Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial
Dears, I have to investigate model of ENUM trial in countries for my report relating to the preparation for ENUM trial in Vietnam. However I'm strucking with a question that i can not clear. Pls help me. These trial use existing telephone number in the country numbering plan for the trial. In Japan, 050 (IP Telephony), mobile number range, geographic telephone number, ext... are used. However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ? For example Provider A was delegated 0AB-CDEF-GHJK number range. But Proviser A did not participate in the ENUM trial. Can their subcribers used the number belonging to this range to register ENUM. How can services be provided to ENUM user with this number. In this case, could this number range be used in ENUM service ? Pls help me to clarify this. Any more information is very useful for me. Thanks & best regards. Thu Thuy.
On 9 Nov 2005, at 09:28, Thu Thuy wrote:
However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ?
Hallo, Thu Thuy. This depends on the relevant local practices and regulations. In Ireland (+353), for the trial, any subscriber could approach a Tier-2 registrar and, subject to meeting the validation and eligibility requirements, have her number entered in the 3.5.3.e164.arpa DNS hierarchy. I expect the production regime for +353 will be similar. We had two Tier-2 registrars in the trial, each targeting a not-very-narrowly restricted subscriber group. My university was one of these registrars, and considered "eligible" any member of the "University Community". The trial was not so widely announced that we had to worry about the numbers. For clarity, I should maybe add that UCD is not a telco. 8-) Note that with subscriber opt-in, number ranges are relevant not at the level of allocation to telephone service operators, but only where the subscriber holds a block assignment, as in the case, for example, of a corporate customer. Try dig 6.1.7.1.3.5.3.e164.arpa any and bear in mind that this part of the +353 numbering plan has numbers of the form +353-1-xxx-xxxx. Best regards, Niall O'Reilly University College Dublin Computing Services M: +353 (0)87 221 0237 T: +353 (0)1 716 2360 F: +353 (0)1 283 7077 PGP: AE995ED9 (23DC C6DE 8874 2432 2BE0 3905 7987 E48D AE99 5ED9) SIP: no8@iptel.org, 2850*668@INOC-DBA.pch.net
Hi, O'Reilly, Girard, Thank you for your guide. I know your name, O'Reilly, through quite many presentations i've searched in the Web. I feel glad to talk to you. I now understand the using of numbering for ENUM trial. However, the main point of my concern now is the services provided to ENUM user when their providers do not participate the ENUM trial. Sympathise with me if my technical knowledge is not relevant, as i'm quite new. How are services provided to ENUM registrant if their service provider from which they obtain telephone number doesn't take part in the trial structure. For example, i got a telephone number +050-xxx-xxx from my Japanese VoIP provider, assuming that :). My service provider is not in ENUM trial structure of Japan. When i bring this number to register ENUM record, how the VoIP service be provided to me through ENUM. Or in that case, i can only use other kind of services such as mail, fax, web with ENUM registration ? Or through ENUM, other VoIP provider which offered service for the trial will provide me service. I think it's not right when two defferent provider provide same service for same number ? Pls help me again. BTW, could you pls tell me what kind of services now are offered in your ENUM trial. Kindest regards, Thu Thuy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall O'Reilly" <Niall.oReilly@ucd.ie> To: "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy@vnnic.net.vn> Cc: "Niall O'Reilly" <Niall.oReilly@ucd.ie>; <enum-wg@ripe.net>; "Irish ENUM Interest Group" <ENUM-353-IG@listserv.heanet.ie> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial On 9 Nov 2005, at 09:28, Thu Thuy wrote:
However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ?
Hallo, Thu Thuy. This depends on the relevant local practices and regulations. In Ireland (+353), for the trial, any subscriber could approach a Tier-2 registrar and, subject to meeting the validation and eligibility requirements, have her number entered in the 3.5.3.e164.arpa DNS hierarchy. I expect the production regime for +353 will be similar. We had two Tier-2 registrars in the trial, each targeting a not-very-narrowly restricted subscriber group. My university was one of these registrars, and considered "eligible" any member of the "University Community". The trial was not so widely announced that we had to worry about the numbers. For clarity, I should maybe add that UCD is not a telco. 8-) Note that with subscriber opt-in, number ranges are relevant not at the level of allocation to telephone service operators, but only where the subscriber holds a block assignment, as in the case, for example, of a corporate customer. Try dig 6.1.7.1.3.5.3.e164.arpa any and bear in mind that this part of the +353 numbering plan has numbers of the form +353-1-xxx-xxxx. Best regards, Niall O'Reilly University College Dublin Computing Services M: +353 (0)87 221 0237 T: +353 (0)1 716 2360 F: +353 (0)1 283 7077 PGP: AE995ED9 (23DC C6DE 8874 2432 2BE0 3905 7987 E48D AE99 5ED9) SIP: no8@iptel.org, 2850*668@INOC-DBA.pch.net
Dear Thu Thuy, In Japan, ENUM trial will use virtual numbers which are NOT in the range of actual use. Government does not like to see numbers that look like actually-used numbers. Thus, 050 or 0AB numbers will not be used in the trial. Trial participants (providers) will be given virtual telephone numbers by the trial secretariat. Those numbers will have prefix 00, which do not exist as currently-used numbers. Hiro On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:28:41 +0700 "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy@vnnic.net.vn> wrote:
Dears,
I have to investigate model of ENUM trial in countries for my report relating to the preparation for ENUM trial in Vietnam. However I'm strucking with a question that i can not clear. Pls help me.
