AW: [enum-wg] COCOM & ENUM ...
For example some of our ISP (and acting as ".pl" Registrars too) are interested in ENUM domains registration (for VoIP services) but they MUST go through TSPs. And telcos are not interested to start ENUM domains registration... (they are also slowing down the NP implementation, so nobody expects special interest in ENUM).
Ha! This was exactly the reason why ETSI decided two years ago in ETSI TS 102 051 "ENUM Administration in Europe" that there should be an alternative way to get ENUM delegations if your TSP will not do it. The possibility to port your number to a TSP providing ENUM was NOT considered a proper alternative. One does not need to be a fortune teller to anticipate this problem ;-) -richard ________________________________ Von: Andrzej Bartosiewicz [mailto:andrzejb@nask.pl] Gesendet: Mo 13.12.2004 10:53 An: Richard Shockey Cc: Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP); Jim Reid; Stastny Richard; Carsten Schiefner; enum-wg@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [enum-wg] COCOM & ENUM ... Richard,
This IMHO will cause Poland a problem over time as ISP who want to sell advanced services then realize they have to go through the incumbent to get registrations processed. But this is as we all know is a national matter and seeing how Poland deals with this will be very interesting to watch.
Are you a fortune-teller? We already have this problem! For example some of our ISP (and acting as ".pl" Registrars too) are interested in ENUM domains registration (for VoIP services) but they MUST go through TSPs. And telcos are not interested to start ENUM domains registration... (they are also slowing down the NP implementation, so nobody expects special interest in ENUM).
Authentication is not hard if your country has independent databases that can confirm the number holder. North America will not have that problem.
We do not have the independent database in Poland.
Or they could use existing LNP databases ... ( ok that sounds really self serving )
Note here 70% of US consumers who switch to Cable Based VoIP telephony actually port their primary number.
In Poland we have NP only in the Law (since July 2004), not in operation :( Andrzej.
Richard,
Ha! This was exactly the reason why ETSI decided two years ago in ETSI TS 102 051 "ENUM Administration in Europe" that there should be an alternative way to get ENUM delegations if your TSP will not do it. The possibility to port your number to a TSP providing ENUM was NOT considered a proper alternative.
You are right. It's hard to say but we are in quite difficult situation with User ENUM in Poland, regardless of NASK's readiness for ENUM domains registration and Regulator consent to the solution. -End-user MUST go throug the telco to get the ENUM domain -Telco can reject the number porting request because of "lack of technical ability to port the number" (we have 24 million mobile and 14 million fix numbers and... not a single one has been ported) -Regulator is not willing to assign the numbering blocks for VoIP Andrzej.
On 2004/12/13 11:12, Andrzej Bartosiewicz <andrzejb@nask.pl> wrote:
Richard,
Ha! This was exactly the reason why ETSI decided two years ago in ETSI TS 102 051 "ENUM Administration in Europe" that there should be an alternative way to get ENUM delegations if your TSP will not do it. The possibility to port your number to a TSP providing ENUM was NOT considered a proper alternative.
You are right.
It's hard to say but we are in quite difficult situation with User ENUM in Poland, regardless of NASK's readiness for ENUM domains registration and Regulator consent to the solution.
-End-user MUST go throug the telco to get the ENUM domain
_The_ telco, or just _any_ telco? For your previous mail, I got the impression than any telco can get (in the technical sense) the ENUM domain for any number.
From the policy point of view, it seems clear to me that any TSP is allowed to register the ENUM domain for any of his own numbers.
But: Is TSP A allowed to register the ENUM domain of a number belonging to TSP B if the subscriber (= customer of TSP B) explicitly asks TSP A to do it? ----- Can you share a few statistics? Number of domains, number of TSPs who are actually registering domains, etc. ? Thanks, /ol -- < Otmar Lendl (lendl@nic.at) | nic.at Systems Engineer >
_The_ telco, or just _any_ telco?
Any telco which is officially recognized by Regulator as Telco Operator according to Telecommunication Law. It means also that such a company has been assigned the numbering block.
For your previous mail, I got the impression than any telco can get (in the technical sense) the ENUM domain for any number.
Any telco (according to previous definition) can get any number and Regulator (not NASK as the Registry)has the legal power to react if problem occurs.
From the policy point of view, it seems clear to me that any TSP is allowed to register the ENUM domain for any of his own numbers.
Yes. But we don't know which numbers belong to which TSP: -Telco can use the numbering block assigned directly by the Regulator (the numbering plan is available on-line: http://www.urtip.gov.pl/bip/a/tekst.jsp?place=bip_text_list&news_cat_id=122&news_id=70 -Telco A can use the numbers (blocks) belonging to Telco B (based on the contract between Telco A and Telco B; neither Regulator nor NASK know the details) -Number can be ported (in the near future) from Telco A to Telco B; it's currently under discussion: http://www.urtip.gov.pl/urtip/c/tekst.jsp?place=urtip=ln=sc=lewa&news_cat_id=66&news_id=745
But: Is TSP A allowed to register the ENUM domain of a number belonging to TSP B if the subscriber (= customer of TSP B) explicitly asks TSP A to do it?
No. TSP A is not allowed formally (it's against the Law) to register the ENUM domain of number belonging to TSP B, but technically it's possible - NASK doesn't verify this. Andrzej.
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