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IXP Switching Wishlist v3.0 draft
by Mike Hughes 11 May '05

11 May '05

Hi all, Here is a current draft of the wishlist, containing all recent feedback and requests. Key changes: * Removed sections on MAC-SPF and MPLS options - these don't seem to be gaining any traction, and don't seem as relevant anymore given the improvement in things such as RSTP. * Added section on VLAN tag space issues - tag rewrite or "virtual bridges" * Added items on 240V AC power, and Environmental monitoring * Added further detail to filtering, mac locking, multicast, and security. Let me know if you have any further comments, otherwise, hope to see you tomorrow between 11.00 and 12.30. Thanks, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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RIPE49 eix-wg minutes
by Fearghas McKay 04 May '05

04 May '05

Comments and Corrections to me please Thanks Fearghas --- begin forwarded text Hi, Please find attached the minutes of RIPE49's eix-wg session.. Apologies for the delay, it somehow slipped my attention :( -- Rene ================================== Minutes EIX-WG, RIPE49, Manchester ================================== Wednesday September 22 11:00 - 12:30 BST 14:00 - 15:30 BST Agenda ====== A. Administrative Matters B. IXP Presentations C. SLAs & Pricing at IXPs - Call for information for research D. Switching Wish List - Final call for input E. Euro-IX Update F. AMS-IX Membership Survey G. Routing Registry Courses Announcement H. KIX Overview and Future Plan A. Administrative Matters ========================= Chair: Fearghas McKay Co-Chair: Mike Hughes Scribe: Rene Wilhelm B. Presentations by Exchange Points ==================================== AMS-IX Steven Bakker -------------------- The change of topology has been completed 10 GigE is in betatesting 15 partners (NL-IX) 50% of traffic coming through partner program Question: Any news on IPv6 participants? Answer: we have 50 IPv6, 6 multicast connectees DE-CIX - Bernhard Kroenung -------------------------- http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-decix.pdf Proposal for a bit more idenpendence from ECO approved. DE-CIX will start to offer VLAN services by end of year. Had first technical meeting on September 9th. Aggregated traffic 23 Gbps on 21/09/2004. 134 members, 25% using IPv6 LINX, Mike Hughes ----------------- http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-linx.pdf Reached 40 Gig/sec aggregate peak traffic this monday! Membership continues to grow, 162 members from 27 countries Upgrade of Foundry platform is now almost completed Extreme platform had some reliability problems during summer, researching upgrade paths. Multicast experiment by BBC during olympics Question: What is your experience with 10 GigE? Is there a business case for connecting at such speeds, any customers looking at it, or are they satisfied with two or three 1 GigE connections? Answer: LINX have no members at 10 GigE yet; connecting two or three GigE can work well (and we will sell that if requested by customer) but we do want to stimulate parties to use a 10 GigE instead; the price of a 10 GigE port is set at 3.5 times that of 1 normal GigE port. Question: how many parties connect on each platform? how many on IPv6? Answer: Foundry infrastructure is the primary platform to which everone connects. 80-85% in addition connected to the Extreme based infrastructure and that number is going up. People are encouraged to connect to both. As for IPv6, we have 9 sessions at the v6 collector. LoNAP, Paul thornton --------------------- http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-lonap.pdf Entirely based on Cisco hardware 3 sites in London Docklands 45 members, 250 Mbit/sec traffic total interconnect with xchange point 6 connections on IPv6 8-9 multicast Core switch fabric upgraded to new 6509s 10 GigE connections coming very soon. Investigating other locations. MIX - Milan Internet Exchange, Raffaele D'Albenzino --------------------------------------------------- http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-mix.pdf 56 members, 14 carriers present in MIX data center Traffic on public peering LAN peaked with 7.7 Gbps in May 2004 Today (Sep '04) 6.2 Gbps New services: - IPv6 operational since April 2004, currently 6 connected members - Multicast will be in production starting from november 2004. - Test Traffic Measuremnet box, also used as NTP server - RIS route collector, rrc10, 16 IPv4 peerings, 6 IPv6 - DNS root name servers: o I-root server replica since december 2003 o K-root server replica since august 2004 Inter provider traffic Analyzer, first presented at RIPE46, new version 1.0 has been released. More info from http://www.mix-it.net/ipta/index.html or ipta(a)mix-it.net Software Available for euro-ix members at http://www.euro-ix.net/members/resources/tools/mix/ Netnod/Autonomica, Kurtis Lindquist ----------------------------------- Netnod is the company which operates the exchanges, Autonomica is a fully owned daughter which is responsible for services like i.root-servers.net News: - private VLAN service - working on 10GigE, likely to be same price as GigE - new general terms and conditions and ... all SRP now out of production NIX-CZ - Czech Neutral Internet Exchange, Jozef Chomyn ---------------------------------------------- http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-nixcz.pdf 46 members + 4 customers (2 x DE, 1 x SE, 1 x CZ) 8 networks peer on IPv6 Czech academic network plans to upgrade to 10GigE NIX.CZ infrastructure must also be upgraded currently thinking about technology and charging scheme VIX - Vienna Internet Exchange, Christian Panigl ------------------------------------------------ http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-vix.pdf Sept 2004: 80 members (12 on IPv6 VLAN) Summary peaks at 5Gbps Core switches upgraded, intersite trunc upgraded to 2x 10Gig, prepared for more traffic to come. Xchange Point Europe, Keith Mitchell ------------------------------------ http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-xpe.pdf Over 180 customers Fully operational in Frankfurt and Amsterdam Started running European "peering forum" events. Xchange point does not provide connections between the metropolitan areas. Some London network stability issues between Dec '03 & July '04. due to hardware problems with the switches, now resolved, network has been stable with no outages for over 8 weeks. See http://www.xchangepoint.net/news/Recent-outages.html for full history NAP of the Americas, Josh Snowhorn ---------------------------------- http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-nap.pdf NAP of the Americas connects North, South and Middle America It is located in Miami, Florida 18 domestic fiber providers, 12 undersea cables 168 clients, 89 unique ASNs represented in facility Hosts J-root and I-root server anycast instances as well as Verising's "D" gTLD name server. Entering partnership with Linx C. SLAs & Pricing at IXPs: Call for information - Tomas Marsalak NIX.CZ ======================================================================= Tomas Marsalak is starting a research on prices at internet exchanges, prices for transit and SLAs. The study is expected to be completed study by the end of the year, the results will be made public. He requests people to send him information. D. Switching Wish List: Final call for input - Mike Hughes LINX =============================================================== The "switching" wish list http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/eix/wishlist-v2.0.html is a work item on the eix working group. The current version has been up on the web for quite some time, Mike asks for final input. Keith Mitchel (Xchange Point Europe) mentions several items he'd like to see added. Mike agrees and will incorporate these in the final list. Mike also proposes to invite vendors to the next euro-ix or eix-wg meeting to give a presentation about what lies beyond 10 GigE. Bill Norton (Equinix) sees two dangers with inviting vendors: 1. Vendors often don't want the competition to see what they're doing, 2. Vendors might send folk from marketing who could promise perfect systems that are far from becoming areality E. Euro-IX Update - Serge Radovcic ================================== http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-euroix.p… Euro-IX is the European Internet Exchange Association Formed in 2001, euro-ix aims to further develop strengthen and improve the Internet Exchange Community Currently 32 member IXPs in 21 different countries throughout Europe Question: what is Europe for Euro-IX? where does it end? Answer: definition is based on a workable region, larger than the European Union, but not as large as the RIPE region. Will put information up on the euro-ix website soon. F. AMS-IX Membership Survey - Cara Mascini, AMS-IX ================================================== http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-amsix.pdf Cara Mascini presented the results of the membership survey conducted by AMS-IX. To the respondents (~50% of the membership) AMS-IX offers good value for money. The most important reasons to connect are "amount of connected parties" and "cost savings". Question: what definition did you use for "open" peering policy? Answer: we didn't define it; we just listed the various options in the survey, respondents picked what in their view matched best. RIPE NCC Routing Registry Training - Arno Meulenkamp, RIPE NCC ============================================================== http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-rr-train… RIPE NCC organises Trainining Courses throughout the RIPE region on how to use the Routing Registry. Dates and venues of upcoming courses were shown in the slide. Arno asks if Exchange Points would be interested in a condensed version, a short informational session to be presented at any of their regular meetings? If yes, contact him <arno(a)ripe.net> or Rumy Kamis <rumy(a)ripe.net> (Training Team Leader) H. KIX Overview and Future Plan - Chang Hun Lee, National Computerization Agency ================================================================================ http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49-eix-kix.pdf KIX is the first IX in Korea built in 1995 by NCA and now it is the exchange point for public Internet Traffic. KIX internetconnects non-commercial ISPs and enables these ISPs to connect to transit providers. KIX also connects to other Korean exchanges. ================================== --- end forwarded text

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EIX WG Final Agenda RIPE 50 Stockholm
by Fearghas McKay 04 May '05

