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Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial
by Thu Thuy 02 Dec '05

02 Dec '05

Dears, I have to investigate model of ENUM trial in countries for my report relating to the preparation for ENUM trial in Vietnam. However I'm strucking with a question that i can not clear. Pls help me. These trial use existing telephone number in the country numbering plan for the trial. In Japan, 050 (IP Telephony), mobile number range, geographic telephone number, ext... are used. However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ? For example Provider A was delegated 0AB-CDEF-GHJK number range. But Proviser A did not participate in the ENUM trial. Can their subcribers used the number belonging to this range to register ENUM. How can services be provided to ENUM user with this number. In this case, could this number range be used in ENUM service ? Pls help me to clarify this. Any more information is very useful for me. Thanks & best regards. Thu Thuy.

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Re: [enum-wg] Australian ENUM trial - mailing list
by Lupton, Ronan 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Vince, congrats. I am guessing that the ENUM trial Oz will be as competitive as the rugby this weekend, versus Ireland. Hopefully though we will lead on the commercial ENUM propositions though. Cheers, R. -----Original Message----- From: enum-wg-admin(a)ripe.net <enum-wg-admin(a)ripe.net> To: 'enum-wg(a)ripe.net' <enum-wg(a)ripe.net> Sent: Thu Nov 17 23:17:11 2005 Subject: [enum-wg] Australian ENUM trial - mailing list Dear All A mailing list for the Australian ENUM trial has just been established. If you would be interested in joining in discussions, please subscribe by logging on at http://www.ausregistry.net.au/mailman/listinfo/enum. Regards... Vince Humphries Australian Communications & Media Authority tel.: +61 3 99 63 68 44 callto:vincehumphries mailto:vince.humphries@acma.gov.au

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Australian ENUM trial - mailing list
by Vince Humphries 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Dear All A mailing list for the Australian ENUM trial has just been established. If you would be interested in joining in discussions, please subscribe by logging on at http://www.ausregistry.net.au/mailman/listinfo/enum <http://www.ausregistry.net.au/mailman/listinfo/enum> . Regards... Vince Humphries Australian Communications & Media Authority tel.: +61 3 99 63 68 44 callto:vincehumphries mailto:vince.humphries@acma.gov.au <mailto:vince.humphries@acma.gov.au>

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Australian ENUM trial - mailing list
by Vince Humphries 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Dear All A mailing list for the Australian ENUM trial has just been established. If you would be interested in joining in discussions, please subscribe by logging on at http://www.ausregistry.net.au/mailman/listinfo/enum <http://www.ausregistry.net.au/mailman/listinfo/enum> . Regards... Vince Humphries Australian Communications & Media Authority tel.: +61 3 99 63 68 44 callto:vincehumphries mailto:vince.humphries@acma.gov.au <mailto:vince.humphries@acma.gov.au>

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Fwd: ENUM Advertisement (move to commercial ENUM for +353)
by Niall O'Reilly 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Hello, everbody. I'm delighted to pass on the following announcement from ComReg (the regulatory authority in Ireland, as most of you will know). Begin forwarded message: > From: Pat Walsh <pat.walsh(a)COMREG.IE> > Date: 16 November 2005 16:39:10 GMT > To: ENUM-353-IG(a)LISTSERV.HEANET.IE > Subject: ENUM Advertisement > Reply-To: Irish ENUM Interest Group <ENUM-353-IG(a)LISTSERV.HEANET.IE> > > Dear All > > This email is to advise you that ComReg is placing an advertisement in > the national newspapers this Friday to seek expressions of interest > from > organisations interested in offering the single Irish ENUM Tier 1 > Registry function on a commercial basis. The advertisement simply asks > potential candidates to notify ComReg (myself) by 25 November of their > interest. Email is fine for this purpose. > > Call for Proposal documents will be sent to those parties shortly > afterwards, with a return date in 2nd half of December. > > An open competition is being used to select the Registry, with ComReg's > decision following an evaluation of proposals by a small expert > evaluation team. > > Please feel free to pass this information on to any organisation you > think might wish to compete. > > Regards > ______________________________________ > Pat Walsh > Numbering Officer > > Commission for Communications Regulation > Abbey Court Irish Life Centre Lower Abbey Street Dublin 1 Ireland > Telephone: +353 1 804 9690 > Fax : +353 1 804 9671 > Email: pat.walsh(a)comreg.ie <mailto:pat.walsh@comreg.ie> > Visit our new consumer website at http://www.askcomreg.ie > <http://www.askcomreg.ie> > > The information in this email is confidential and may be legally > privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this > email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended > recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or > omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be > unlawful. > > /Niall

