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EIX-WG timing at RIPE 57
by Mike Hughes 28 Oct '08

28 Oct '08

Hi folks, The intent is that we will split across the two sessions as follows: Tuesday PM session: Items A through F, Mike chairing. Wednesday AM session: Items G through Z, Cara chairing. Note to presenters - PLEASE upload your presentations using the presenter upload facility: <https://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/ripemtg/web_upload.pl> They will then automatically be loaded onto the presenter laptop, and be automatically made available on the meeting website. We (i.e. the chairs) and the NCC support staff would prefer not to do the "laptop shuffle" in the working group meeting itself. Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange Ltd. mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ Registered in England 3137929 at 3 Park Road, Peterborough, PE1 2UX

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Draft Agenda 0.7 EIX-WG @ RIPE57
by Fearghas McKay 27 Oct '08

27 Oct '08

The latest Draft Agenda for EIX-WG at RIPE57 The main addition is a new talk at the beginning of the first session from Kurtis Lindqvist on the differences between transit and peering models and how they affected the growth of the internet in Europe. The sessions are in the Main Room on Wednesday 14:00-15:30 & Thursday 11:00-12:30 http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-57/agendas/eix.html There will be a session from the local Emirates Internet Exchange (EMIX) - "Current status and how we see the future", in EOF on the Sunday afternoon 16:00-16:30. There will also be a couple of other presentations from our local hosts on internet development in the region in this 16:00-18:00 slot. To facilitate presenters RIPE 57 meeting preparation, please refer to our web page that contains information on presentation uploading: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-57/wgc-info.html This page also includes information on: - style guidelines to help in your presentation preparation - IRC/Jabber participation - Webcast/Audiocast/Podcasts ==--==-- Agenda A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Finalise agenda * Approve minutes from RIPE 56 B. Selection of Jabber Scribe and Meeting Scribe C. Kurtis Lindqvist - Netnod An Overview of Transit and Peering models - a review of the the importance of IXes in the historical growth of the Internet in Europe. D. IXP Updates AMSIX DE-CIX JPNAP LINX MIX-IT Netnod IX NIX.CZ PAIX VIX The presentation laptops (Apple MacBooks) are equipped with Microsoft Office 2008 and Apple iWork '08. pdf format is of course still available as an option for uploading presentations. If you wish to present a late IXP update please send Cara or Mike an email and upload your presentation to ROSIE before the meeting. E. Euro-IX Update F. Cara Mascini - AMSIX/Euro-IX Euro-IX film competition - http://www.euro-ix.net/film G. Wolfgang Hennerbichler - VIX An IXP front-end toolset/Portal H. Simone Morandini - MIX-IT Recent port-security issues Datacentre upgrading - how we doubled the space of our existing data center and how we implemented redundancy. I. Henk Steenman - AMSIX IEEE 802.3ba update on 40 and 100 GbE. All technical objectives are closed, and the much awaited Draft 1.0 will be ready soon. J. Katsuyasu Toyoma - JPNAP IPv6 deployment at Japanese IXPs. K. Wolfgang Tremmel - DE-CIX The latest trend in promoting IXPs, a short movie about DE-CIX. Z. AOCB

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Wilfried Dudink/T-SystemsNL is out of the office.
by wilfried.dudink＠t-systems.com 21 Oct '08

21 Oct '08

I will be out of the office starting 15-10-2008 and will not return until 27-10-2008. Unfortunately I'm not able to answer your Email now. However, I will respond to your message as soon as possible. For urgent matters please call me on my mobile phone. Leider kann ich jetzt Ihre E-mail nicht beantworten. Aber ich werde so bald wie möglich auf Ihre Nachricht antworten. In dringenden Angelegenheiten rufen Sie mich bitte auf meinem Mobiltelefon. Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Wilfried Dudink Director Sales Development IP International Carrier Sales & Solutions T-Systems Nederland b.v. Deutsche Telekom Sales Address: Lage Biezenweg 3, NL-4131 LV Vianen, The Netherlands P.O.Box 65, NL-4130 EB Vianen, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)347 - 327 363 Mobile: +31(0)6 - 2030 0447 E-Mail: Wilfried.Dudink(a)T-Systems.com Internet: http://www.deutschetelekom.com/icss ---------------------------------------------------------- Confidentiality statement: this email message may contain confidential and privileged information and is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the content of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the material from your computer.