04 May '05

Greetings The EIX-WG meeting will be held on May 5th at the RIPE 50 meeting in Stockholm - in the Thursday 11-12:30 slot. Current Agenda 1 Scribe 2 Agenda Bashing 3 Minutes Approval 5mins for all 4 IXP Presentations AMSIX DE-CIX Equinix Gigapix INXS LINX LONAP NaMeX NDIX Netnod NYIIX/LAIIX Union-IXP VIX Euro-IX 45 5 RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses 5 mins 6 Switching Wishlist 7 AOCB 5 mins for both 8 "The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps" - Bill Norton This new paper focuses on an Economic Analysis of 10G Peering from the ISP Perspective. It is demonstrates that even with new and pretty expensive 10G hardware, peering makes sense financially after a few gbps of peering traffic. The Public vs. Private peering part is required for the research because the Peering Coordinator Community points out that the next best alternative to 10G public peering is peeling off cross connects or circuits and private peering, so the paper compares these two options. The data used is from both the USA and Europe. 35 mins -=-=- Presentations should be prepared in advance so that they can be uploaded to both the ROSIE server and the local laptop to ensure a rapid turnaround of presenters. There is a link on the ROSIE website on the front page to the upload section. Please upload your presentations before the coffee break otherwise you may find that you will be presenting in front of a blank screen !! With the time contstraints we will only be using the one laptop for presenting. To be clear you will not be able to present from your own laptop. The session will be audiocast. See you in tomorrw! Fearghas

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IXP Switching Wishlist v3.0 draft
by Fearghas McKay 04 May '05

04 May '05

Comments to Mike at mike(a)linx.net ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 04 May 2005 11:42 +0100 From: Mike Hughes <mike(a)linx.net> To: eix-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: IXP Switching Wishlist v3.0 draft Hi all, Here is a current draft of the wishlist, containing all recent feedback and requests. Key changes: * Removed sections on MAC-SPF and MPLS options - these don't seem to be gaining any traction, and don't seem as relevant anymore given the improvement in things such as RSTP. * Added section on VLAN tag space issues - tag rewrite or "virtual bridges" * Added items on 240V AC power, and Environmental monitoring * Added further detail to filtering, mac locking, multicast, and security. Let me know if you have any further comments, otherwise, hope to see you tomorrow between 11.00 and 12.30. Thanks, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1" ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1" Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 11:42:03 +0100 From: Mike Hughes <mike(a)linx.net> To: eix-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: IXP Switching Wishlist v3.0 draft Message-ID: <C705C7B6ACD8E1623010CAD8(a)Mike_HP.ripemtg.ripe.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) X-NCC-RegID: uk.linx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="==========A330610A0DCDC318557B==========" Hi all, Here is a current draft of the wishlist, containing all recent feedback and requests. Key changes: * Removed sections on MAC-SPF and MPLS options - these don't seem to be gaining any traction, and don't seem as relevant anymore given the improvement in things such as RSTP. * Added section on VLAN tag space issues - tag rewrite or "virtual bridges" * Added items on 240V AC power, and Environmental monitoring * Added further detail to filtering, mac locking, multicast, and security. Let me know if you have any further comments, otherwise, hope to see you tomorrow between 11.00 and 12.30. Thanks, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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EIX WG Draft Agenda RIPE 50 Stockholm
by Fearghas McKay 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

Greetings The EIX-WG meeting will be held on May 5th at the RIPE 50 meeting in Stockholm - in the Thursday 11-12:30 slot. Current Agenda 1 Scribe 2 Agenda Bashing 3 Minutes Approval 5mins for all 4 IXP Presentations AMSIX Gigapix LINX NaMeX Netnod NYIIX/LAIIX Union-IXP VIX 30 mins 5 RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses 5 mins 6 Switching Wishlist 7 AOCB 5 mins for both 8 "The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps" - Bill Norton This new paper focuses on an Economic Analysis of 10G Peering from the ISP Perspective. It is demonstrates that even with new and pretty expensive 10G hardware, peering makes sense financially after a few gbps of peering traffic. The Public vs. Private peering part is required for the research because the Peering Coordinator Community points out that the next best alternative to 10G public peering is peeling off cross connects or circuits and private peering, so the paper compares these two options. 45 mins -=-=- Any last minute changes asap because the RIPE NCC go to print today with the meeting agendas. Presentations should be prepared in advance so that they can be uploaded to both the ROSIE server and the local laptop to ensure a rapid turnaround of presenters. I will send upload information seperately to presenters later today. In order to fit the tight schedule we are looking to have all the presentations online before Thursday morning. Bill Norton is also presenting the peering game at 17:00 on Monday at the end of the EOF session - this is his 'Director's Cut' version tuned for the European market so should have some new surprises even if you have seen it before. See you in Stockholm! Fearghas