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Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial
by Stastny Richard 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Hi, Lawrence Conroy pointed me out that my answer may not be complete regarding your question and he added: ---- If one wants to register an ENUM domain associated with a telephone number, and one's provider is not active in ENUM, then in most countries (i.e. operating under most sets of eligibility rules) one "has problems". This is the common problem with ENUM - the Incumbent will not co- operate (see Telia in .SE, BT in .UK, ...) so the customer has trouble proving that he or she meets the eligibility criteria for ENUM registration. Eligibility is usually defined as proof that a person is provided service via the telephone number associated with an ENUM domain. So... IF there is a requirement to prove that a person has service via a telephone number, then either their provider (who knows this already) can confirm the fact easily and cheaply (i.e. automatically), or other mechanisms must be used to try to show that the telephone number is under the control of the person making the ENUM registration request. These alternatives are often more expensive and complex, and may well discourage individuals from registering ENUM domains in the first place as these are cumbersome or costly. ----- I can only confirm the last statement, and this is one of the reasons why the use of geographic numbers in Austria is preferred for either to be used by enterprises (where the cost for validating the pilot number is neglectible) or to be used by VoIP providers porting the number to VoIP, doing the validation within the porting process anyway. The validation for mobile numbers is easier, because this can be done in an automated way with sending in an SMS For residential subscribers the use of ENUM-only numbers (0780) is preferable, because here no separate number validation is required (the ENUM delegation is the number assignment) regards Richard ________________________________ Von: enum-wg-admin(a)ripe.net im Auftrag von Stastny Richard Gesendet: Do 10.11.2005 22:12 An: Thu Thuy Cc: enum-wg(a)ripe.net; Irish ENUM Interest Group Betreff: Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial >When i bring this number to register ENUM record, how >the VoIP service be provided to me through ENUM. Or in that case, i can only >use other kind of services such as mail, fax, web with ENUM registration ? >Or through ENUM, other VoIP provider which offered service for the trial >will provide me service. I think it's not right when two defferent provider >provide same service for same number ? The ENUM domain for the number in e614.arpa is belonging and under control of the end-user. So the end-user is responsible for ALL entries in the domain, which includes the VoIP service. It is basically Bring-Your-Own VoIP provider (same as for e-mail) The VoIP provider you choose needs not to participate in the ENUM trial (or service) at all Of course it makes sense to sell ENUM together with a VoIP account, because normal users are not willing to get into complicated provisioning Richard Stastny ________________________________ Von: enum-wg-admin(a)ripe.net im Auftrag von Thu Thuy Gesendet: Do 10.11.2005 11:40 An: Niall O'Reilly; Olivier.Girard(a)bakom.admin.ch Cc: enum-wg(a)ripe.net; Irish ENUM Interest Group Betreff: Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial Hi, O'Reilly, Girard, Thank you for your guide. I know your name, O'Reilly, through quite many presentations i've searched in the Web. I feel glad to talk to you. I now understand the using of numbering for ENUM trial. However, the main point of my concern now is the services provided to ENUM user when their providers do not participate the ENUM trial. Sympathise with me if my technical knowledge is not relevant, as i'm quite new. How are services provided to ENUM registrant if their service provider from which they obtain telephone number doesn't take part in the trial structure. For example, i got a telephone number +050-xxx-xxx from my Japanese VoIP provider, assuming that :). My service provider is not in ENUM trial structure of Japan. When i bring this number to register ENUM record, how the VoIP service be provided to me through ENUM. Or in that case, i can only use other kind of services such as mail, fax, web with ENUM registration ? Or through ENUM, other VoIP provider which offered service for the trial will provide me service. I think it's not right when two defferent provider provide same service for same number ? Pls help me again. BTW, could you pls tell me what kind of services now are offered in your ENUM trial. Kindest regards, Thu Thuy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall O'Reilly" <Niall.oReilly(a)ucd.ie> To: "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy(a)vnnic.net.vn> Cc: "Niall O'Reilly" <Niall.oReilly(a)ucd.ie>; <enum-wg(a)ripe.net>; "Irish ENUM Interest Group" <ENUM-353-IG(a)listserv.heanet.ie> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial On 9 Nov 2005, at 09:28, Thu Thuy wrote: > However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: > If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could > their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ? Hallo, Thu Thuy. This depends on the relevant local practices and regulations. In Ireland (+353), for the trial, any subscriber could approach a Tier-2 registrar and, subject to meeting the validation and eligibility requirements, have her number entered in the 3.5.3.e164.arpa DNS hierarchy. I expect the production regime for +353 will be similar. We had two Tier-2 registrars in the trial, each targeting a not-very-narrowly restricted subscriber group. My university was one of these registrars, and considered "eligible" any member of the "University Community". The trial was not so widely announced that we had to worry about the numbers. For clarity, I should maybe add that UCD is not a telco. 8-) Note that with subscriber opt-in, number ranges are relevant not at the level of allocation to telephone service operators, but only where the subscriber holds a block assignment, as in the case, for example, of a corporate customer. Try dig 6.1.7.1.3.5.3.e164.arpa any and bear in mind that this part of the +353 numbering plan has numbers of the form +353-1-xxx-xxxx. Best regards, Niall O'Reilly University College Dublin Computing Services M: +353 (0)87 221 0237 T: +353 (0)1 716 2360 F: +353 (0)1 283 7077 PGP: AE995ED9 (23DC C6DE 8874 2432 2BE0 3905 7987 E48D AE99 5ED9) SIP: no8(a)iptel.org, 2850*668(a)INOC-DBA.pch.net