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Re: Draft Agenda 0.5 EIX-WG @ RIPE57
by Fearghas McKay 20 Oct '08

20 Oct '08

Draft Agenda for EIX-WG at RIPE57 The sessions are in the Main Room on Wednesday 28 October 2008 14:00-15:30 & Thursday 29 October 2008 11:00-12:30 http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-57/agendas/eix.html http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-57/meeting-plan.html There will be a session from the local Emirates Internet Exchange (EMIX) - "Current status and how we see the future", in EOF on the Sunday afternoon 16:00-16:30. There will also be a couple of other presentations from our local hosts on internet development in the region in this 16:00-18:00 slot. Meeting Chairs: Cara Mascini & Mike Hughes A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Finalise agenda * Approve minutes from RIPE 56 B. Selection of Jabber Scribe and Meeting Scribe C. IXP Updates AMSIX DE-CIX JPNAP LINX MIX-IT Netnod IX NIX.CZ VIX The presentation laptops (Apple MacBooks) are equipped with Microsoft Office 2008 and Apple iWork '08. pdf format is of course still available as an option for uploading presentations. If you wish to present a late IXP update please send Cara or Mike email and upload your presentation to ROSIE before the meeting. D. Euro-IX Update E. Cara Mascini - AMSIX/Euro-IX Euro-IX film competition - http://www.euro-ix.net/film F. Wolfgang Hennerbichler - VIX An IXP front-end toolset/Portal G. Simone Morandini - MIX-IT Recent port-security issues Datacentre upgrading - how we doubled the space of our existing data center and how we implemented redundancy. H. Henk Steenman - AMSIX IEEE 802.3ba update on 40 and 100 GbE. All technical objectives are closed, and the much awaited Draft 1.0 will be ready soon. I. Katsuyasu Toyoma - JPNAP IPv6 deployment at Japanese IXPs. J. Wolfgang Tremmel - DE-CIX The latest trend in promoting IXPs, a short movie about DE-CIX. Z. AOCB

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Second Call for EIX-WG Presentations
by Fearghas McKay 12 Oct '08

12 Oct '08

Hi So far there have been very few proposals or requests for presentation slots sent in - if you do want to present at the Dubai meeting could you please drop me a note asap. Currently we do not have enough material to fill in a single session. If you would normally present but are not attending the Dubai meeting it would be useful if you could drop me a note so we can see if need to keep both of our sessions. Thanks Fearghas

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EIX at RIPE 57 - Dubai - Call For Presentations
by Fearghas McKay 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

Hi The next WG meeting is fast approaching - this time in Dubai - 26-30 October 2008 http://ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-57 Please note that the RIPE 57 Meeting starts on a Sunday and ends on a Thursday to coordinate with the working week in the Middle East region. The WG format will remain the same with two sessions, one focussed on IXP presentations for ISPs and the second aimed more at IXP operational issues. Please send proposals for presentations or talks to me asap so that we can get as much into the online & paper agenda as soon as possible so that attendees can plan their meeting or persuade their manager that they should attend. Thanks Fearghas

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Wilfried Dudink/T-SystemsNL is out of the office.
by wilfried.dudink＠t-systems.com 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

I will be out of the office starting 09-06-2008 and will not return until 12-06-2008. Unfortunately I'm not able to answer your Email now. However, I will respond to your message as soon as possible. For urgent matters please call me on my mobile phone. Leider kann ich jetzt Ihre E-mail nicht beantworten. Aber ich werde so bald wie möglich auf Ihre Nachricht antworten. In dringenden Angelegenheiten rufen Sie mich bitte auf meinem Mobiltelefon. Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Wilfried Dudink Director Sales Development IP International Carrier Sales & Solutions T-Systems Nederland b.v. Deutsche Telekom Sales Address: Lage Biezenweg 3, NL-4131 LV Vianen, The Netherlands P.O.Box 65, NL-4130 EB Vianen, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)347 - 327 363 Mobile: +31(0)6 - 2030 0447 E-Mail: Wilfried.Dudink(a)T-Systems.com Internet: http://www.deutschetelekom.com/icss ---------------------------------------------------------- Confidentiality statement: this email message may contain confidential and privileged information and is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the content of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the material from your computer.

