On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:05, Carsten Schiefner <enumvoipsip.cs@schiefner.de> wrote:
Michele -
On 13.11.2013 10:22, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
So is the WG a "person" or not?
this is an excellent question that AFAIK never got asked so far. So maybe firstly, the WG chairs collective might want to form an opinion about this?
That beside: would it make a difference to you in making the decision if the WG should join or not?
Maybe not to me personally, but if a WG becomes a person then what does that makes its members?
;-)
Best,
-C.
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Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-) On 13.11.2013 14:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Maybe not to me personally, but if a WG becomes a person then what does that makes its members?
On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Carsten Schiefner <enumvoipsip.cs@schiefner.de> wrote:
Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-)
Well its first item of business would be to decide if the ENUM WG is *really* dead or not. :-)
Hi, Op 13 nov. 2013, om 14:40 heeft Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> het volgende geschreven:
On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Carsten Schiefner <enumvoipsip.cs@schiefner.de> wrote:
Do I see the dawn for the need of a RIPE philosophy BoF? ;-)
Well its first item of business would be to decide if the ENUM WG is *really* dead or not. :-)
Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there has been in years! ;-) Cheers, Sander
On 13.11.2013 19:24, Sander Steffann wrote:
Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there has been in years! ;-)
Many people just silently using ENUM, that's it ;).
From what I heard Russian MNP (which is should start at December) are using closed ENUM.
Yep .. that what everyone is doing .. Interesting that RU is using a closed system if for M-LNP. Who BTW is running the RU system? -----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nikolay Shopik Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:16 AM To: Sander Steffann Cc: RIPE ENUM WG Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header On 13.11.2013 19:24, Sander Steffann wrote:
Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there has been in years! ;-)
Many people just silently using ENUM, that's it ;).
From what I heard Russian MNP (which is should start at December) are using closed ENUM.
The solution will be provided by Mediafon http://www.mediafon.lt/Number-portability-solution-860.html Operator - ZNIIS - Central institute for research in telecommunications http://www.zniis.ru/bdpn/documents It is about MNP But it was already deployed http://www.mediafon.lt/Number-portability-experience-862.html Dmitry On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:55, Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> wrote:
Yep .. that what everyone is doing .. Interesting that RU is using a closed system if for M-LNP.
Who BTW is running the RU system?
-----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nikolay Shopik Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:16 AM To: Sander Steffann Cc: RIPE ENUM WG Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header
On 13.11.2013 19:24, Sander Steffann wrote:
Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there has been in years! ;-)
Many people just silently using ENUM, that's it ;).
From what I heard Russian MNP (which is should start at December) are using closed ENUM.
Hey thanks for the info! Good to hear sounds like a great cost effective solution. The carriers in the US have always cached the NANP LNP data in localized ENUM boxes, typically from NetNumber. BTW the focus in the US now is on using closed ENUM systems it for all IP [SIP/IMS] interconnection data among carriers since everyone including the mobile operators want to junk their TDM/SS7 gear and Public Key Infrastructure for signing the inbound E.164 number in the INVITE to validate the origin call and combat Call Spoofing etc. It's an old rule of technology .. Once the hype stops .. it's a sure sign A. the technology is dead or B. Its fully deploying. :-) -----Original Message----- From: Dmitry Burkov [mailto:dburk@burkov.aha.ru] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 1:16 PM To: Richard Shockey Cc: Nikolay Shopik; Sander Steffann; RIPE ENUM WG Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header The solution will be provided by Mediafon http://www.mediafon.lt/Number-portability-solution-860.html Operator - ZNIIS - Central institute for research in telecommunications http://www.zniis.ru/bdpn/documents It is about MNP But it was already deployed http://www.mediafon.lt/Number-portability-experience-862.html Dmitry On 13 Nov 2013, at 21:55, Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> wrote:
Yep .. that what everyone is doing .. Interesting that RU is using a closed system if for M-LNP.
Who BTW is running the RU system?
-----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nikolay Shopik Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:16 AM To: Sander Steffann Cc: RIPE ENUM WG Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header
On 13.11.2013 19:24, Sander Steffann wrote:
Obviously not: there is more traffic on this mailing list now than there has been in years! ;-)
Many people just silently using ENUM, that's it ;).
From what I heard Russian MNP (which is should start at December) are using closed ENUM.
On 13.11.2013 22:47, Richard Shockey wrote:
BTW the focus in the US now is on using closed ENUM systems it for all IP [SIP/IMS] interconnection data among carriers since everyone including the mobile operators want to junk their TDM/SS7 gear and Public Key Infrastructure for signing the inbound E.164 number in the INVITE to validate the origin call and combat Call Spoofing etc.
We are lagging behind, for like 5-7 years. MNP only apply to mobile operators, local operators will still using TDM/SS7 and nowhere plan to junk their stuff. That's probably because our FSB didn't come up with new wiretapping technology for SIP/IMS yet. So they still need TDM to wiretap calls. SIP/IMS and public key, can you point me to draft/rfc?
