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EIX at RIPE 57 - Dubai - Call For Presentations
by Fearghas McKay 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

Hi The next WG meeting is fast approaching - this time in Dubai - 26-30 October 2008 http://ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-57 Please note that the RIPE 57 Meeting starts on a Sunday and ends on a Thursday to coordinate with the working week in the Middle East region. The WG format will remain the same with two sessions, one focussed on IXP presentations for ISPs and the second aimed more at IXP operational issues. Please send proposals for presentations or talks to me asap so that we can get as much into the online & paper agenda as soon as possible so that attendees can plan their meeting or persuade their manager that they should attend. Thanks Fearghas

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Wilfried Dudink/T-SystemsNL is out of the office.
by wilfried.dudink＠t-systems.com 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

I will be out of the office starting 09-06-2008 and will not return until 12-06-2008. Unfortunately I'm not able to answer your Email now. However, I will respond to your message as soon as possible. For urgent matters please call me on my mobile phone. Leider kann ich jetzt Ihre E-mail nicht beantworten. Aber ich werde so bald wie möglich auf Ihre Nachricht antworten. In dringenden Angelegenheiten rufen Sie mich bitte auf meinem Mobiltelefon. Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Wilfried Dudink Director Sales Development IP International Carrier Sales & Solutions T-Systems Nederland b.v. Deutsche Telekom Sales Address: Lage Biezenweg 3, NL-4131 LV Vianen, The Netherlands P.O.Box 65, NL-4130 EB Vianen, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)347 - 327 363 Mobile: +31(0)6 - 2030 0447 E-Mail: Wilfried.Dudink(a)T-Systems.com Internet: http://www.deutschetelekom.com/icss ---------------------------------------------------------- Confidentiality statement: this email message may contain confidential and privileged information and is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the content of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the material from your computer.