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RIPE 56: EIX Working Group Minutes
by Fearghas McKay 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Here are the minutes from the Berlin meeting. Thanks to Susannah and our temporary scribe after lunch. Corrections / Comments to the list or myself. Just a reminder that the next meeting in Dubai starts on the Sunday not Monday, we will post the WG day as soon as it is finalised. If you have any feedback about clashes to avoid - now would be a good time to raise them. Thanks Fearghas RIPE 56: EIX Working Group Minutes Status: Draft Agenda ======= Thursday, 8 May. 11.30-12:30 A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Select a scribe: Susannah Gray * Jabber Monitor: Rumy Kanis (11:00), Mark Dranse (14:00) * Microphone Etiquette * Minutes from WG session at RIPE 55 * Finalise agenda B. IXP Updates * AMS-IX * DE-CIX + WORK-IX & ALP-IX * EQIX * INEX * LINX * LONAP * NaMeX * NDIX - Presentation of their new logo * Netnod * NIX.CZ * NYIIX/LAIIX * VIX * Overview of South Asian IXPs C. Surprise Event D. Euro-IX Update ----------------------- Thursday, 8 May. 14:00-15:30 E. 40/100GbE IEEEE & Progress Update - Greg Hankins F. Some IPv6 Observations at AMS-IX - Arien Vijn H. Results of the Peering Configuration Survey - Greg Hankins (Force10), Ren Provo (Comcast) & Tom Scholl (AT&T) Z.. A.O.B. ===== Thursday, 8 May. 11.30-12:30 ---------------------------- Fearghas welcomed the attendees and opened the session. B. IXP Updates AMS-IX Cara Mascini http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Mascini- AMS-IX_Update.pdf There were no questions. DE-CIX + WORK-IX & ALP-IX Yvonne Hahn and Frank Orlowski http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Hahn-DE- CIX_IX_Update.pdf There were no questions. EQIX Eric Troyer http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Troyer- Equinix_Global_Peering_Update.pdf There were no questions. INEX Nick Hilliard http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Hilliard- INEX_update-WG.pdf There were no questions. LONAP Andy Davidson http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Davidson- An_update_from_LONAP.pdf LINX Mike Hughes http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Hughes- LINX_News.pdf There were no questions. NaMeX Daniele Arena http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Arena- NaMeX_Update.pdf There were no questions. NDIX - Presentation of their new logo Remco van Mook http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/van_Mook- ndix_presentation.pdf There were no questions. Netnod Nurani Nimpuno http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Nimpuno- RIPE_56_Netnod_Update.pdf There were no questions. NIX.CZ Josef Chomyn http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Chomyn- NIX.CZ_update.pdf There were no questions. NYIIX/LAIIX http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Sugeno- NYIIX_LAIIX_Updates.pdf Akio Sugeno There were no questions. VIX Christian Panigl http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Panigl- VIX_Update.pdf There were no questions . Overview of South Asian IXPs Gaurab Raj Upadhaya http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Upadhaya- Asia_Pacific_IXPs_Update.pdf There were no questions. C. Surprise Event A survey was distributed and filled in by the attendees. D. Euro-IX Update Serge Radovcic http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Radovcic- Euro-IX_Update.pdf There were no questions. Thursday, 8 May. 14:00-15:30 ----------------------------------------- E. 40/100GbE IEEEE & Progress Update Greg Hankins (Force10) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Hankins- IEEE_802.3ba_Task_Force_Update.pdf There were no questions. F. Some IPv6 Observations at AMS-IX Arein Vijn (AMS-IX) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/agendas/eix.html There were no questions. G. Results of the Peering Configuration Survey Greg Hankins (Force10) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/agendas/eix.html An attendee who had seen Greg's presentation at the Global Peering Forum (GPF) asked if any work had been done to find out if the eBGP multi-hop slide is actually correct. Greg responded that the slide the attendee was referring to had been taken out of the presentation for this event. He explained that the slide was about how participants preferred to do load balancing and that the options were link aggregation, eBGP multi-hop, eBGP multi- path and a few others. He continued that people overwhelmingly chose eBGP multi-hop. After some discussion, it was concluded that people didn't actually understand the question. Nick Hilliard (INEX) said that he had done something with Jumbo Peering LAN at INEX and found out that people are quite interested in it until they realise the can of worms that it opens up in terms of raising MTUs universally on their networks. He continued that you'll suddenly find yourself blackholing traffic and, because most End User boxes don't use anything greater than MTU 1500, debugging and monitoring is not easy. He added that the Jumbo LAN is still there, there's no one connected to it but that it was an interesting experiment. Arein Vijn (AMS-IX) commented on the Jumbo LAN issue. He said that a few