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RIPE 51 EIX-WG Agenda Update
by Mike Hughes 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

Hi folks, Here's an update to the agenda for the RIPE 51 EIX Working Group. We're meeting on Thursday 13th November, in St Johns Room II. ------------------------------------------------------------------- RIPE EIX Working Group 13th October 2005, 11.00am Draft Agenda v2 1 Scribe 2 Agenda Bashing 3 RIPE50 Minutes Approval 4 Euro-IX Presentation 5 IXP Presentations - AMSIX - INEX - LINX - NDIX - NIX - NIX.CZ - SFINX - Terremark - VIX 6 AS-SETs for exchanges (e.g. AS-LINX-CONNECTED) - will other IXPs follow suit? - New DB object for this, or is an as-set the right way to do this? - assign person to I/O with DB-WG if required 7 "VoIP Peering" and what it hasn't got to do with you 8 AOB -------------------------------------------------------------------- Presenters should upload their presentations to the RIPE NCC supplied laptop, using the instructions here <http://rosie.ripe.net/uploads.html>. It's unlikely we will have time to muck around changing over laptops. If you can't upload to the facility, then put your presentation on a USB flash drive. Note, the upload facility is only accessible from inside the RIPE meeting network. Cheers, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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Call for Additional Agenda items for RIPE 51 EIX-WG
by Mike Hughes 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

Hi folks, A reminder that if you have any agenda items for the RIPE 51 EIX-WG, please let me know, asap, so that I can publish an updated agenda. This includes all IXPs that wish to make update presentations on the day. I would prefer that all presenters use the presentation upload facility to push their presentations onto the NCC provided laptop, rather than fiddling around changing laptops on the day. Details on how to upload presentations can be found here: <http://rosie.ripe.net/uploads.html> Thanks, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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RIPE 50 EIX-WG Minutes
by Mike Hughes 03 Oct '05

