RE: [enum-wg] regulator prohibiting current practice of use of +4 9 numbers for voip, update
All,
-----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-admin@ripe.net]On Behalf Of Carsten Schiefner Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:48 PM To: enum-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [enum-wg] regulator prohibiting current practice of use of +49 numbers for voip, update
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I'll post the link to the english press release as soon as it becomes available.
here we go: http://www.regtp.de/en/aktuelles/pm/03233/ Best, Carsten -- Carsten Schiefner | p: +49 441 234-4571 Deutsche Telekom T-Com | f: +49 431 7163-3972 TK44 - Network Information Center | Ammerlander Heerstr. 138 | mailto:Carsten.Schiefner@t-com.net D-26129 Oldenburg | http://www.t-com.net
Our Regulator (URTiP) has assigned (last week) the non-georgraphical block for VoIP for "Telekomunikacja Polska SA" (subsidiary company of FT). This is the first official assignment for VoIP in Poland (in the national numbering plan) The others operators are still using _geographical_ numbers for VoIP but ourRegulator seems not willing to verify this. Best, Andrzej. On Mon, 30 May 2005, Schiefner, Carsten wrote:
All,
-----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-admin@ripe.net]On Behalf Of Carsten Schiefner Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:48 PM To: enum-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [enum-wg] regulator prohibiting current practice of use of +49 numbers for voip, update
[...]
I'll post the link to the english press release as soon as it becomes available.
here we go:
http://www.regtp.de/en/aktuelles/pm/03233/
Best,
Carsten --
Carsten Schiefner | p: +49 441 234-4571 Deutsche Telekom T-Com | f: +49 431 7163-3972 TK44 - Network Information Center | Ammerlander Heerstr. 138 | mailto:Carsten.Schiefner@t-com.net D-26129 Oldenburg | http://www.t-com.net
Hi Andrzej, Andrzej Bartosiewicz wrote:
Our Regulator (URTiP) has assigned (last week) the non-georgraphical block for VoIP for "Telekomunikacja Polska SA" (subsidiary company of FT). This is the first official assignment for VoIP in Poland (in the national numbering plan)
The others operators are still using _geographical_ numbers for VoIP but ourRegulator seems not willing to verify this.
could you clarify what you precisely mean by the polish regulator not being "willing to verify this"? Thanks, -C.
could you clarify what you precisely mean by the polish regulator not being "willing to verify this"?
-If the subscriber is calling from within this geographical region -Offering "emergency services" (112, 997, 998, 999) and redirection of the call to the nearest emergency unit of Police, Fire Brigade or Ambulance. -fulfilling the obligation of TSPs to provide the _real_ location of the subscriber to the Police/Ambulance/Fire Brigade instead of the "correspondence" address Andrzej
Dear all (especially, Austria, Poland, and Romania colleagues), I have a question about the progress matrix in RIPE web page. http://www.centr.org/kim/enum/index.html There is a status called "production" where Austria, Poland, and Romania are in. What is the definition of "production status" in your case? In other words, what aspects of your ENUM services are in production status in your case? - it brings money? anybody in the public can use? production-quality system? .....? Thanks for your assistance. Regards, Hiro
In Poland: -the ENUM Registry system (in our case it's based on EPP) is ready and in operation -every TSP can sign the agreement with NASK and start registration (in our case only TSPs can act as Registrars) -NASK will charge TSP for registration -every registered domain name is visible in 8.4.e164.arpa -E164 numbers registered as ENUM domain names are subject to Telecommunication Law. In my opinion the "production" means that there is defined (formal) way to register ENUM domain name and such domain name after registration is visible under .<cc>.e164.arpa. Andrzej. On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, HiroHOTTA wrote:
Dear all (especially, Austria, Poland, and Romania colleagues),
I have a question about the progress matrix in RIPE web page. http://www.centr.org/kim/enum/index.html There is a status called "production" where Austria, Poland, and Romania are in. What is the definition of "production status" in your case? In other words, what aspects of your ENUM services are in production status in your case? - it brings money? anybody in the public can use? production-quality system? .....?