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Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial
by Stastny Richard 10 Nov '05

10 Nov '05

>When i bring this number to register ENUM record, how >the VoIP service be provided to me through ENUM. Or in that case, i can only >use other kind of services such as mail, fax, web with ENUM registration ? >Or through ENUM, other VoIP provider which offered service for the trial >will provide me service. I think it's not right when two defferent provider >provide same service for same number ? The ENUM domain for the number in e614.arpa is belonging and under control of the end-user. So the end-user is responsible for ALL entries in the domain, which includes the VoIP service. It is basically Bring-Your-Own VoIP provider (same as for e-mail) The VoIP provider you choose needs not to participate in the ENUM trial (or service) at all Of course it makes sense to sell ENUM together with a VoIP account, because normal users are not willing to get into complicated provisioning Richard Stastny ________________________________ Von: enum-wg-admin(a)ripe.net im Auftrag von Thu Thuy Gesendet: Do 10.11.2005 11:40 An: Niall O'Reilly; Olivier.Girard(a)bakom.admin.ch Cc: enum-wg(a)ripe.net; Irish ENUM Interest Group Betreff: Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial Hi, O'Reilly, Girard, Thank you for your guide. I know your name, O'Reilly, through quite many presentations i've searched in the Web. I feel glad to talk to you. I now understand the using of numbering for ENUM trial. However, the main point of my concern now is the services provided to ENUM user when their providers do not participate the ENUM trial. Sympathise with me if my technical knowledge is not relevant, as i'm quite new. How are services provided to ENUM registrant if their service provider from which they obtain telephone number doesn't take part in the trial structure. For example, i got a telephone number +050-xxx-xxx from my Japanese VoIP provider, assuming that :). My service provider is not in ENUM trial structure of Japan. When i bring this number to register ENUM record, how the VoIP service be provided to me through ENUM. Or in that case, i can only use other kind of services such as mail, fax, web with ENUM registration ? Or through ENUM, other VoIP provider which offered service for the trial will provide me service. I think it's not right when two defferent provider provide same service for same number ? Pls help me again. BTW, could you pls tell me what kind of services now are offered in your ENUM trial. Kindest regards, Thu Thuy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall O'Reilly" <Niall.oReilly(a)ucd.ie> To: "Thu Thuy" <thuthuy(a)vnnic.net.vn> Cc: "Niall O'Reilly" <Niall.oReilly(a)ucd.ie>; <enum-wg(a)ripe.net>; "Irish ENUM Interest Group" <ENUM-353-IG(a)listserv.heanet.ie> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Telephone numbers used in ENUM trial On 9 Nov 2005, at 09:28, Thu Thuy wrote: > However, i could not find information to clear my question as follow: > If the service provider doen't participate in the trial, then could > their delegated number range be used for ENUM trial ? Hallo, Thu Thuy. This depends on the relevant local practices and regulations. In Ireland (+353), for the trial, any subscriber could approach a Tier-2 registrar and, subject to meeting the validation and eligibility requirements, have her number entered in the 3.5.3.e164.arpa DNS hierarchy. I expect the production regime for +353 will be similar. We had two Tier-2 registrars in the trial, each targeting a not-very-narrowly restricted subscriber group. My university was one of these registrars, and considered "eligible" any member of the "University Community". The trial was not so widely announced that we had to worry about the numbers. For clarity, I should maybe add that UCD is not a telco. 8-) Note that with subscriber opt-in, number ranges are relevant not at the level of allocation to telephone service operators, but only where the subscriber holds a block assignment, as in the case, for example, of a corporate customer. Try dig 6.1.7.1.3.5.3.e164.arpa any and bear in mind that this part of the +353 numbering plan has numbers of the form +353-1-xxx-xxxx. Best regards, Niall O'Reilly University College Dublin Computing Services M: +353 (0)87 221 0237 T: +353 (0)1 716 2360 F: +353 (0)1 283 7077 PGP: AE995ED9 (23DC C6DE 8874 2432 2BE0 3905 7987 E48D AE99 5ED9) SIP: no8(a)iptel.org, 2850*668(a)INOC-DBA.pch.net

