and anyone may be nominated by someone else (we will check with the person for acceptance). To do this, please send a mail to <peter.wehrle AT t-online.de> before 30th April 2024. Please DO NOT send your volunteer/nomination directly to the IoT WG mailing list. It would be helpful for candidates to give some words as to why they think they ought to be a co-chair, what new ideas, or improvements they might bring, and so on. I will publish the list of volunteers, along with anything the volunteers wish to include with their nomination, to this mailing list no later than 4th May 2024. Discussion and support (or opposition) for each candidate can then be offered on the list. You can find a job description for RIPE WG Chairs here: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/wgchair-job-description You can find an e-learning course about the role and responsibilities of RIPE Working Chairs here: https://academy.ripe.net/enrol/index.php?id=16 Please feel free to reach out to any of the chairs directly, to us as a group at iot-wg-chairs AT ripe.net, or discuss this or any other any relevant topic on this mailing list. Kind regards, Peter Wehrle IoT co-chair

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Desiree Miloshevic Evans: How do we unlock consumer trust for IoT?
by Johan Helsingius 17 Jan '24

17 Jan '24

You might find this piece by my cooperation WG co-chair Desiree interesting: https://www.techradar.com/pro/how-do-we-unlock-consumer-trust-for-iot Julf

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