RE: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial
Admittedly then it may be very difficult to undertake a complete and transparent trial (Including all call case scenarios, money swaps, PSTN to XoIP) I spoke at a conference in Lisbon last week and was asked why the expression 'virtual number' was not included in the syntax of my presentation. My answer was very simple. The numbers can be virtual under prerogative for a period of time but would ultimately be useless. It has to be the real deal of won't attract consumers. Those folks that drive demand. Granted that the ENUM service might need to be wrapped-up into some type of simple client. I am also increasingly astounded by the fact that the Tier 1, X.Y.e164.arpa root registry is constantly branded as monopolistic. There can only be one. Some quotes from the public consultation on VoIP services, Ireland (DTI UK consultation responses were similar): [4.2.2. is a clear message] 4.4.1 Summary of consultation issues ENUM allows end-users to have one address string (e.g. a telephone number) that will connect to any termination method of their choice (e.g. VoIP). It has been suggested that specific ENUM numbers be set aside, in order to promote take-up. If this was done, then the thorny problem of validation of the user's right to use a number would be side-stepped, as ENUM sign-up would happen automatically with number allocation. An entire range of numbers (i.e. including a separate access code) could be made available for the use of ENUM should the expected demand be great enough. Alternatively, a sub-range, i.e. using the first (and perhaps the second) digit from a VoIP access code, could be used to denote ENUM numbers. If a user wished to opt-out of ENUM, the right to that ENUM number would be lost. If a user opted out of a telephone line subscription, this would have no impact on their right to continue holding any specific ENUM number. 4.4.2 Views of Respondents The great majority of respondents to the first question above felt that existing E.164 numbers are adequate for ENUM purposes and that the allocation of a new range is not justified. Some respondents felt that this consultation paper is not the appropriate forum for debate on this topic. The answers to the second and third questions therefore need not be considered further, in view of the responses given to the first. 4.4.3 Commission's Position on numbers for ENUM ComReg agrees with the responses received. It is therefore not considered necessary to open a specific range of numbers for the use of ENUM at this time. This topic may be revisited at some stage in the future, if the need arises. Note: ComReg expects to publish a report on the ongoing deliberations of the Irish ENUM forum in October. This report will be available from ComReg's website at http://www.comreg.ie.] -----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Richard Shockey Sent: 21 November 2005 02:58 To: hotta@jprs.co.jp Cc: Thu Thuy; enum-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial HiroHOTTA wrote:
Dear Thu Thuy,
In Japan, ENUM trial will use virtual numbers which are NOT in the range of actual use. Government does not like to see numbers that look like actually-used numbers. Thus, 050 or 0AB numbers will not be used in the trial.
Sounds like they have been talking to the USGovt :-) <sigh)
Trial participants (providers) will be given virtual telephone numbers by the trial secretariat. Those numbers will have prefix 00, which do not exist as currently-used numbers.
Hiro
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:28:41 +0700 "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy@vnnic.net.vn> wrote:
Dears,
I have to investigate model of ENUM trial in countries for my report relating to the preparation for ENUM trial in Vietnam. However I'm strucking with a question that i can not clear. Pls help me.
These trial use existing telephone number in the country numbering plan for the trial. In Japan, 050 (IP Telephony), mobile number range, geographic telephone number, ext... are used.
However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ?
For example Provider A was delegated 0AB-CDEF-GHJK number range. But Proviser A did not participate in the ENUM trial. Can their subcribers used the number belonging to this range to register ENUM. How can services be provided to ENUM user with this number. In this case, could this number range be used in ENUM service ?
Pls help me to clarify this. Any more information is very useful for me.
Thanks & best regards.
Thu Thuy.