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Re: [eix-wg] if you want to present at EIX in Stockholm...
by William B. Norton 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

It sounds like you might not have a lot of time for the EIX WG, but I have a white paper I would like to share at some point (at this RIPE or another). It is called "The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps" that focuses on an Economic Analysis of 10G Peering from the ISP Perspective. It is demonstrates that even with new and pretty expensive 10G hardware, peering makes sense financially after a few gbps of peering traffic. The Public vs. Private peering part is required for the research because the Peering Coordinator Community points out that the next best alternative to 10G public peering is peeling off cross connects or circuits and private peering, so the paper compares these two options. Bill On 4/27/05, Fearghas McKay <fm(a)st-kilda.org> wrote: > > At 9:14 am +0200 27/4/05, Job Witteman wrote: > >Please inform (I believe that most EIX-ers are as much in the dark as we > >are...) > > The WG session itself will be the same - but the process of deciding which > slot we are in on Thursday is still ongoing. > > The whole RIPE meeting format has been changed to have a long EOF type > plenary session with WGs on only the Thursday and Friday am - hence we > will > only have one slot. > > f > > -- //------------------------------------------------ // William B. Norton <wbn(a)equinix.com> // Co-Founder and Chief Technical Liaison, Equinix // GSM Mobile: 650-315-8635 // Skype, Y!IM: williambnorton

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if you want to present at EIX in Stockholm...
by Fearghas McKay 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

and have not already sent me a note and got a response - then ... please send me a note asap ie before Thursday 28th April noon - as otherwise you may find that we are struggling for space as the final WG sessions spots are still a moving target :-) Our normal practice of taking late presentations may not be possible with the new meeting format! Deadline for presentations will be noon on Wednesday 4th May so we can have all the presentations online in advance of the WG session. Thanks f

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EIX WG Draft Agenda RIPE 50 Stockholm
by Fearghas McKay 19 Apr '05

19 Apr '05

Greetings The EIX-WG meeting will be held on May 5th at the RIPE 50 meeting in Stockholm - at a time and room location to be announced. Draft Agenda 1 Scribe 2 Agenda Bashing 3 Minutes Approval 4 IXP Presentations 5 RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses 6 Switching Wishlist 7 AOCB Please send additional agenda items and requests for IXP presentation slots to me asap. I would expect that with the new format we will only have one slot available. Presentations should be prepared in advance so that they can be uploaded to both the ROSIE server and the local laptop to ensure a rapid turnaround of presenters. See you in Stockholm! Fearghas

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Announcement: Policy Development Process in RIPE
by Rob Blokzijl 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

To the RIPE Community, later today I will publish a draft document that describes the policy making process in RIPE. It is draft, so your input is requested in order to come to a generally accepted final document. Logistics: - deadline for comments on the first draft: 1 Februari 2005 - discussion takes place on ripe-list(a)ripe.net - if you are not subscribed to ripe-list(a)ripe.net yet, go to http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-list#subscribers - for any questions, don't hesitate to contact chair(a)ripe.net As always, apologies for receiving multiple copies of this announcement. Best regards, Rob Blokzijl RIPE Chairman

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EIX-WG Agenda RIPE 49 - Draft 4
by Fearghas McKay 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Greetings Late additions to the IXP presentations always welcome - 5mins for a first presentation, 2 for an update. As ever if you send presentations to me in advance we can preload the meeting laptop to ensure a quick turnaround. There is still some time in the second slot if anyone has anything else they would like to discuss. Thanks Fearghas Draft Agenda EIX-WG RIPE49 Date: Wednesday September 22nd Time Slots: 11-12:30 & 14:00-15:30 Location: Galleo Room WG Chair: Fearghas McKay Co-Chairs: Christian Panigl & Mike Hughes A. Administrative Matters - scribe - list of participants - agenda - Approval of minutes from RIPE 48 ISP Session: B. IXP Presentations AMSIX DE-CIX LINX MIX Netnod NIX.CZ VIX XchangePoint IXP Session C. SLAs & Pricing at IXPs - Call for information for research Tomas Marsalak NIX.CZ D. Switching Wish List - Final Call for input Mike Hughes LINX E. Euro-IX Update F. AMS-IX Membership Survey - Feedback on findings Cara Mascini AMS-IX G. Routing Registry Courses Announcement from the RIPE NCC RIPE NCC Training Team H. KIX Overview and Future Plan Chang Hun Lee National Computerization Agency (NCA), Korea KIX is the first IX in Korea built in 1996 by NCA, and now KIX is the exchange point for public Internet traffic such as Electronic Government services. Further information can be found at <http://www.kix.ne.kr>http://www.kix.ne.kr. Z. AOB

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