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RIPE 56: EIX Working Group Minutes
by Fearghas McKay 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Here are the minutes from the Berlin meeting. Thanks to Susannah and our temporary scribe after lunch. Corrections / Comments to the list or myself. Just a reminder that the next meeting in Dubai starts on the Sunday not Monday, we will post the WG day as soon as it is finalised. If you have any feedback about clashes to avoid - now would be a good time to raise them. Thanks Fearghas RIPE 56: EIX Working Group Minutes Status: Draft Agenda ======= Thursday, 8 May. 11.30-12:30 A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Select a scribe: Susannah Gray * Jabber Monitor: Rumy Kanis (11:00), Mark Dranse (14:00) * Microphone Etiquette * Minutes from WG session at RIPE 55 * Finalise agenda B. IXP Updates * AMS-IX * DE-CIX + WORK-IX & ALP-IX * EQIX * INEX * LINX * LONAP * NaMeX * NDIX - Presentation of their new logo * Netnod * NIX.CZ * NYIIX/LAIIX * VIX * Overview of South Asian IXPs C. Surprise Event D. Euro-IX Update ----------------------- Thursday, 8 May. 14:00-15:30 E. 40/100GbE IEEEE & Progress Update - Greg Hankins F. Some IPv6 Observations at AMS-IX - Arien Vijn H. Results of the Peering Configuration Survey - Greg Hankins (Force10), Ren Provo (Comcast) & Tom Scholl (AT&T) Z.. A.O.B. ===== Thursday, 8 May. 11.30-12:30 ---------------------------- Fearghas welcomed the attendees and opened the session. B. IXP Updates AMS-IX Cara Mascini http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Mascini- AMS-IX_Update.pdf There were no questions. DE-CIX + WORK-IX & ALP-IX Yvonne Hahn and Frank Orlowski http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Hahn-DE- CIX_IX_Update.pdf There were no questions. EQIX Eric Troyer http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Troyer- Equinix_Global_Peering_Update.pdf There were no questions. INEX Nick Hilliard http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Hilliard- INEX_update-WG.pdf There were no questions. LONAP Andy Davidson http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Davidson- An_update_from_LONAP.pdf LINX Mike Hughes http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Hughes- LINX_News.pdf There were no questions. NaMeX Daniele Arena http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Arena- NaMeX_Update.pdf There were no questions. NDIX - Presentation of their new logo Remco van Mook http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/van_Mook- ndix_presentation.pdf There were no questions. Netnod Nurani Nimpuno http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Nimpuno- RIPE_56_Netnod_Update.pdf There were no questions. NIX.CZ Josef Chomyn http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Chomyn- NIX.CZ_update.pdf There were no questions. NYIIX/LAIIX http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Sugeno- NYIIX_LAIIX_Updates.pdf Akio Sugeno There were no questions. VIX Christian Panigl http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Panigl- VIX_Update.pdf There were no questions . Overview of South Asian IXPs Gaurab Raj Upadhaya http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Upadhaya- Asia_Pacific_IXPs_Update.pdf There were no questions. C. Surprise Event A survey was distributed and filled in by the attendees. D. Euro-IX Update Serge Radovcic http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Radovcic- Euro-IX_Update.pdf There were no questions. Thursday, 8 May. 14:00-15:30 ----------------------------------------- E. 40/100GbE IEEEE & Progress Update Greg Hankins (Force10) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/eix/Hankins- IEEE_802.3ba_Task_Force_Update.pdf There were no questions. F. Some IPv6 Observations at AMS-IX Arein Vijn (AMS-IX) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/agendas/eix.html There were no questions. G. Results of the Peering Configuration Survey Greg Hankins (Force10) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/agendas/eix.html An attendee who had seen Greg's presentation at the Global Peering Forum (GPF) asked if any work had been done to find out if the eBGP multi-hop slide is actually correct. Greg responded that the slide the attendee was referring to had been taken out of the presentation for this event. He explained that the slide was about how participants preferred to do load balancing and that the options were link aggregation, eBGP multi-hop, eBGP multi- path and a few others. He continued that people overwhelmingly chose eBGP multi-hop. After some discussion, it was concluded that people didn't actually understand the question. Nick Hilliard (INEX) said that he had done something with Jumbo Peering LAN at INEX and found out that people are quite interested in it until they realise the can of worms that it opens up in terms of raising MTUs universally on their networks. He continued that you'll suddenly find yourself blackholing traffic and, because most End User boxes don't use anything greater than MTU 1500, debugging and monitoring is not easy. He added that the Jumbo LAN is still there, there's no one connected to it but that it was an interesting experiment. Arein Vijn (AMS-IX) commented on the Jumbo LAN issue. He said that a few years ago, AMS-IX asked its members about Jumbo frames. They responded that their customers have 1500 byte frame sizes and so having a Jumbo LAN would only cause problems. Greg said that, at the GPF when he first presented this presentation, he asked if these surveys should be carried out on an annual basis. He continued that a lot of people thought that it was a good idea and asked the RIPE Meeting attendees what they thought. There was general agreement in the room that the survey should be carried out on an annual basis. H. Let's do the Time Warp Again Mike Hughes (Linx) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/agendas/eix.html Kurtis Lindqvist (Netnod) commented that Netnod also runs NTP servers although they are operated on a more complex basis than Linx's servers. Netnod has a set of caesium servers and also a set of rebidium servers. It also gets a signal from the Swedish national time scale and that's actually what we end up distributing. This is good for applications that require you to be traceable to UTC. The drawback of using GPS, which is why Netnod does not use it, is that your accuracy is in the hands of someone else. There's well known techniques for jamming signals or disturbing them. Mike responded that LINX decided that it did not need to have control of the time source but did not want to rely on a single time source. This is why the SHS, the secure hybrid platform, is a good solution because the German government are in control of one signal, or the British government are in control of MSF. He added that there's GPS stuff as well, which is also used by a lot of people, and this gives a better level of protection than just trusting a single time source without Linx having to run its own reference. Kurtis commented that Netnod has been looking into providing higher accuracy frequency sources for people to clock their transport networks. Most people do this by using GPS, which again can be jammed, or they are buying it from somewhere else at a substantial cost. Netnod can provide a lot higher accuracy than this. Mike responded that people are using the LINX system to synchronise sys-logs and to generally clock their networks to a reasonable level of accuracy but not the sort of level of accuracy that Kurtis mentioned. I. v6 Numbering Plan @ Netnod Kurtis Lindqvist (Netnod) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/agendas/eix.html Arein Vijn (AMS-IX) asked what will happen when there is no IPv4 anymore and what will happen to the allocation scheme, which is based on IPv4. Kurtis responded that Netnod will do nothing and that the scheme is not based on IPv4. He said that the scheme is based on having a number, not specifically an IPv4 one, at the end. He added that he might have problems when the last 64-bits run out. Arein asked why there was no scheme for AS Numbers. Kurtis responded that they had the IPv4 numbers and wanted to use the same numbers and that if they had started from scratch, they might have used AS Numbers. He added that more clever encoding can be done. Lorenzo Colitti (Google) asked what will be done when Netnod has more than 256 members. Kurtis said Netnod does have /23s and so it could be numbered a little higher. It has not been done yet but it could be but this is not really an issue. Netnod is currently at 50 members after more than 10 years in operation. IPV4 space will probably run out before it becomes an issue. J. Gaurab Raj Upadaya [No slides used] Gaurab talked about IPv6 in exchange points and said that there seems to be a lot of discussion but no well established processes to do it. He would like to produce a BCP for exchange point operators and ISPs for connecting to an IXP. He asked the audience for feedback. Arein Vijn (AMS-IX) said that he thought that an IXP can do what it wants. He added that AMS-IX's scheme doesn't have any administration in it and people can figure out an IPv6 address. He added that, for router interface configurations, the AMS-IX website has a configuration guide which is publicly available and has many IPv6 options. He said that he didn't see that there was actually a problem and asked what problems Gaurab was referring to. Gaurab said that the AMS-IX guide is very well known in the community. He added that a lot of exchange point operators are getting confused about what the best way to deal with IPv6 is. Arein said that he did not think there was one best way. Gaurab said that perhaps all the current best practices could be documented. Kurtis Lindqvist (Netnod) added that he didn't think there was a single best way of doing this. Writing guidelines and documenting what different options there are and the drawbacks of them all would be a good thing for exchange points to do. Arein added that he was a bit shocked that this discussion was taking place now, as AMS-IX already had guidelines in 2001. Fearghas declared that there was no consensus in the room about creating the BCP document. Gaurab said he would take the discussion to the mailing list. Z. A.O.B Prizes for the quiz were given out. Fearghas reminded the attendees that RIPE 57 takes place in Dubai and starts on a Sunday and not Monday as usual. He advised people to book their flights early and register for the meeting as soon as possible. --- End.

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Wilfried Dudink/T-SystemsNL is out of the office.
by wilfried.dudink＠t-systems.com 08 May '08

08 May '08

I will be out of the office starting 07-05-2008 and will not return until 09-05-2008. Unfortunately I'm not able to answer your Email now. However, I will respond to your message as soon as possible. For urgent matters please call me on my mobile phone. Leider kann ich jetzt Ihre E-mail nicht beantworten. Aber ich werde so bald wie möglich auf Ihre Nachricht antworten. In dringenden Angelegenheiten rufen Sie mich bitte auf meinem Mobiltelefon. Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Wilfried Dudink Director Sales Development IP International Carrier Sales & Solutions T-Systems Nederland b.v. Deutsche Telekom Sales Address: Lage Biezenweg 3, NL-4131 LV Vianen, The Netherlands P.O.Box 65, NL-4130 EB Vianen, The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0)347 - 327 363 Mobile: +31(0)6 - 2030 0447 E-Mail: Wilfried.Dudink(a)T-Systems.com Internet: http://www.deutschetelekom.com/icss ---------------------------------------------------------- Confidentiality statement: this email message may contain confidential and privileged information and is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the content of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the material from your computer.