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Press Release Source: Country Code 1 ENUM LLC US ENUM Trial Launches February 21 Friday February 3, 11:33 am ET Companies Interested in Participating in the Trial Should Plan on Attending This Meeting DENVER--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 3, 2006--The Country Code 1 ENUM LLC (LLC) today announced the formation of a committee to coordinate testing activities among participants in its upcoming US ENUM trial. The first meeting of this committee, to be known as the LLC's Trial Participants Advisory Committee (TPAC), will take place in Richardson, Texas, on February 21, 2006. Companies who have an interest in participating in the trial should plan on attending this meeting. Meeting details will be posted on the LLC's web site (http://enumllc.com). The US ENUM trial will be based on the ENUM Forum's "Framework Document for a US/CC1 ENUM Trials Program," which can be found at http://www.enumf.org/home. The U.S. trial is expected to be conducted over a six-month period beginning in March. Companies wishing to participate can fulfill one or more of the defined roles for the trial: Tier 1B Registry, Tier 2 Nameserver Provider, Registrar, Authorization Agency, Host Carrier, Application Service Provider, and User Registrant. Companies choosing to participate are responsible for their own costs and will be expected to sign a Memorandum of Understanding with the CC1 ENUM LLC, which will be available on the LLC's web site (http://enumllc.com). Several telecommunications and Internet companies have already indicated an interest in participating. ENUM is a technology that allows users to combine the resources of the Internet with traditional telephony, uniting these two diverse worlds of communications and enabling a whole new range of communication applications. The ENUM system effectively enables individuals, businesses and other organizations to maximize the use of both the public Internet and the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) by associating telephone numbers with Internet domain names. As a result, phone numbers can be used to send traditional telephony services like voice calls or faxes which can be converted to packets for delivery to a variety of devices. On December 1, 2005, the U.S. government requested the temporary delegation of country code 1 to support an ENUM trial. That request was also supported in letters from the Canadian and Jamaican governments. Confirmation of the delegation is expected in mid-February, with the US ENUM trial expected to start in early March. During the next year, other NANP member countries may conduct national ENUM trials as well. The TPAC will coordinate the various trial activities and report the results of the trial to the LLC, which will publish the results and report them to various governmental agencies that have been following the industry's efforts toward ENUM implementation. The TPAC will be chaired by a Project Executive to be contracted for and selected by the LLC. Additional details and registration information for the meeting on February 21 will be posted on the LLC's web site. About Country Code 1 ENUM LLC The founding companies of Country Code 1 ENUM LLC are seeking to build a commercial implementation consistent with the relevant open standards of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) and the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) upon which ENUM is based. The new company will help to implement a single, public ENUM system for those nations within the NANP that choose to participate. The North American implementation of ENUM will adhere to national and industry privacy requirements. Country Code 1 ENUM LLC will manage the public infrastructure that translates traditional telephone numbers into Internet domain names, combining the reach and capabilities of the Internet with the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) to enable new communications capabilities. --
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Hi Rich, I am all excited about these news - I still wonder, however, if there isn't a crucial thing missing. Although the press release states:
On December 1, 2005, the U.S. government requested the temporary delegation of country code 1 to support an ENUM trial. That request was also supported in letters from the Canadian and Jamaican governments. Confirmation of the delegation is expected in mid-February, [...]
I haven't seen any request for a delegation of 1.e164.arpa coming yet via the RIPE NCC/ITU framework. Can you help us out here re. the status? Thanks - and have a nice weekend remainder, all: -C.
Carsten, The request to delegate Country Code 1 was submitted to the ITU in mid December 2005 by the United States, Canada and Jamaica. The request is currently in the ITU 60 day administrative approval period for a shared country code and I expect that the delegation approval from the ITU will occur before the schedule February 21st US trial kick-off date. Karen N. Mulberry Sr. Project Manager, Numbering Verizon PLEASE NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS Email: karen.mulberry@verizon.com -----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Carsten Schiefner Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 8:26 AM To: Richard Shockey Cc: enum-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [enum-wg] United States ENUM Trial Launches February 21 Hi Rich, I am all excited about these news - I still wonder, however, if there isn't a crucial thing missing. Although the press release states:
On December 1, 2005, the U.S. government requested the temporary delegation of country code 1 to support an ENUM trial. That request was also supported in letters from the Canadian and Jamaican governments. Confirmation of the delegation is expected in mid-February, [...]
I haven't seen any request for a delegation of 1.e164.arpa coming yet via the RIPE NCC/ITU framework. Can you help us out here re. the status? Thanks - and have a nice weekend remainder, all: -C.
Karen, Karen Mulberry wrote:
The request to delegate Country Code 1 was submitted to the ITU in mid December 2005 by the United States, Canada and Jamaica. The request is currently in the ITU 60 day administrative approval period for a shared country code and I expect that the delegation approval from the ITU will occur before the schedule February 21st US trial kick-off date.
from what I know the request should also have been sent to the RIPE NCC's email address for that very purpose, <enum-request@ripe.net>. ITU's ad interim procedures: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/inr/enum/procedures-02.html from my point of view are not really clear about the handling of an initial delegation request directly and _only_ sent to the ITU. However, they do speak about receiving such requests from the RIPE NCC which is in line with the instructions given to the RIPE NCC by IAB: http://iab.org/documents/docs/2004-08-12-enum-instructions.html Please find the RIPE NCC's How-To at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/enum-request.html This process is the one that AFAIK has been used for all other delegations so far. You may want to double-check. Best, Carsten
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