These trial use existing telephone number in the country numbering plan for the trial. In Japan, 050 (IP Telephony), mobile number range, geographic telephone number, ext... are used.
However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ?
For example Provider A was delegated 0AB-CDEF-GHJK number range. But Proviser A did not participate in the ENUM trial. Can their subcribers used the number belonging to this range to register ENUM. How can services be provided to ENUM user with this number. In this case, could this number range be used in ENUM service ?
Pls help me to clarify this. Any more information is very useful for me.
Thanks & best regards.
Thu Thuy.
HiroHOTTA wrote:
Dear Thu Thuy,
In Japan, ENUM trial will use virtual numbers which are NOT in the range of actual use. Government does not like to see numbers that look like actually-used numbers. Thus, 050 or 0AB numbers will not be used in the trial.
Sounds like they have been talking to the USGovt :-) <sigh)
Trial participants (providers) will be given virtual telephone numbers by the trial secretariat. Those numbers will have prefix 00, which do not exist as currently-used numbers.
Hiro
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:28:41 +0700 "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy@vnnic.net.vn> wrote:
Dears,
I have to investigate model of ENUM trial in countries for my report relating to the preparation for ENUM trial in Vietnam. However I'm strucking with a question that i can not clear. Pls help me.
These trial use existing telephone number in the country numbering plan for the trial. In Japan, 050 (IP Telephony), mobile number range, geographic telephone number, ext... are used.
However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ?
For example Provider A was delegated 0AB-CDEF-GHJK number range. But Proviser A did not participate in the ENUM trial. Can their subcribers used the number belonging to this range to register ENUM. How can services be provided to ENUM user with this number. In this case, could this number range be used in ENUM service ?
Pls help me to clarify this. Any more information is very useful for me.
Thanks & best regards.
Thu Thuy.
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Thanks Hiro Hotta, May be i confuse with ENUM number in other coutry as Autria. Do Japan have any plan to use real telephone number in ENUM service, so people can use just the number they have to register for ENUM service ? Best regards, Thu Thuy ----- Original Message ----- From: "HiroHOTTA" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> To: "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy@vnnic.net.vn> Cc: <enum-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial Dear Thu Thuy, In Japan, ENUM trial will use virtual numbers which are NOT in the range of actual use. Government does not like to see numbers that look like actually-used numbers. Thus, 050 or 0AB numbers will not be used in the trial. Trial participants (providers) will be given virtual telephone numbers by the trial secretariat. Those numbers will have prefix 00, which do not exist as currently-used numbers. Hiro On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:28:41 +0700 "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy@vnnic.net.vn> wrote:
Dears,
I have to investigate model of ENUM trial in countries for my report relating to the preparation for ENUM trial in Vietnam. However I'm strucking with a question that i can not clear. Pls help me.
These trial use existing telephone number in the country numbering plan for the trial. In Japan, 050 (IP Telephony), mobile number range, geographic telephone number, ext... are used.
However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ?
For example Provider A was delegated 0AB-CDEF-GHJK number range. But Proviser A did not participate in the ENUM trial. Can their subcribers used the number belonging to this range to register ENUM. How can services be provided to ENUM user with this number. In this case, could this number range be used in ENUM service ?
Pls help me to clarify this. Any more information is very useful for me.
Thanks & best regards.
Thu Thuy.
Dear Thu Thuy, There is no concrete plan. The numbers to be used in ENUM will be discussed during the trial. Hiro On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:46:36 +0700 "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy@vnnic.net.vn> wrote:
Thanks Hiro Hotta,
May be i confuse with ENUM number in other coutry as Autria. Do Japan have any plan to use real telephone number in ENUM service, so people can use just the number they have to register for ENUM service ?
Best regards,
Thu Thuy
----- Original Message ----- From: "HiroHOTTA" <hotta@jprs.co.jp> To: "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy@vnnic.net.vn> Cc: <enum-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial
Dear Thu Thuy,
In Japan, ENUM trial will use virtual numbers which are NOT in the range of actual use. Government does not like to see numbers that look like actually-used numbers. Thus, 050 or 0AB numbers will not be used in the trial. Trial participants (providers) will be given virtual telephone numbers by the trial secretariat. Those numbers will have prefix 00, which do not exist as currently-used numbers.
Hiro
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:28:41 +0700 "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy@vnnic.net.vn> wrote:
Dears,
I have to investigate model of ENUM trial in countries for my report relating to the preparation for ENUM trial in Vietnam. However I'm strucking with a question that i can not clear. Pls help me.
These trial use existing telephone number in the country numbering plan for the trial. In Japan, 050 (IP Telephony), mobile number range, geographic telephone number, ext... are used.
However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ?
For example Provider A was delegated 0AB-CDEF-GHJK number range. But Proviser A did not participate in the ENUM trial. Can their subcribers used the number belonging to this range to register ENUM. How can services be provided to ENUM user with this number. In this case, could this number range be used in ENUM service ?
Pls help me to clarify this. Any more information is very useful for me.
Thanks & best regards.
Thu Thuy.
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