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Call for Presentations & Draft Agenda v1.0
by Fearghas McKay 08 May '08

08 May '08

A couple of extra IPv6 items in the afternoon slot. European Internet Exchange WG (EIX) Draft Agenda v1.0 When: Thursday, 8 May - 11:00-12:30 and Thursday, 8 May - 14:00-15:30 Where: Main Room http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/meeting-plan.html We will be video webcast & podcast. We are particularly interested in operational experiences of IPv6 that you might want to share, please get in touch with Cara or Fearghas if you have something you would like to present. A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Finalise agenda * Approve minutes from RIPE 55 B. Select a Scribe C. IXP Updates AMS-IX DE-CIX + WORK-IX & ALP-IX EQIX INEX LINX LONAP NaMeX NDIX - Presentation of their new logo Netnod NIX.CZ NYIIX/LAIIX VIX Overview of South Asian IXPs If you want to present please drop me a note off list. PDF is the preferred presentation format. The presentation laptop will be running Windows, if you use a Mac and want to use Powerpoint with embedded Quicktime there will be a machine available that you can test your presentation with before the meeting. If you wish to present please send me email and upload your presentation to ROSIE before the meeting. D. Surprise Event - Watch this space! There are prizes, more offers of swag are still being accepted... Get your message out into the community! Afternoon session. E. Euro-IX Update F. 40/100GbE IEEE & Progress update - Greg Hankins G. Some IPv6 observations at AMS-IX - Arien Vijn AMS-IX share some bugs that are clearly vendor specific and related to IPv6. They also encountered an issue that required some (apparently not too clear) configuration changes for Cisco routers. H. Results of the Peering Configuration Survey Greg Hankins (Force10) Ren Provo (Comcast) Tom Scholl (AT&T What is it? - New survey on how people configure peering! - Featuring technical questions on what protocols and features are used - No questions on facilities, IXs, or policies How did it work? - The survey was here: http://tinyurl.com/3xoa6g (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=hy_2bvVcxxszICLYRFzPAjMw_3d_3d) Example Questions: - Do you use IPv6 unicast BGP peering? - Do you use BFD? - Do you use four byte ASNs (RFC 4893)? - What is the largest frame size you use on peering links? - What is your biggest concern when deploying a new feature? - Note: is it OK to say that you don't know what a feature is What is the purpose of the survey? - Identify trends in feature and protocol deployment - Educate the community on features and best practices I. Doing the Reverse Time Warp - Mike Hughes J. v6 Numbering Plan @ Netnod - Kurtis Lindquist K. Joint v6 BCP with SANOG - Guarab Raj Z. A.O.B.

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Call for Presentations & Draft Agenda v0.3
by Fearghas McKay 06 May '08

06 May '08

The main changes are a few more IXP updates including an overview of the South Asian IXP community from Guarab. This is a followup to his presentation in Istanbul a couple of years ago. The Euro-IX presentation is now in the afternoon slot. European Internet Exchange WG (EIX) Draft Agenda v0.3 When: Thursday, 8 May - 11:00-12:30 and Thursday, 8 May - 14:00-15:30 Where: Main Room http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/meeting-plan.html We will be video webcast & podcast. We are particularly interested in operational experiences of IPv6 that you might want to share, please get in touch with Cara or Fearghas if you have something you would like to present. A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Finalise agenda * Approve minutes from RIPE 55 B. Select a Scribe C. IXP Updates AMS-IX DE-CIX + WORK-IX & ALP-IX EQIX INEX LINX LONAP NaMeX NDIX - Presentation of their new logo Netnod NIX.CZ NYIIX/LAIIX VIX Overview of South Asian IXPs If you want to present please drop me a note off list. PDF is the preferred presentation format. The presentation laptop will be running Windows, if you use a Mac and want to use Powerpoint with embedded Quicktime there will be a machine available that you can test your presentation with before the meeting. If you wish to present please send me email and upload your presentation to ROSIE before the meeting. D. Surprise Event - Watch this space! There are prizes, more offers of swag are still being accepted... Get your message out into the community! Afternoon session. E. Euro-IX Update F. 40/100GbE IEEE & Progress update - Greg Hankins G. Some IPv6 observations at AMS-IX - Arien Vijn AMS-IX share some bugs that are clearly vendor specific and related to IPv6. They also encountered an issue that required some (apparently not too clear) configuration changes for Cisco routers. H. Results of the Peering Configuration Survey Greg Hankins (Force10) Ren Provo (Comcast) Tom Scholl (AT&T What is it? - New survey on how people configure peering! - Featuring technical questions on what protocols and features are used - No questions on facilities, IXs, or policies How did it work? - The survey was here: http://tinyurl.com/3xoa6g (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=hy_2bvVcxxszICLYRFzPAjMw_3d_3d) Example Questions: - Do you use IPv6 unicast BGP peering? - Do you use BFD? - Do you use four byte ASNs (RFC 4893)? - What is the largest frame size you use on peering links? - What is your biggest concern when deploying a new feature? - Note: is it OK to say that you don't know what a feature is What is the purpose of the survey? - Identify trends in feature and protocol deployment - Educate the community on features and best practices I. Doing the Reverse Time Warp - Mike Hughes Z. A.O.B.