years ago, AMS-IX asked its members about Jumbo frames. They responded that their customers have 1500 byte frame sizes and so having a Jumbo LAN would only cause problems. Greg said that, at the GPF when he first presented this presentation, he asked if these surveys should be carried out on an annual basis. He continued that a lot of people thought that it was a good idea and asked the RIPE Meeting attendees what they thought. There was general agreement in the room that the survey should be carried out on an annual basis. H. Let's do the Time Warp Again Mike Hughes (Linx) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/agendas/eix.html Kurtis Lindqvist (Netnod) commented that Netnod also runs NTP servers although they are operated on a more complex basis than Linx's servers. Netnod has a set of caesium servers and also a set of rebidium servers. It also gets a signal from the Swedish national time scale and that's actually what we end up distributing. This is good for applications that require you to be traceable to UTC. The drawback of using GPS, which is why Netnod does not use it, is that your accuracy is in the hands of someone else. There's well known techniques for jamming signals or disturbing them. Mike responded that LINX decided that it did not need to have control of the time source but did not want to rely on a single time source. This is why the SHS, the secure hybrid platform, is a good solution because the German government are in control of one signal, or the British government are in control of MSF. He added that there's GPS stuff as well, which is also used by a lot of people, and this gives a better level of protection than just trusting a single time source without Linx having to run its own reference. Kurtis commented that Netnod has been looking into providing higher accuracy frequency sources for people to clock their transport networks. Most people do this by using GPS, which again can be jammed, or they are buying it from somewhere else at a substantial cost. Netnod can provide a lot higher accuracy than this. Mike responded that people are using the LINX system to synchronise sys-logs and to generally clock their networks to a reasonable level of accuracy but not the sort of level of accuracy that Kurtis mentioned. I. v6 Numbering Plan @ Netnod Kurtis Lindqvist (Netnod) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/agendas/eix.html Arein Vijn (AMS-IX) asked what will happen when there is no IPv4 anymore and what will happen to the allocation scheme, which is based on IPv4. Kurtis responded that Netnod will do nothing and that the scheme is not based on IPv4. He said that the scheme is based on having a number, not specifically an IPv4 one, at the end. He added that he might have problems when the last 64-bits run out. Arein asked why there was no scheme for AS Numbers. Kurtis responded that they had the IPv4 numbers and wanted to use the same numbers and that if they had started from scratch, they might have used AS Numbers. He added that more clever encoding can be done. Lorenzo Colitti (Google) asked what will be done when Netnod has more than 256 members. Kurtis said Netnod does have /23s and so it could be numbered a little higher. It has not been done yet but it could be but this is not really an issue. Netnod is currently at 50 members after more than 10 years in operation. IPV4 space will probably run out before it becomes an issue. J. Gaurab Raj Upadaya [No slides used] Gaurab talked about IPv6 in exchange points and said that there seems to be a lot of discussion but no well established processes to do it. He would like to produce a BCP for exchange point operators and ISPs for connecting to an IXP. He asked the audience for feedback. Arein Vijn (AMS-IX) said that he thought that an IXP can do what it wants. He added that AMS-IX's scheme doesn't have any administration in it and people can figure out an IPv6 address. He added that, for router interface configurations, the AMS-IX website has a configuration guide which is publicly available and has many IPv6 options. He said that he didn't see that there was actually a problem and asked what problems Gaurab was referring to. Gaurab said that the AMS-IX guide is very well known in the community. He added that a lot of exchange point operators are getting confused about what the best way to deal with IPv6 is. Arein said that he did not think there was one best way. Gaurab said that perhaps all the current best practices could be documented. Kurtis Lindqvist (Netnod) added that he didn't think there was a single best way of doing this. Writing guidelines and documenting what different options there are and the drawbacks of them all would be a good thing for exchange points to do. Arein added that he was a bit shocked that this discussion was taking place now, as AMS-IX already had guidelines in 2001. Fearghas declared that there was no consensus in the room about creating the BCP document. Gaurab said he would take the discussion to the mailing list. Z. A.O.B Prizes for the quiz were given out. Fearghas reminded the attendees that RIPE 57 takes place in Dubai and starts on a Sunday and not Monday as usual. He advised people to book their flights early and register for the meeting as soon as possible. --- End.