03 Oct '05

Hi folks, Herewith a copy of the minutes from the EIX-WG meeting at Stockholm for your approval. Please let Fearghas or I know of any issues or discrepancies. Thanks, Mike ----8<------------- EIX-WG May 5th, Thursday, 11:00 - 12:30 RIPE 50, Stockholm Agenda ====== A Scribe B Agenda Bashing C RIPE 49 Minutes Approval 5 minutes for all D IXP Presentations 45 minutes E RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses 5 minutes F Switching Wishlist G The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps 35 minutes Minutes: ========= A Scribe Vesna Manojlovic from RIPE NCC Attendance sheet circulated B Agenda Bashing Nothing to add C RIPE 49 Minutes Approval Minutes approved D IXP Presentations D.1 AMSIX, Cara Mascini http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-amsix.pdf New product launched: 10GE. Night traffic growing the most. Using the TTM boxes to monitor their infrastructure . D.2 DE-CIX, Bernhard Kroenung http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-decix.pdf Partner program introduced. Not much difference to regular members. First partner in Luxemburg. Second technical meeting in April. D.3 Equinix, Jay Adelson http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-equinix.… Equinix is spread around the world (but not in Europe); co-location, used to exchange traffic. D.4 Gigapix, Carlos Friacas (FCCN) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-gigapix.… Small IX, the only one in Portugal. D.5 INXS Munich, Martin McDermott http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-inxs.pdf D.6 LINX, Mike Hughes http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-linx.pdf MG8 now deployed. The "Faulty Towers" (sic) problem has been patched. Will be upgrading the second LINX platform (currently Extreme) starting later this year. The new web site launched; old one still available. D.7 NaMeX Rome, Daniele Arena http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-namex.pdf Asked by the members to look into VoIP peerings. Had a working group on it. D.8 NIX.CZ Prague, Josef Chomyn http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-nix-cz.p… Q: What is the difference between members & customers? A: Memebers can vote; customers have the same contieions, but can not vote. D.9 NDIX (Nl-De), Dietmar Hoelscher http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-ndix.pdf D.10 Netnod Stockholm, Kurtis Lindqkvist http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-netnod.p… Located in 5 cities in Sweden, in caves/bunkers. Sponsoring diner, have T-shirts with new logo. D.11 NYIIX/LAIIX (Telehouse America), Sugeno Akio http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-laiix.pdf Located in New York & Los Angeles. D.12 Union-IXP, Fearghas McKay http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-union.pdf New IXP in Central Scotland. Member-run. D.13 VIX, Christian Panigl http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-vix.pdf D.14 Euro-IX, Serge Radovcic http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-euroix.p… E RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses, Vesna Manojlovic http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-rr.pdf F Switching Wishlist, Mike Hughes, LINX http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-wishlist… URL: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/eix-wg/2005/msg00010.html Want it to be a two-way dialog with vendors; to review vendor plans for implementation before they get on with it. mike(a)linx.net for feedback. Q (Christian): Dealine for comments? A: If people are happy with v3.0, it will be published next week. The rest of the feedback will e included in the version 3.1, and published around next RIPE meeting. Q (Gaurab): At APRICOT there was a sucessful operators wishlist discussion. Maybe you would find that interesting to take a look. A: Will take a look. Note by Chair: If you are going to present on the EIX-WG meeting, it would be useful to be subscribed to the mailing list, because I've posted the agenda & the instructions about the upload to the list. G "The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps" - Bill Norton http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-peering-… Disucssion: Additional Advantages of Public Peering: 5. (VIX) Peering slut (?!): benefit more from using route servers, for easy management of peering sessions. 6. (AMSIX) Large public peering ports over private connections saves engineers - you set up the peering once, instead of seting-up multiple private ones. 7. (DE-CIX) Redundancy - if you have multiple connections on public peering, and your partners also have multiple connections.. Second port is usually very cheap on most IXPs. A: This model is about only one location; does not take into consideration mulitple locations. 8. Cesnet: The costs are not that high in Enurope. A: I will include those in later version of the spreadsheet. Discussion: Additional Advantages of Private Peering: Maurice from Google: - Over-subscription can be monitored also on the public peering. - You can use both. Keith Mithel: Scaling can be a problem for private peerings. Mike Hughes: People don't have enough back-haul away from the IX. Malcom, Linx: "tapping" possibility would be known much in advance. Maurice, Google: Change in the transition practices: put switches instead of routers into IX. Mike Hughes: Beware using just one or two routers in a metro, can have BGP multipathing problems, leading to convergence problems". The End: best bit now - the T-shirts by Netnod! -----8<------------- -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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RIPE 50 EIX-WG Minutes
by Mike Hughes 03 Oct '05