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Call for Presentations & Draft Agenda v0.2
by Fearghas McKay 05 May '08

05 May '08

European Internet Exchange WG (EIX) Draft Agenda v0.2 When: Thursday, 8 May - 11:00-12:30 and Thursday, 8 May - 14:00-15:30 Where: Main Room http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/meeting-plan.html We will be video webcast & podcast. We are particularly interested in operational exeriences of IPv6 that you might want to share, please get in touch with Cara or Fearghas if you have something you would like to present. A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Finalise agenda * Approve minutes from RIPE 55 B. Select a Scribe C. IXP Updates AMS-IX DECIX INEX LINX LoNAP NaMeX NDIX - Presentation of their new logo Netnod NIX.CZ NYIIX/LAIIX VIX If you want to present please drop me a note off list. PDF is the preferred presentation format. The presentation laptop will be running Windows, if you use a Mac and want to use Powerpoint with embedded Quicktime there will be a machine available that you can test your presentation with before the meeting. If you wish to present please send me email and upload your presentation to ROSIE before the meeting. D. Euro-IX Update E. Surprise Event - Watch this space! There are prizes, more offers of swag will be accepted... Afternoon session. F. 40/100GbE IEEEE & Progress update - Greg Hankins G. Some IPv6 observations at AMS-IX - Arien Vijn AMS-IX share some bugs that are clearly vendor specific and related to IPv6. They also encountered an issue that required some (apparently not too clear) configuration changes for Cisco routers. H. Results of the Peering Configuration Survey Greg Hankins (Force10) Ren Provo (Comcast) Tom Scholl (AT&T What is it? - New survey on how people configure peering! - Featuring technical questions on what protocols and features are used - No questions on facilities, IXs, or policies How did it work? - The survey was here: http://tinyurl.com/3xoa6g (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx? sm=hy_2bvVcxxszICLYRFzPAjMw_3d_3d) Example Questions: - Do you use IPv6 unicast BGP peering? - Do you use BFD? - Do you use four byte ASNs (RFC 4893)? - What is the largest frame size you use on peering links? - What is your biggest concern when deploying a new feature? - Note: is it OK to say that you don't know what a feature is What is the purpose of the survey? - Identify trends in feature and protocol deployment - Educate the community on features and best practices I. Fun with NTP Servers - Mike Hughes Z. A.O.B.

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Call for Presentations & Draft Agenda
by Fearghas McKay 25 Apr '08

25 Apr '08

European Internet Exchange WG (EIX) Draft Agenda v0.1 When: Thursday, 8 May - 11:00-12:30 and Thursday, 8 May - 14:00-15:30 Where: Main Room http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/meeting-plan.html We will be video webcast & podcast. We are particularly interested in operational exeriences of IPv6 that you might want to share, please get in touch with Cara or Fearghas if you have something you would like to present. A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Finalise agenda * Approve minutes from RIPE 55 B. Select a Scribe C. IXP Updates If you want to present please drop me a note off list. PDF is the preferred presentation format. The presentation laptop will be running Windows, if you use a Mac and want to use Powerpoint with embedded Quicktime there will be a machine available that you can test your presentation with before the meeting. If you wish to present pleae send me email and upload your presentation before the meeting. D. Euro-IX Update E. Surprise Event - Watch this space! There may be prizes, offers of swag will be accepted... Afternoon session. F. 40/100GbE IEEEE & Progress update - Greg Hankins G. Some IPv6 observations at AMS-IX - Arien Vijn AMS-IX share some bugs that are clearly vendor specific and related to IPv6. They also encountered an issue that required some (apparently not too clear) configuration changes for Cisco routers. H. Results of the Peering Configuration Survey Greg Hankins (Force10) Ren Provo (Comcast) Tom Scholl (AT&T What is it? - New survey on how people configure peering! - Featuring technical questions on what protocols and features are used - No questions on facilities, IXs, or policies How did it work? - The survey was here: http://tinyurl.com/3xoa6g (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx? sm=hy_2bvVcxxszICLYRFzPAjMw_3d_3d) Example Questions: - Do you use IPv6 unicast BGP peering? - Do you use BFD? - Do you use four byte ASNs (RFC 4893)? - What is the largest frame size you use on peering links? - What is your biggest concern when deploying a new feature? - Note: is it OK to say that you don't know what a feature is What is the purpose of the survey? - Identify trends in feature and protocol deployment - Educate the community on features and best practices Z. A.O.B.

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Re: [Fwd: Updated Call for presentations EIX-WG at RIPE 55]
by RIPE NCC Webmaster 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

Hi there, RIPE Meeting <meeting(a)ripe.net> writes: * -------- Original Message -------- * European Internet Exchange (EIX) Current Agenda The EIX agenda has been updated on ripe.net and on Rosie : http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-55/agendas/eix.html http://rosie.ripe.net/agenda.php -- Alix

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Updated Call for presentations EIX-WG at RIPE 55
by Fearghas McKay 23 Oct '07

23 Oct '07

European Internet Exchange (EIX) Current Agenda When: Wednesday, 24 October - 14:00-15:30 and Thursday, 25 October - 11:00-12:30 Where: Grand Ballroom We will be video webcast & podcast. A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Finalise agenda * Approve minutes from RIPE 54 B. Select a Scribe C. Selection of a new Co-Chair Christian Panigl is standing down as a Co-Chair, nominations or suggestions by email to either Mike Hughes [mike(a)linx.net] or myself are welcome. We now have several candidates so we will be holding an election hustings and vote in Thursday morning. If anyone else wishes to stand please let myself and Mike know asap, and before the Wednesday meeting. D. IXP Updates Please see http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-55/wgc-info.html for details on uploading presentations etc. PDF is the preferred format. The presentation laptop will be running Windows, if you use a Mac and want to use Powerpoint with embedded Quicktime there will be a machine available that you can test your presentation with before the meeting. If you wish to present pleae send me email and upload your presentation before the meeting. E. Euro-IX Update Thursday session. F. Items of Operational Interest for IXPs from NANOG - Mike Hughes G. Election Hustings & Questions via the Chair. Please send questions in advance to Mike & myself. H. Voting We will be using STV - Single Transferable Vote, if you wish to vote remotely please let Mike and myself know asap. Candidates will be announced at the first session of the WG. H. 40/100GbE IEEEE & Progress update - Greg Hankins I. Items for the RIPE NCC Action plan J. Announcement of Co-Chair Election Z. A.O.B.