-----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:enum-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nikolay Shopik Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:33 PM To: Richard Shockey Cc: 'RIPE ENUM WG' Subject: Re: [enum-wg] insert meaningless and irrelevant Subject header On 13.11.2013 22:47, Richard Shockey wrote:
BTW the focus in the US now is on using closed ENUM systems it for all IP [SIP/IMS] interconnection data among carriers since everyone including the mobile operators want to junk their TDM/SS7 gear and Public Key Infrastructure for signing the inbound E.164 number in the INVITE to validate the origin call and combat Call Spoofing etc.
We are lagging behind, for like 5-7 years. MNP only apply to mobile operators, local operators will still using TDM/SS7 and nowhere plan to junk their stuff. That's probably because our FSB didn't come up with new wiretapping technology for SIP/IMS yet. So they still need TDM to wiretap calls. [RS> ] Oh there are lots of US and Israeli firms that would be happy to help the FSB ! They have a lot of experience are really good at analyzing Call Details Records as well. :-) SIP/IMS and public key, can you point me to draft/rfc? [RS> ] The SIP/IMS interconnection issue is part of the regulators push for a PSTN Transition to all IP infrastructure. The big carriers want it as well... well get out from under the regulator first but there is a real issue in that the old TDM gear needs to be replaced and is simply too expensive to continue to operate and the SIP gear is cheaper. http://www.telecompetitor.com/pstn-phase-out-debate-continues-at-fcc/ http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/t-wants-fccs-blessing-shut-down-pst n/2010-01-03 The problem is that the half transition is now causing huge leakage in the system that is creating huge criminal fraud. https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/stir/charter/ The consensus opinion is the adapt DKIM to phone numbers. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6376 In any event all of this requires restructuring the numbering databases and that eventually ends up with ENUM somewhere in the picture. http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931878
the issue is still percentage of analog networks in Russia We estimated 10 years ago - but it still a problem to implement fixed-mobile NP On 13 Nov 2013, at 23:32, Nikolay Shopik <shopik@inblock.ru> wrote:
On 13.11.2013 22:47, Richard Shockey wrote:
BTW the focus in the US now is on using closed ENUM systems it for all IP [SIP/IMS] interconnection data among carriers since everyone including the mobile operators want to junk their TDM/SS7 gear and Public Key Infrastructure for signing the inbound E.164 number in the INVITE to validate the origin call and combat Call Spoofing etc.
We are lagging behind, for like 5-7 years. MNP only apply to mobile operators, local operators will still using TDM/SS7 and nowhere plan to junk their stuff. That's probably because our FSB didn't come up with new wiretapping technology for SIP/IMS yet. So they still need TDM to wiretap calls.
SIP/IMS and public key, can you point me to draft/rfc?
Software based on these guys http://www.numlex.com/ http://tcinet.ru/en/ - was suppose to run infrastructure, and they develop their own software for it but for political reasons government ditched it. And ZNIIS came in. On 13.11.2013 21:55, Richard Shockey wrote:
Yep .. that what everyone is doing .. Interesting that RU is using a closed system if for M-LNP.
Who BTW is running the RU system?
On 13 Nov 2013, at 22:25, Nikolay Shopik <shopik@inblock.ru> wrote:
Software based on these guys http://www.numlex.com/
http://tcinet.ru/en/ - was suppose to run infrastructure, and they develop their own software for it but for political reasons government ditched it. And ZNIIS came in.
:) no political reasons - Ministry lobbied ccTLD without tender and was criticized. Government (first VP responsible for the industry) discussed the situation with largest operators and they prefer traditional legacy player - state owned enterprise. In my opinion - if ccTLD will lead MNP project it could break the whole self-governance system in DNS.
On 13.11.2013 21:55, Richard Shockey wrote:
Yep .. that what everyone is doing .. Interesting that RU is using a closed system if for M-LNP.
Who BTW is running the RU system?
On 13.11.2013 22:44, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
In my opinion - if ccTLD will lead MNP project it could break the whole self-governance system in DNS.
I highly doubt, but I get your point, not everyone happy with ccTLD here. Its just doesn't matter who run DNS ENUM if its closed. And only mobile operators need it for now.
the issue - if you put all eggs in on basket On 13 Nov 2013, at 23:25, Nikolay Shopik <shopik@inblock.ru> wrote:
On 13.11.2013 22:44, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
In my opinion - if ccTLD will lead MNP project it could break the whole self-governance system in DNS.
I highly doubt, but I get your point, not everyone happy with ccTLD here. Its just doesn't matter who run DNS ENUM if its closed. And only mobile operators need it for now.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:40, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
Well its first item of business would be to decide if the ENUM WG is *really* dead or not. :-)
It's not dead, it's merely resting... Ray
On 20 Nov 2013, at 16:11, Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk> wrote:
On 13 Nov 2013, at 13:40, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
Well its first item of business would be to decide if the ENUM WG is *really* dead or not. :-)
It's not dead, it's merely resting...
IIUC, the plug may well be getting pulled on +47 soon. In which case ENUM literally will be pining for the fjords. :-)
On 20/11/13 16:47, Jim Reid wrote:
IIUC, the plug may well be getting pulled on +47 soon. In which case ENUM literally will be pining for the fjords. :-)
What? No "Good evening this is Oslo calling" at Eurovision time? Regards Jon Jon Farmer VoIP Technical Lead Entanet International Ltd
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