Thanks for your assistance.
Regards, Hiro
Andrzej, Alex, Adrian, Richard, Thanks all for your quick responses. Your responses help me understand the situation and investigate what JP should consider. Hiro On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:18:59 +0200 (CEST) Andrzej Bartosiewicz <andrzejb@nask.pl> wrote:
In Poland: -the ENUM Registry system (in our case it's based on EPP) is ready and in operation -every TSP can sign the agreement with NASK and start registration (in our case only TSPs can act as Registrars) -NASK will charge TSP for registration -every registered domain name is visible in 8.4.e164.arpa -E164 numbers registered as ENUM domain names are subject to Telecommunication Law.
In my opinion the "production" means that there is defined (formal) way to register ENUM domain name and such domain name after registration is visible under .<cc>.e164.arpa.
Andrzej.
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, HiroHOTTA wrote:
Dear all (especially, Austria, Poland, and Romania colleagues),
I have a question about the progress matrix in RIPE web page. http://www.centr.org/kim/enum/index.html There is a status called "production" where Austria, Poland, and Romania are in. What is the definition of "production status" in your case? In other words, what aspects of your ENUM services are in production status in your case? - it brings money? anybody in the public can use? production-quality system? .....?
Thanks for your assistance.
Regards, Hiro
Hiro, In Romania operators may apply for entering number ranges that are assigned by the telecom regulator under +40 also into e164.arpa. name space. The operator than assigns the numbers to its customers based on internal procedures. Operational means that the numbers are reachable both from PSTN and from the Internet using SIP protocol (open garden model). Adrian +40317105169 On Jun 3, 2005, at 7:49 AM, HiroHOTTA wrote:
Dear all (especially, Austria, Poland, and Romania colleagues),
I have a question about the progress matrix in RIPE web page. http://www.centr.org/kim/enum/index.html There is a status called "production" where Austria, Poland, and Romania are in. What is the definition of "production status" in your case? In other words, what aspects of your ENUM services are in production status in your case? - it brings money? anybody in the public can use? production-quality system? .....?
Thanks for your assistance.
Regards, Hiro
Adrian,
In Romania operators may apply for entering number ranges that are assigned by the telecom regulator under +40 also into e164.arpa. name space. The operator than assigns the numbers to its customers based on internal procedures.
It lookas like that Number Portability can not be implemented in Romania. What happens if the number range is assigned to operator and after that some numbers are ported to anoter operator. Andrzej.
Number portability is not possible at this moment, there are plans for the near future. On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Andrzej Bartosiewicz wrote:
Adrian,
In Romania operators may apply for entering number ranges that are assigned by the telecom regulator under +40 also into e164.arpa. name space. The operator than assigns the numbers to its customers based on internal procedures.
It lookas like that Number Portability can not be implemented in Romania. What happens if the number range is assigned to operator and after that some numbers are ported to anoter operator.
Andrzej.
As I understand ENUM Registry MUST canclel/terminate all the ENUM registration of the numbering blocks after NP implementation in Romania. Additionally Registry should "transfer" all the ENUM domain names from the Registrars (Operators) to the Registry. Am I right? Andrzej On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Adrian Georgescu wrote:
Number portability is not possible at this moment, there are plans for the near future.
On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Andrzej Bartosiewicz wrote:
Adrian,
In Romania operators may apply for entering number ranges that are assigned by the telecom regulator under +40 also into e164.arpa. name space. The operator than assigns the numbers to its customers based on internal procedures.
It lookas like that Number Portability can not be implemented in Romania. What happens if the number range is assigned to operator and after that some numbers are ported to anoter operator.
Andrzej.