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Call for presentations EIX-WG at RIPE 55
by Fearghas McKay 16 Oct '07

16 Oct '07

European Internet Exchange (EIX) Current Agenda When: Wednesday, 24 October - 14:00-15:30 and Thursday, 25 October - 11:00-12:30 Where: Grand Ballroom A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Finalise agenda * Approve minutes from RIPE 54 B. Select a Scribe C. Selection of a new Co-Chair Christian Panigl is standing down as a Co-Chair, nominations or suggestions by email to either Mike Hughes [mike(a)linx.net] or myself are welcome. D. IXP Updates Please see http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-55/wgc-info.html for details on uploading presentations etc. PDF is the preferred format. The presentation laptop will be running Windows, if you use a Mac and want to use Powerpoint with embedded Quicktime there will be a machine available that you can test your presentation with before the meeting. E. Euro-IX Update F. Items of Operational Interest for IXPs Z. A.O.B.

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EIX WG - RIPE 54 - Call for Agenda Items
by Fearghas McKay 02 May '07

02 May '07

Hi We have a double slot on Wednesday 9th May 2007, 11-30-12.30 & 14:00-15:30 Current Agenda looks like this - a Agenda Bashing b Scribes c IEEE Higher Speed Study Group (HSSG) Progress Update Greg Hankins d IXP Updates e Euro-IX Update f Video Peering White Paper - Feedback Bill Norton g AOCB Additional items welcome, the running order may change depending on clashes with Address Policy that is running in parallel. Please let me know if you have a clash and are presenting. Cut off for IXP presentations is 18:00 Tuesday - please have presentations uploaded to ROSIE before the Plenary starts on Wednesday 9am. Thanks Fearghas

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RIPE 53 EIX-WG Draft Minutes
by Mike Hughes 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