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Re: Re: [enum-wg] ENUM-capable email client?
by Wang Feng 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

An E.164 number may can considered as an identifier of some person, different applications can get corresponding address information by ENUM resolving. I also think that for MUA it should firstly turn an E.164 number into an appointed Email address, which is convenient to access destined person and also can be flexible to change when needed, not ENUM as a new fixed Email address like +861062619750(a)e164.arpa. Wang Feng fengw(a)cnnic.cn ======= 2005-10-20 14:20:00 ======= >Florian Weimer wrote: >> * Carsten Schiefner: >> >> >>>My question is: is anyone aware of a similar extension or even built-in >>>function of a mail client, so that an E.164 number would be resolved to >>>an email address? >> >> >> Shouldn't this be part of the MTA, and not the MUA? After all, it's >> some kind of mail routing. > >IMO the ENUM lookup should be done in the client before sending the >Email to the MTA. Because if there is no email address asscoiated with >the E.164 phone number, the client can show the problem to the user >immediately, wheras the the MTA would have to generate an error message. > >regards >klaus >

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There are preliinary plans for another ENUM Summit in the US.
by Richard Shockey 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

Many of you know there was a "ENUM Summit" Conference earlier this year in Miami that was rather successful. There is another one being held in Frankfurt later in November. http://www.iqpc.com/cgi-bin/templates/singlecell.html?topic=586&event=8382 The Conference organizers have contacted me again to indicate they are planning on the 2nd Annual ENUM Summit in the US with yours truly once again as Conference Chair. Timing as of this date looks like early to mid April so no conflicts with IETF or VON. Venue TBD but I'm pressing for either JFK/LGA, ORD, SFO or possibly BOS. Folks interested in the conference or have speaking proposals should contact. Kerri Hughes IQPC (International Quality & Productivity Center) 535 5th Ave, 8th Floor New York, NY 10017 P: 212-885-2760 * F: 212-885-2762 kerri.hughes(a)iqpc.com www.iqpc.com -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Director - Member of Technical Staff NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org sip:57141(at)fwd.pulver.com ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile +1 703.593.2683 Fax: +1 815.333.1237 <mailto:richard(at)shockey.us> or <mailto:richard.shockey(at)neustar.biz> <http://www.neustar.biz> ; <http://www.enum.org> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Re: [enum-wg] ENUM-capable email client?
by chenhui 18 Oct '05

18 Oct '05

Hi Carsten, I have add some comment in your letter as following. Chenhui ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carsten Schiefner" <enumvoipsip.cs(a)schiefner.de> To: <enum-wg(a)ripe.net> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [enum-wg] ENUM-capable email client? > Carsten Schiefner wrote: >> [...] >> >> My question is: is anyone aware of a similar extension or even built-in >> function of a mail client, so that an E.164 number would be resolved to >> an email address? > > In the meantime I have been pointed at: > > http://www.enum.cn/Enum/EnumReg/member.php?language=English > > - has anyone already gained experience with these extensions? Two questions: > > 1) is it generic, i.e. does it work with all IE and Outlook > installations, or does it require a localised-to-chinese version? > Although I am not totally happy with either one of these programs, I do > not have any need for a broken installion... *** We have tested the Windows2000 and XP, IE V5 and newer, it shows ok. BTW, Could you please let me know what is the phenomenon of 'a broken installion'? > > 2) I stumbled over "The number should be registered ENUM number of > www.enum.cn": does it only work with Chinese numbers or is it using the > complete e164.arpa tree for resolution? > ***till now, it only supports Chinese number rule. And we will do the upgrade to let it support many kinds of number rule these days. > Besides that: any other pointers are still welcome, of course! :-) > > Best, > > Carsten

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