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Wilfried Dudink/T-SystemsNL is out of the office.
by wilfried.dudink＠t-systems.com 08 May '08

08 May '08

I will be out of the office starting 07-05-2008 and will not return until 09-05-2008. Unfortunately I'm not able to answer your Email now. However, I will respond to your message as soon as possible. For urgent matters please call me on my mobile phone. Leider kann ich jetzt Ihre E-mail nicht beantworten. Aber ich werde so bald wie möglich auf Ihre Nachricht antworten. In dringenden Angelegenheiten rufen Sie mich bitte auf meinem Mobiltelefon. Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Wilfried Dudink Director Sales Development IP International Carrier Sales & Solutions T-Systems Nederland b.v. Deutsche Telekom Sales Address: Lage Biezenweg 3, NL-4131 LV Vianen, The Netherlands P.O.Box 65, NL-4130 EB Vianen, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)347 - 327 363 Mobile: +31(0)6 - 2030 0447 E-Mail: Wilfried.Dudink(a)T-Systems.com Internet: http://www.deutschetelekom.com/icss ---------------------------------------------------------- Confidentiality statement: this email message may contain confidential and privileged information and is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the content of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the material from your computer.

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Call for Presentations & Draft Agenda v1.0
by Fearghas McKay 08 May '08

08 May '08

A couple of extra IPv6 items in the afternoon slot. European Internet Exchange WG (EIX) Draft Agenda v1.0 When: Thursday, 8 May - 11:00-12:30 and Thursday, 8 May - 14:00-15:30 Where: Main Room http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/meeting-plan.html We will be video webcast & podcast. We are particularly interested in operational experiences of IPv6 that you might want to share, please get in touch with Cara or Fearghas if you have something you would like to present. A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Finalise agenda * Approve minutes from RIPE 55 B. Select a Scribe C. IXP Updates AMS-IX DE-CIX + WORK-IX & ALP-IX EQIX INEX LINX LONAP NaMeX NDIX - Presentation of their new logo Netnod NIX.CZ NYIIX/LAIIX VIX Overview of South Asian IXPs If you want to present please drop me a note off list. PDF is the preferred presentation format. The presentation laptop will be running Windows, if you use a Mac and want to use Powerpoint with embedded Quicktime there will be a machine available that you can test your presentation with before the meeting. If you wish to present please send me email and upload your presentation to ROSIE before the meeting. D. Surprise Event - Watch this space! There are prizes, more offers of swag are still being accepted... Get your message out into the community! Afternoon session. E. Euro-IX Update F. 40/100GbE IEEE & Progress update - Greg Hankins G. Some IPv6 observations at AMS-IX - Arien Vijn AMS-IX share some bugs that are clearly vendor specific and related to IPv6. They also encountered an issue that required some (apparently not too clear) configuration changes for Cisco routers. H. Results of the Peering Configuration Survey Greg Hankins (Force10) Ren Provo (Comcast) Tom Scholl (AT&T What is it? - New survey on how people configure peering! - Featuring technical questions on what protocols and features are used - No questions on facilities, IXs, or policies How did it work? - The survey was here: http://tinyurl.com/3xoa6g (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=hy_2bvVcxxszICLYRFzPAjMw_3d_3d) Example Questions: - Do you use IPv6 unicast BGP peering? - Do you use BFD? - Do you use four byte ASNs (RFC 4893)? - What is the largest frame size you use on peering links? - What is your biggest concern when deploying a new feature? - Note: is it OK to say that you don't know what a feature is What is the purpose of the survey? - Identify trends in feature and protocol deployment - Educate the community on features and best practices I. Doing the Reverse Time Warp - Mike Hughes J. v6 Numbering Plan @ Netnod - Kurtis Lindquist K. Joint v6 BCP with SANOG - Guarab Raj Z. A.O.B.

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