Herewith the draft minutes for the EIX Working Group held at RIPE 53 for your perusal and approval. Thanks to Catherine for a comprehensive set of minutes, especially wrt Q&A sessions. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Minutes ======= EIX Working Group Minutes - RIPE 53 Version 1.0 WG Chairs: Meeting chaired by Mike Hughes Scribe: Catherine Carr (RIPE NCC) Amsterdam, Thursday 5th October 2006, 11:00 - 12:45 -------------------------------------------------------- A. Administrative Matters - Working Group Chairs Fearghas McKay was unavailable, so the meeting was chaired by Mike Hughes. Catherine Carr (RIPE NCC) was nominated to scribe, and the jabber was monitored by Robert Kisteleki (RIPE NCC). The session was webcast in audio only. -------------------------------------------------------- B. Agenda Bashing - Working Group Chairs NAMEX withdrew their presentation for the IXP News Slot (agenda item Y). It was replaced with an update from NEDNOD. The NRO Numbers Council Election results were announced by Niall O'Reilly. 126 votes were cast. 1 was spoiled, so 125 valid votes. 3 voting slips were blank. 49 votes were in favour of Sabine Jaume 73 votes were in favour of Dave Wilson -------------------------------------------------------- C. Presentaion: IEEE >10G HSSG Report - Greg Hankins (Force10 Networks) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/ieee_10g.pdf Mike Hughes commented that it was good news that people are now getting to work in this area, because it is something that a lot of people in this group need. Right now it is mostly people talking about the physical and optical layers. There are a lot of challenges ahead. Outreach and media are really important in order to end up with something usable. Attendees were encouraged to get involved. This would probably be easier through a vendor so that the requirements can be collated. However, if attendees do not have a vendor that they feel comfortable working with, they can always post their own opinions. User input is welcomed and appreciated. -------------------------------------------------------- D. Call for Input to the IXP Switch Wishlist v3.1 - Mike Hughes (LINX) Mike Hughes informed the group that there have been a few different types of switch (for example higher density switches) since the IXP Switch Wishlist came out. A new iteration of the document is required. The group were asked to review what is on the list at the moment and submit any ideas to Mike. Some ideas have already been documented, such as cable management and slot orientation. New drafts of the document will be posted to the working group mailing list, and it will hopefully be adopted at RIPE 54. -------------------------------------------------------- E. Presentation: sFlow Implementation at AMS-IX - Elisa Jasinska (AMS-IX) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/sflow.pdf Simon Leinden (Switch) asked if the entire system is open source. Elisa Jasinska (AMS-IX) answered that just the perl module is open source at the moment, but she is planning on making the rest open source too. The demon around it is so integrated into the AMSIX environment to get the information about the members, so it cannot really be released like that. She will work on a way to split that into a separate module so that users can make their own database interfaces and so on. There was a question about whether AMS-IS had any issues with non liniarity of the graphs due to sampling errors. Elisa answered that you can not really correct that because it is statistics. The lower the IPv6 rate is the less samples there are, so the bigger the error in the end. Nick Hilliard (INet) asked if the software is compatible with data protection legislation in terms of sniffing IP addresses. Elisa explained that it is not decoding over layer 2. The datagram is providing the whole packet and it depends on how big the whole packet is. The maximum is 256 bytes depending on the packet header. The software does not decode all of that. It only looks at layer 2 and is not doing any analysis on layer 3 (such as ports, IP addresses, etc). It would be possible to integrate that, but there are no plans to do so. Nick went on to ask if there was a facility for members to opt out. Some exchange points do not want to divulge information about their peering agreements, and sometimes don't even want to have their names mentioned on websites. Elisa assured the group that there would be no mention of the members on the public website. Every member would see their graph in their own statistics. If they want to do something more with the information, such as adding it on their own public website, then that is their choice. There was a question yesterday in the IPv6 working group where someone wanted to know who was doing IPv6 traffic. AMS-IX do not know yet because the software doesn't tell them. But even if they did know, it is not information that they would give out. She also confirmed that no members who have asked to opt out. Avi Freedman (Akamai) asked if AMS-IX had a list of outstanding requests for Foundry for additional tags to go into sFlow. Elisa confirmed that they did not, because they have no problems with what is being provided. Avi went on to ask if enough tagging of source and dist interfaces had been seen and whether MAC pairs were being used. Elisa advised Foundry are supplying the packet header, and AMS-IX has the layer 2 information and MAC address. AMS-IX have a policy of one MAC address behind each member port, so that they can tell which member is which. Kurtis Lindqvist (NETNOD) referred to data protection law, and advised that if the data is logged then it must be kept because you may be asked to hand it out. Elisa answered that data which is decoded (such as mac addresses) is kept, as well as the graphs so that the members can see their information. The rest of the sFlow datagram is not decoded by the software so there is nothing to keep. Marco Sommani (CNR) asked for whether the perl module analyses the whole packet. Elisa answered no. There are perl modules which are analysing the whole stack of packet headers, but they are not being used. AMS-IX have implemented their own solution to analyse up to layer 2. -------------------------------------------------------- X. Euro-IX Report - Serge Radovcic (Euro-IX Secretariat) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/euroix.pdf Dave Wilson (HEAnet) observed that HEAnet's traffic dips every year in the summer and picks up in autumn as if it had never left off. You can draw a line as if the dip wasn't there. Serge replied that it was still a big jump in traffic after the summer. Blake Willis (Neo Telecoms) added that in France they are seeing a large amount of the bigger carriers changing their policies on the exchange simply because there are so many free exchanges. Many people are getting AS Numbers now. They can't deal with requests from all of the smaller carriers. -------------------------------------------------------- Y. IXP News/Reports - AMS-IX Presentation not available. - NDIX Presentation not available. An attendee asked which vendor was being used for releasing CWDM on NDIX's 10Gb rings. Remco from NDIX confirmed they are using the same fibre for a couple of routes for both access and core infrastructure. Some of the access infrastructure is still on GbE. - DE-CIX Presentation not available. Max Tulyev (NetAssist LLC) was interested in multicast exchange, and asked if there was any at DE-CIX. Wolfgang Tremmel informed him that they are offering free multicast ports with 100Mb port speed. You just have to pay for the cabling to the switch. - VIX http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/vix.pdf - LINX http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/ixp_switch.pdf Gert Doering (Spacenet) asked if multicast will go into the same VLAN as unicast when it is moved onto the main Foundries. Mike Hughes answered that it will be in a separate VLAN. Some members have said they don't even want it on tagged ports because they don't want a multicast accident blowing all their unicast traffic up. - MIX http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/mix.pdf - NIX.CZ http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/eix-jc-czn.pdf - NETNOD Presentation not uploaded. -------------------------------------------------------- AOB: Mike Hughes will request a schedule change in the meeting plan at the WG chairs meeting. He will try to get the two hour block on Wednesday afternoon, because the 90 minute sessions regularly fill up these days. -------------------------------------------------------- END -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/

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RIPE53 WG meeting - Note to Presenters
by Mike Hughes 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Hi folks, Most of you probably know the drill these days, but just to make sure... Please upload your presentation using the Upload Facility - <http://rosie.ripe.net/uploads.html> This gets your slideware automagically transferred by the wonders of technology onto the laptop in the meeting room, and it means we don't have to clown around massaging laptop-projector relationships during the working group meeting itself. One final change since the agenda was issued, and that is Netnod are now presenting after NaMEX withdrew from the agenda. Cheers, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/

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EIX-WG Final Agenda
by Mike Hughes 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

Hello all, Here is the final agenda for the EIX Working Group to be held at RIPE 53. If you add up the allocated times for the presentations, we're almost exactly on our alloted 90 minutes, and there's a chance we'll overrun slightly. It will, therefore, not be possible to take any further submissions (including "IXP Reports") on the day, to avoid excessively running over into the lunch break. One option, if people aren't entirely happy with this situation is that we try to arrange to switch to a longer (2 hour) slot on the Wednesday afternoon. Please let the EIX WG chairs know your thoughts on this area. Thanks, Mike 8<------------------------------------------------------------------------ RIPE 53 EIX-WG Agenda --------------------- Date & Time: Thursday 5th October, 11.00-12.30 A. Administrivia [1 min] Scribe Jabber Scribe Webcasting B. Agenda Bashing [2 mins] C. IEEE >10G HSSG Report - Greg Hankins, Force10 Networks [~20 mins] D. Call for Input, IXP Switch Wishlist v3.1 - Mike Hughes, LINX [<5 mins] E. sFlow implementation at AMS-IX - Elisa Jasinska, AMS-IX [~20 mins] X. Euro-IX Report - Serge Radovcic, Euro-IX Secretariat [10 mins] Y. IXP News/Reports [max 30 mins total so <5 minutes each] AMS-IX NDIX DE-CIX VIX LINX MIX NIX.CZ NAMEX Z. AOB 8<------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/

