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DRAFT Minutes of ENUM-WG session at RIPE 58 are available
by Carsten Schiefner 02 Sep '09

02 Sep '09

Dear ENUM-WG Colleagues, Draft minutes of the ENUM-WG session at RIPE 58 are now available at http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/enum/minutes/r58-minutes.html . I would appreciate if you could set some time aside to review and comment on the draft and, if necessary, post objections or corrections on this list no later than 12:00 UTC on Monday, 31 August. Niall and I expect to declare these minutes "final" shortly after that. Thanks to the team at the RIPE NCC for their support, and especially to Nathalie Trenaman for taking the notes. Best regards, Carsten Schiefner Co-Chair, RIPE ENUM Working Group

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Re: [#XWM-610908]: Re: [enum-wg] ENUM Adoption - Does a business c ase matter?
by peter＠gradwell.com 28 Jul '09

28 Jul '09

Hi crue is not currently deployed within the uk - there is some debate about whether the 'carriers' in the uk are not loading the database for technical or commercial reasons. If it is the case that paying for each individual end user registration is just to expensive for a CP to bulk load, then whether a computer program loads blocks of naptr records or a million individual ones, is, in my opinion, irrelivant, and we just need to fix the registry business model. Cheers Peter Ukec director who owns a voip provider who is looking for the enum business case! --- original message --- From: Carsten Schiefner <enumvoipsip.cs(a)schiefner.de> Subject: Re: [#XWM-610908]: Re: [enum-wg] ENUM Adoption - Does a business case matter? Date: 22nd July 2009 Time: 11:47:27 am Hello Christian, Christian de Larrinaga wrote: >> Coudl you please elaborate a bit here? Do you call for regulators to >> make ENUM mandatory? > > I am saying that when an E.164 is allocated (to an operator) by a > regulator it should be entered into the ENUM tree even it simply returns > the tel: uri for the number itself. I see: like the CRUE principle (http://www.ukec.co.uk/docs/CRUE.pdf) deployed in the UK tree 4.4.e164.arpa - am I correct? Best regards, Carsten

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[#XWM-610908]: Re: [enum-wg] ENUM Adoption - Does a business case matter?
by Stream Service 27 Jul '09

27 Jul '09

Hello Rui, Currently the price for an ENUM domain in the Netherlands at a registrar is around 20 euro/year. This doesn't sound much, but when you look at how many we would need to register and how often currently we receive a call it is much. We could also become a registrar, but that would even cost more for as far as I know. With kind regards, Mark Scholten Stream Service (Algemeen) info(a)streamservice.nl Tel : +31 (0)53-7112711 Fax : +31 (0)53-7112716 Ticket Details =================== Ticket ID: XWM-610908 Department: Stream Service (Algemeen) Priority: Low Status: prioriteit laag

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ENUM for SMS?
by Yoshiro YONEYA 09 Jul '09

09 Jul '09

Dear ENUM WG members, In RFC 4355, enumservice for SMS is defined. Is there any cases that use ENUM for SMS routing in commercial service? If you know any information, please let me know or give me pointer(s) to the information. Regards, -- Yoshiro YONEYA <yone(a)jprs.co.jp>

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ENUM Adoption - Does a business case matter?
by Rui Ribeiro 09 Jul '09

09 Jul '09

Hi All, I'm new to the list, so this will be my first post... I'm making a master thesis on ENUM and its adoption (or non adoption). My background is 100% technical, so I'm "a believer" that ENUM is like a swiss knife to handle all kind of addressing problems between E-164 numbering and the new Internet URI based services. It can solve many other problems and can, even, be the base/enabler to new services. But I wonder if this is the pragmatic view that we should have about new things. What if ENUM is getting "hard" to deploy because it can't provide a business model to its "stake holders"? Do users understand it and are willing to pay for it? Do companies understand it and are willing to pay for it? Do operators want to explain to their users what it is, while risking their benifits? Do constructers will make R&D on products that users don't understand? Is there a killer application other than VoIP for ENUM? In other words: "does the business case mater for ENUM adoption?" I'm aware that Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Ireland and others have progressed to "final" deployment. I would like to exchange some mails with some of you about the financial aspect of the ENUM "technology". (fees, costs, ENUM registers per capita/phone number, service levels, ...) Is ENUM a solution to gain money, or a solution to loose less money? If it is to gain, who gains? Tier-1, Tier-2? (the user pays...) If it is to loose less, who does? The operators, the users? Many, many questions more... but only for you if you are interested. Sorry about this "off-topic"/"non-technical" post, but didn't know where to go to ask this. Thank you all, Rui Ribeiro racribeiro(a)gmail.com