03 Oct '05

Hi folks, Herewith a copy of the minutes from the EIX-WG meeting at Stockholm for your approval. Please let Fearghas or I know of any issues or discrepancies. Thanks, Mike ----8<------------- EIX-WG May 5th, Thursday, 11:00 - 12:30 RIPE 50, Stockholm Agenda ====== A Scribe B Agenda Bashing C RIPE 49 Minutes Approval 5 minutes for all D IXP Presentations 45 minutes E RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses 5 minutes F Switching Wishlist G The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps 35 minutes Minutes: ========= A Scribe Vesna Manojlovic from RIPE NCC Attendance sheet circulated B Agenda Bashing Nothing to add C RIPE 49 Minutes Approval Minutes approved D IXP Presentations D.1 AMSIX, Cara Mascini http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-amsix.pdf New product launched: 10GE. Night traffic growing the most. Using the TTM boxes to monitor their infrastructure . D.2 DE-CIX, Bernhard Kroenung http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-decix.pdf Partner program introduced. Not much difference to regular members. First partner in Luxemburg. Second technical meeting in April. D.3 Equinix, Jay Adelson http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-equinix.… Equinix is spread around the world (but not in Europe); co-location, used to exchange traffic. D.4 Gigapix, Carlos Friacas (FCCN) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-gigapix.… Small IX, the only one in Portugal. D.5 INXS Munich, Martin McDermott http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-inxs.pdf D.6 LINX, Mike Hughes http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-linx.pdf MG8 now deployed. The "Faulty Towers" (sic) problem has been patched. Will be upgrading the second LINX platform (currently Extreme) starting later this year. The new web site launched; old one still available. D.7 NaMeX Rome, Daniele Arena http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-namex.pdf Asked by the members to look into VoIP peerings. Had a working group on it. D.8 NIX.CZ Prague, Josef Chomyn http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-nix-cz.p… Q: What is the difference between members & customers? A: Memebers can vote; customers have the same contieions, but can not vote. D.9 NDIX (Nl-De), Dietmar Hoelscher http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-ndix.pdf D.10 Netnod Stockholm, Kurtis Lindqkvist http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-netnod.p… Located in 5 cities in Sweden, in caves/bunkers. Sponsoring diner, have T-shirts with new logo. D.11 NYIIX/LAIIX (Telehouse America), Sugeno Akio http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-laiix.pdf Located in New York & Los Angeles. D.12 Union-IXP, Fearghas McKay http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-union.pdf New IXP in Central Scotland. Member-run. D.13 VIX, Christian Panigl http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-vix.pdf D.14 Euro-IX, Serge Radovcic http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-euroix.p… E RIPE NCC Presentation on Routing Registry & associated training courses, Vesna Manojlovic http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-rr.pdf F Switching Wishlist, Mike Hughes, LINX http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-wishlist… URL: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/eix-wg/2005/msg00010.html Want it to be a two-way dialog with vendors; to review vendor plans for implementation before they get on with it. mike(a)linx.net for feedback. Q (Christian): Dealine for comments? A: If people are happy with v3.0, it will be published next week. The rest of the feedback will e included in the version 3.1, and published around next RIPE meeting. Q (Gaurab): At APRICOT there was a sucessful operators wishlist discussion. Maybe you would find that interesting to take a look. A: Will take a look. Note by Chair: If you are going to present on the EIX-WG meeting, it would be useful to be subscribed to the mailing list, because I've posted the agenda & the instructions about the upload to the list. G "The Great (Public vs Private) Peering Debate: Peering at 10Gbps" - Bill Norton http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-eix-peering-… Disucssion: Additional Advantages of Public Peering: 5. (VIX) Peering slut (?!): benefit more from using route servers, for easy management of peering sessions. 6. (AMSIX) Large public peering ports over private connections saves engineers - you set up the peering once, instead of seting-up multiple private ones. 7. (DE-CIX) Redundancy - if you have multiple connections on public peering, and your partners also have multiple connections.. Second port is usually very cheap on most IXPs. A: This model is about only one location; does not take into consideration mulitple locations. 8. Cesnet: The costs are not that high in Enurope. A: I will include those in later version of the spreadsheet. Discussion: Additional Advantages of Private Peering: Maurice from Google: - Over-subscription can be monitored also on the public peering. - You can use both. Keith Mithel: Scaling can be a problem for private peerings. Mike Hughes: People don't have enough back-haul away from the IX. Malcom, Linx: "tapping" possibility would be known much in advance. Maurice, Google: Change in the transition practices: put switches instead of routers into IX. Mike Hughes: Beware using just one or two routers in a metro, can have BGP multipathing problems, leading to convergence problems". The End: best bit now - the T-shirts by Netnod! -----8<------------- -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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RIPE 51 EIX-WG Agenda Items
by Mike Hughes 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

Hi all, Apologies for the lateness, I'm currently soliciting agenda items for the upcoming EIX-WG meeting at RIPE 51, which will be held between 11am and 12.30 on the Thursday, in the St John's room at the Kras. Draft Agenda 1 Scribe 2 Agenda Bashing 3 Minutes Approval 4 IXP Presentations 6 AOB Thanks, Mike -- Mike Hughes Chief Technical Officer London Internet Exchange mike(a)linx.net http://www.linx.net/ "Only one thing in life is certain: init is Process #1"

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