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RIPE 53 EIX-WG Agenda Draft, take 2
by Mike Hughes 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

So, I did forget someone, and someone else asked for a slot. Here's the agenda as it stands. I also have one more potential item to try and squeeze in. 8<------------------------------------------------------------------------ RIPE 53 EIX-WG Draft Agenda --------------------------- Date & Time: Thursday 5th October, 11.00-12.30 A. Administrivia [2 mins] Scribe Jabber Scribe Webcasting B. Agenda Bashing [2 mins] C. IEEE >10G HSSG Report - Greg Hankins, Force10 Networks [~20 mins] D. Call for Input, IXP Switch Wishlist v3.1 - Mike Hughes, LINX [<5 mins] E. sFlow implementation at AMS-IX - Elisa Jasinska, AMS-IX [~20 mins] X. Euro-IX Report - Serge Radovcic, Euro-IX Secretariat [5 mins] Y. IXP News/Reports [max 30 mins total] AMS-IX NDIX DE-CIX VIX LINX MIX Z. AOB 8<------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/

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Draft Agenda - RIPE 53, and final CFP
by Mike Hughes 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

Hi all, Here is the current draft agenda for the RIPE EIX Working Group meeting at RIPE 53. Based on feedback from the initial CFP, we will use a format whereby we take the more substantive items early in the agenda, and move the "reporting" items toward the end of the session. Thereby if we run out of time, the reporting presentations can simply be noted by the chair, and uploaded to the Working Group area of RIPE website. 8<------------------------------------------------------------------------ RIPE 53 EIX-WG Draft Agenda --------------------------- Date & Time: Thursday 5th October, 11.00-12.30 A. Administrivia Scribe Jabber Scribe Webcasting B. Agenda Bashing C. IEEE >10G HSSG Report - Greg Hankins, Force10 Networks D. Call for Input, IXP Switch Wishlist v3.1 - Mike Hughes, LINX X. Euro-IX Report - Serge Radovcic, Euro-IX Secretariat Y. IXP News/Reports AMS-IX NDIX DE-CIX VIX LINX Z. AOB 8<------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think that's all the agenda items I've been sent. If I appear to have forgotten something you have submitted, please send me a reminder :). Final Call for presentations and other agenda items: ---------------------------------------------------- We often get last minute "agenda swell" at EIX, which frequently results in us overrunning our allocated slot. This time, I want to try and avoid this last minute "rush" for agenda slots, so please, if you wish to make a presentation, let either myself, or one of my fellow co-chairs know, as soon as possible. Once the allotted time for the agenda has been used up, it will not be possible to submit further items. Looking at the meeting plan as it stands, we would probably have to overlap undesirably with other working groups if we need extra time. So please, asap with any additional items. I plan to publish the final agenda *this Friday* with timings. Thanks, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/

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RIPE 53 EIX-WG - Call for Presentations
by Mike Hughes 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

Hi folks, The RIPE 53 meeting will be held from the 2nd to the 6th October in Amsterdam. If you have an item for the EIX Working Group, please let me, or Christian or Fearghas know ASAP. "Regular" exchange point updates shall be less than 5 minutes in length and have minimal slideware. Maybe we should have Yellow (to tell you to wind up) and Red (to stop) cards, a bit like a lightning talk? That said, the sooner you can let me know if you'll have something to say the better. The last couple of meetings, I've been plagued by people turning up moments before the session demanding to speak - this makes it difficult to agenda plan. If your exchange has something more substantive to talk about, please send a brief abstract/description of what you plan to present, along with a time estimate, and we can allocate you agenda time accordingly. At the last couple of meetings, we have run over into lunch or the coffee break. We realise that a key element of RIPE meetings is the social mingling during the breaks and as such would prefer not to run over (...we also don't like finding all the profiteroles gone from the dessert buffet by the time we get there). Therefore, if it looks like we have more items than slot time (we currently have one 90 minute slot allocated), I can seek an additional slot from the RIPE NCC, otherwise have to trim the agenda to fit. As such, I am very tempted to put substantive items at the start of the session, with the "vanilla" updates at the end, and welcome feedback on this approach. Finally, I will be in the US the week before RIPE, so I'd like to try and get at least a draft by agenda in the bag by the end of August, and as close as possible to final by the 22nd September. Thanks, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/

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RE: [eix-wg] RIPE 53 EIX-WG - Call for Presentations
by Remco van Mook 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

In which I'll add an equally plain but nevertheless tasty strawberry NDIX presentation. :-) Remco ________________________________ From: eix-wg-admin(a)ripe.net [mailto:eix-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Cara Mascini Sent: maandag 21 augustus 2006 13:46 To: Mike Hughes; eix-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [eix-wg] RIPE 53 EIX-WG - Call for Presentations >> Mike Hughes wrote: >> >>> As such, I am very tempted to put substantive items at the start >>> of the >>> session, with the "vanilla" updates at the end, and welcome >>> feedback on >>> this approach. >> >> This sounds like an excellent plan to me. For what its worth put me down for a plain vanilla AMS-IX update somewhere at the end. I'm sure Henk and team will come up with a more substantial chocolate item ;-) Cara

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IP Anti-Spoofing Task Force Kicks Off
by Daniel Karrenberg 17 May '06

17 May '06

At the Istanbul meeting (RIPE52), RIPE decided to establish an "IP Anti-Soofing Task Force". For motivation, charter and work-plan see http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-379.html The task force is co-chaird by Nina Hjorth Bargisen (NINA1-RIPE) and Daniel Karrenberg (DK58). The task force web page with information about the mailing list etc is at http://www.ripe.net/ripe/tf/anti-spoofing/ We will give regular reports about progress on the maining list. We are looking for volunteers to contribute to the How-To document and experience reports. We are especially looking for contributions from equipment vendors and network operators here. CISCO has agreed at the RIPE meeting to provide us with material and help with this. Contacts with other vendors are most welcome. Will those offered to help at the RIPE meeting please get in touch again so we can plan the work. Nina Bargisen Daniel Karrenberg