Andrzej, I cannot imagine how ENUM registrations could be "canceled", as the numbers are delegated based on current administrative policies in place. Should NP be implemented, ENUM can be an enabler. With fixed numbering plans like in .ro delegation of each individual number is possible. Adrian On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Andrzej Bartosiewicz wrote:
As I understand ENUM Registry MUST canclel/terminate all the ENUM registration of the numbering blocks after NP implementation in Romania.
Additionally Registry should "transfer" all the ENUM domain names from the Registrars (Operators) to the Registry. Am I right?
Andrzej
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Adrian Georgescu wrote:
Number portability is not possible at this moment, there are plans for the near future.
On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Andrzej Bartosiewicz wrote:
Adrian,
In Romania operators may apply for entering number ranges that are assigned by the telecom regulator under +40 also into e164.arpa. name space. The operator than assigns the numbers to its customers based on internal procedures.
It lookas like that Number Portability can not be implemented in Romania. What happens if the number range is assigned to operator and after that some numbers are ported to anoter operator.
Andrzej.
Let's imaging the following situation. Operator A has registerd in the central database numbering block 1XXX (1.<cc>.e164.arpa.) Operator A has registerd in DNS "1000" E164 number (0.0.0.1.<cc>.e164.arpa) for his customer C. NP is implemented and customer C is porting his number from Operator A to Operator B Finally, customer C is the B's customer for "1000" number and the same time the (lifelong) Registrar of ENUM number "1000" is... Operator A. Customer C MUST always contact Operator A. What happens in case of A bankruptcy? It sounds strange. Andrzej. On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Adrian Georgescu wrote:
Andrzej,
I cannot imagine how ENUM registrations could be "canceled", as the numbers are delegated based on current administrative policies in place. Should NP be implemented, ENUM can be an enabler. With fixed numbering plans like in .ro delegation of each individual number is possible.
Adrian
On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Andrzej Bartosiewicz wrote:
As I understand ENUM Registry MUST canclel/terminate all the ENUM registration of the numbering blocks after NP implementation in Romania.
Additionally Registry should "transfer" all the ENUM domain names from the Registrars (Operators) to the Registry. Am I right?
Andrzej
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Adrian Georgescu wrote:
Number portability is not possible at this moment, there are plans for the near future.
On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Andrzej Bartosiewicz wrote:
Adrian,
In Romania operators may apply for entering number ranges that are assigned by the telecom regulator under +40 also into e164.arpa. name space. The operator than assigns the numbers to its customers based on internal procedures.
It lookas like that Number Portability can not be implemented in Romania. What happens if the number range is assigned to operator and after that some numbers are ported to anoter operator.
Andrzej.
HiroHOTTA wrote:
What is the definition of "production status" in your case? In other words, what aspects of your ENUM services are in production status in your case? - it brings money? anybody in the public can use? production-quality system? .....?
All, here in Austria, "production status" means to us that: - we have a contract with the regulator where operations of the ENUM zone is assigned to us - a company dedicated to provide ENUM registry services. - ENUM delegations show up in 3.4.e164.arpa. - we have production quality registry and DNS systems at the same availability and performance levels as the local ccTLD system in place (actually, it's even more advanced than the ccTLD system) - we have registrars offering commercially available ENUM based products on the market - we have a "watertight" legal framework about registration, validation and registrar relationship - we have a number range created by the regulator where ENUM entries are obligatory (+43 780) - and are authoritative for routing the calls even in the PSTN. - we are charging delegation fees So that means: - Anybody owning a phone number in Austria can approach one of our registrars, and register the ENUM domain corresponding to his numbers. - Anybody can approach one of our registrars, and register a "+43 780" number - as long as the ENUM domain is available, the number is available as well (like a xTLD [no, i don't neccessarily mean .xxx ;)] - Any company which wants to provide ENUM based services to it's customers can sign up as a registrar with enum.at If anything is still unclear, don't hesitate to contact me. cheers Alex Mayrhofer enum.at
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Schiefner, Carsten