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DNSSEC for 1.3.e164.arpa
by Antoin Verschuren 06 Jul '09

06 Jul '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear colleagues, As some of you may have noticed We have signed in our zone 1.3.e164.arpa last week. We are preparing for implementation of DNSSEC in that zone. In the coming months, we will test our administrative procedures. We will do some emergency key rollovers to make sure they work in our production systems the same as they did in our testing environment. Once we are satisfied about the results, we will publish our trust anchor on our website and to our parent RIPE NCC. In the mean time, we don't advise the key in our zone to be treated as a trust anchor in production systems. You are free to experiment with it though. Changes to our policy will be published on our website: http://www.enum.nl/en/dnssec/dnssec-status-for-13e164arpa.html An SSL secured version of that site will be available soon. We will also announce to the RIPE dns and enum wg mailing lists when we consider our trust anchors to be ready for production use. We hope this contribution will help the adoption of DNSSEC to secure the DNS. Regards, Antoin Verschuren Technical Policy Advisor SIDN Utrechtseweg 310, PO Box 5022, 6802 EA Arnhem, The Netherlands P: +31 26 3525500 F: +31 26 3525505 M: +31 6 23368970 mailto:antoin.verschuren@sidn.nl xmpp:antoin@jabber.sidn.nl http://www.sidn.nl/ - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 (Build 3017) wj8DBQFKUcJSXOb5yambhgkRArcXAKCB5QTb4/6z3jJONlQJifGcZhJTpQCgkE3c b8IMVyjdyM4bX1zoKOnEJFg= =Tm1m - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 9.6.3 (Build 3017) wsBVAwUBSlHDCzqHrM883AgnAQgTcwf/Sp7GhL+sT8yS4wWDp5SdIULLKyNb36nV 3Lfl6EZ36zk15SpdUPzh3D7BBYHmoIYwdQ5PtpcwZ2I//+2cE+Hl7D0Biixytc7x 4vcrW3qKq/bkkkMo7R2bSJ8QYTIcqPyx5LIP69Ob9wzSIjwdGRZs2pJGMIOP0jSE r4LgGcXW42SuGkOz4cEhWX0Inom9+DdZh8GbSswV99M46NJO5ZnUeIVADnwNuF8W 1jnWbHy1W6EN8rEVjRKJwqhVzYsCaIZEZZQkMaqu4r4oDBXb9QX+hCzLOGMKgC7x Os8MKXPDppLTIaiqTuiPm69WM6yIcKWaDjej3FSxn6z9QcQbj0WFzg== =bEKp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[#XMS-873473]: Re: [enum-wg] ENUM Adoption - Does a business case matter?
by Stream Service 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

Otmar Lendl, Uw ticket is ontvangen en een medewerker zal het ticket bekijken en beantwoorden. Hieronder staan de details van dit ticket. Zorg er a.u.b. voor dat het Ticket ID altijd in het onderwerp van deze email blijft staan. Ticket ID: XMS-873473 Onderwerp:Re: [enum-wg] ENUM Adoption - Does a business case matter? Department: Stream Service (Algemeen) Priority: Low Status: Open U kunt hier klikken om de status van ons antwoord op het Ticket online te bekijken.http://support.streamservice.nl/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=viewticket&ticketid=16955 Wij horen het graag als we u nog ergens anders mee van dienst kunnen zijn, Stream Service (Algemeen) info(a)streamservice.nl Tel : +31 (0)53-7112711 Fax : +31 (0)53-7112716 Stream Service is een handelsnaam van SinnerG BV

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[#SUL-477848]: Re: [enum-wg] ENUM Adoption - Does a business case matter?
by Stream Service 03 Jul '09

03 Jul '09

Otmar Lendl, Uw ticket is ontvangen en een medewerker zal het ticket bekijken en beantwoorden. Hieronder staan de details van dit ticket. Zorg er a.u.b. voor dat het Ticket ID altijd in het onderwerp van deze email blijft staan. Ticket ID: SUL-477848 Onderwerp:Re: [enum-wg] ENUM Adoption - Does a business case matter? Department: Stream Service (Algemeen) Priority: Low Status: Open U kunt hier klikken om de status van ons antwoord op het Ticket online te bekijken.http://support.streamservice.nl/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=viewticket&ticketid=16954 Wij horen het graag als we u nog ergens anders mee van dienst kunnen zijn, Stream Service (Algemeen) info(a)streamservice.nl Tel : +31 (0)53-7112711 Fax : +31 (0)53-7112716 Stream Service is een handelsnaam van SinnerG BV

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