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Speaker Reminder: upload your slide sets!
by Mike Hughes 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

Hi folks, To make things go smoothly at the Working Group today, please upload your presentations. Go to http://rosie.ripe.net/ and click the "Upload Presentation" link on the left hand nav bar. We've definitely not got much time to fiddle around with speakers' laptops and memory sticks/flash drives today. During the IXP updates slot, I'm going to suggest that the next speaker gets ready when the previous one is taking questions. Thanks for participating! Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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Final Agenda for EIX-WG, RIPE 52, Istanbul
by Mike Hughes 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

Hi all, Another update to the agenda. We are now very full tomorrow, and I'm closing the agenda to further new items. I will not accept any additional IXP update items on the day. Thanks, Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------- DATE: Thursday 27th April TIME: 11.00 - 12.30 (90 mins) ROOM: Bosphorus II CHAIR: Mike Hughes <mike(a)linx.net> A. Administrivia (<5 min) Welcome Scribe Attendee sheets Approve Minutes of RIPE 51 B. Agenda Bashing C. IXP Updates (~3-5 min each) NIX.CZ - Josef Chomyn AMS-IX - Cara/et al NYIIX/LAIIX - Akio Sugeno DE-CIX Frankfurt - Wolfgang Tremmel/Bernhard Kroenung, et al. NAMEX - Daniele Arena LINX - Mike Hughes SFINX - Franck Simon MIX - Simone Morandini VIX - Christian Panigl NDIX - Remco Van Mook Netnod - Kurtis Lindqvist (Total 40-45 mins) D. Euro-IX News - Serge Radovcic (5 mins) E. IX.PR, Peering in Puerto Rico - Mehmet Akcin (20-25 mins) F. Massive Scaling at AMS-IX - Henk Steenman, AMS-IX (15-20 mins) G. Asia-Pac Peering update - Gaurab Raj Uphadaya, PCH (<5 mins) H. "In absentia" IXP Updates (time allowing) One item has been submitted: Gigapix - Carlos Friacas Carlos, can you be available in IRC/Jabber in case anyone wishes to ask questions? I. AOB ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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Updated Agenda for EIX-WG, RIPE 52, Istanbul
by Mike Hughes 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

We've had some additional IXP presentations submitted for inclusion in the agenda, and one "in absentia" item submitted. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- DATE: Thursday 27th April TIME: 11.00 - 12.30 (90 mins) ROOM: Bosphorus II CHAIR: Mike Hughes <mike(a)linx.net> A. Administrivia (5 min) Welcome Scribe Attendee sheets Approve Minutes of RIPE 51 B. Agenda Bashing C. IXP Updates (~3-5 min each) NIX.CZ - Josef Chomyn AMS-IX - Cara/et al NYIIX/LAIIX - Akio Sugeno DE-CIX Frankfurt - Wolfgang Tremmel/Bernhard Kroenung, et al. NAMEX - Daniele Arena LINX - Mike Hughes SFINX - Franck Simon MIX - Simone Morandini VIX - Christian Panigl (Total 40 mins) D. Euro-IX News - Serge Radovcic (5 mins) E. IX.PR, Peering in Puerto Rico - Mehmet Akcin (20-25 mins) F. Massive Scaling at AMS-IX - Henk Steenman (TBC), AMX-IX (20 mins) G. "In absentia" IXP Updates (time allowing) One item has been submitted: Gigapix - Carlos Friacas Carlos, can you be available in IRC/Jabber in case anyone wishes to ask questions? H. AOB ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think we have a full 90 minutes, so please keep the updates brief - most people in the room know who you are :). Cheers! Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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MIX update for RIPE52
by Simone Morandini 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

Hi Mike, can you please reserve 5 minutes for a MIX update? I sent you an e-mail a few days ago, let me know if you didn't get it. Thanks, Simone.

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Agenda for EIX-WG, RIPE 52, Istanbul
by Mike Hughes 18 Apr '06

18 Apr '06

Hi folks, Herewith the proposed agenda for the EIX-WG at the RIPE 52 meeting: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- DATE: Thursday 27th April TIME: 11.00 - 12.30 (90 mins) ROOM: Bosphorus II CHAIR: Mike Hughes <mike(a)linx.net> A. Administrivia (5 min) Welcome Scribe Attendee sheets Approve Minutes of RIPE 51 B. Agenda Bashing C. IXP Updates (~3-5 min each) NIX.CZ - Josef Chomyn AMS-IX - Cara/et al NYIIX/LAIIX - Akio Sugeno DE-CIX - Wolfgang Tremmel/Bernhard Kroenung NAMEX - Daniele Arena LINX - Mike Hughes (Total 30 mins) D. Euro-IX News - Serge Radovcic (5 mins) E. IX.PR, Peering in Puerto Rico - Mehmet Akcin (20-25 mins) F. Massive Scaling at AMS-IX - Henk Steenman (TBC), AMX-IX (20 mins) G. "In absentia" IXP Updates (time allowing) At least one regular contributor has requested to submit material in absentia, to be presented from the Chair. If there is time allowing, I will show these slides. A member from the submitting IXP shall be available via IRC/Jabber for questions. Should there be insufficient time, any slides submitted will be noted in the minutes and made available on the WG area of the RIPE website, to be viewed at leisure. Any IXP that wishes to send a simple update (~3 slides) shall submit them to the WG Chair by Thursday 20th April 2006. H. AOB ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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