.de regulator starts proceeding against voip providers using +49 numbers for voip
hi! seems like regtp (.de regulator) starts to proceed against voip providers using +49 numbers for voip. a german article: http://golem.de/0408/33112.html basically the article says that regtp approached two of the more-well-known voip providers in germany and ordered them to stop using +49 numbers for voip users that 'are not located in the region of the number' (i.e. a 'user from duesseldorf' (i have no information on what regtp thinks that means) is not allowed to get a number from hamburg). the german non-regional prefix is currently still not available. so basically that means that german voip providers cannot use +49 numbers anymore. a non-german gateway or gateway-provider might help - sorry carsten, your folks might soon have to dial a foreign-cc-number to reach you from pstn via voip... i beleive the two providers are present here - if so, any further comments/info from that side would of course be more than interesting... :) kind regards, Chris Heinze
I would like a comment from people in germany whether the same rules exists for enterprise-based TDM-based PBX:es where a company (based in Frankfurt for example) have numbers one can dial direct which is located outside of Frankfurt. If you don't know, please ask someone. I.e. what I have found is that these "rules" which exists in the "traditional world" are violated already now in many many cases, and I am kind of concerned that a provider have to follow so many rules when IP is carrier when they don't have to if traditional telephony is in use. paf On Aug 20, 2004, at 08:10, Chris Heinze wrote:
hi!
seems like regtp (.de regulator) starts to proceed against voip providers using +49 numbers for voip.
a german article: http://golem.de/0408/33112.html
basically the article says that regtp approached two of the more-well-known voip providers in germany and ordered them to stop using +49 numbers for voip users that 'are not located in the region of the number' (i.e. a 'user from duesseldorf' (i have no information on what regtp thinks that means) is not allowed to get a number from hamburg).
the german non-regional prefix is currently still not available. so basically that means that german voip providers cannot use +49 numbers anymore. a non-german gateway or gateway-provider might help - sorry carsten, your folks might soon have to dial a foreign-cc-number to reach you from pstn via voip...
i beleive the two providers are present here - if so, any further comments/info from that side would of course be more than interesting... :)
kind regards,
Chris Heinze
Patrik, Patrik Fältström wrote:
I would like a comment from people in germany whether the same rules exists for enterprise-based TDM-based PBX:es where a company (based in Frankfurt for example) have numbers one can dial direct which is located outside of Frankfurt.
If you don't know, please ask someone.
I guess Chris and I can pick that up. Me too, I know of at least one geographic number for customer support services whose termination follows the sun around the globe... The difference, however, in these cases might be that the subscriber (aka. the company) indeed is legally established there. And that appears to be exactly what RegTP is requiring right now: you need to be a resident of the area the respective area code is assigned to. Then you are fine to use the number regardless where you are - apparently. I'll check for the legal basis for this order - that should lead to some clarity... RegTP's press release is available in German at: http://www.regtp.de/aktuelles/pm/03044/index.html - it is hopefully also accessible in English soon via: http://www.regtp.de/en/aktuelles/start/fs_03.html Cheers, -C.
On Aug 20, 2004, at 09:31, Carsten Schiefner wrote:
The difference, however, in these cases might be that the subscriber (aka. the company) indeed is legally established there. And that appears to be exactly what RegTP is requiring right now: you need to be a resident of the area the respective area code is assigned to. Then you are fine to use the number regardless where you are - apparently.
Aha, that is something different from what I read in the original message. paf
Hi Patrik, Patrik Fältström wrote:
On Aug 20, 2004, at 09:31, Carsten Schiefner wrote:
The difference, however, in these cases might be that the subscriber (aka. the company) indeed is legally established there. And that appears to be exactly what RegTP is requiring right now: you need to be a resident of the area the respective area code is assigned to. Then you are fine to use the number regardless where you are - apparently.
Aha, that is something different from what I read in the original message.
However, as I have learned in the meantime, Deutsche Telekom is offering a PSTN product called "T-Net vor Ort" (roughly: T-Net on-site) where a customer located in area A can get an area B number rerouted to his area A number - which appears to be pretty much what sipgate et al. are doing. Stay tuned, -C.
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