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Question for all candidates
by Daniel Pearson 22 May '24

22 May '24

It appears this mailing list does not get used very much but I would like a direct comment from each proposed candidate up for election on the charging scheme changes, and your view point on if RIPE should be reducing its budget and how the current situation is being handled. Thanks for your time. Daniel~

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Re: [eb-candidates] eb-candidates Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5
by Alex Volodin 14 May '24

14 May '24

Hello, We have an interesting situation: the executive board lives its own life, and the community lives its own. Despite the community's efforts to convey its thoughts and suggestions to the board, the board remains in its own world. Although the board states, "We encourage members to continue discussions on the mailing list, and also to contribute to the wider discussions on the long-term future of RIPE NCC," it does not actually respond to them. I'm not sure about cuts, but I definitely think we need to carefully review the budget and build it with current realities in mind. ------ Исходное сообщение ------ От eb-candidates-request(a)ripe.net Кому eb-candidates(a)ripe.net Дата 14.05.2024 19:34:00 Тема eb-candidates Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 >Send eb-candidates mailing list submissions to >eb-candidates(a)ripe.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/eb-candidates >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >eb-candidates-request(a)ripe.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at >eb-candidates-owner(a)ripe.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of eb-candidates digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Question for all candidates (Daniel Pearson) > 2. Re: Question for all candidates (Daniel Pearson) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 12:18:20 -0500 >From: Daniel Pearson <daniel(a)privatesystems.net> >To: Piotr Strzyzewski <piotr(a)internetsailor.net> >Cc: eb-candidates(a)ripe.net >Subject: Re: [eb-candidates] Question for all candidates >Message-ID: <b33a4acc-37e2-4c60-af74-f854fb840075(a)privatesystems.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >Hi Piotr, > >Thanks for the first reply as well. > >I'll attempt to clarify but I do understand these are broad questions, so it might be better to re-word it a bit. > >- Do you feel that the charging scheme proposal issued by the board was the appropriate measure to make, or should the board have taken more seriously the call to reduce it's budget and operate from reserves while it found ways to cut expenses? > >- When referring to RIPE I do refer to the RIPE NCC > >- Referring in general terms to the proposal issued here - https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/ and the current action / response of the board in not allowing a measure to be voted down, but instead rigging or guaranteeing that regardless of the number or style of votes, one of their proposed measures will pass. > >I feel this may have been calculated, since last year an option to maintain the existing choice was included, which received the majority vote, however, this year no such option was included so regardless of ones feelings, and regardless how much a member may disagree with that choice there is no way to record that displeasure and have it reflect in the vote. > >Daniel~ > > >On 5/14/24 11:33 AM, Piotr Strzyzewski wrote: >>On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 07:16:06AM -0500, Daniel Pearson wrote: >> >>Hi Daniel, >> >>First of all, thank you for the first question of this year's election. >>It is much appreciated. >> >>>It appears this mailing list does not get used very much but I would like a >>>direct comment from each proposed candidate up for election on the charging >>>scheme changes, and your view point on if RIPE should be reducing its budget >>>and how the current situation is being handled. >>In order to better answer your question(s), I would like to ask you for >>a clarification: >>- what exactly do you mean by "the charging scheme changes" >>- whether by RIPE you mean RIPE Community or RIPE NCC >>- which current situation you have in mind >> >>While waiting for your comments, I encourage everyone to come to >>tomorrow's Open House, where you can ask these and other questions. >> >>Best, >>Piotr >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 12:33:50 -0500 >From: Daniel Pearson <daniel(a)privatesystems.net> >To: Pavel Odintsov <pavel.odintsov(a)gmail.com> >Cc: eb-candidates(a)ripe.net >Subject: Re: [eb-candidates] Question for all candidates >Message-ID: <0f5250e6-bf88-4327-af38-2b26a405302e(a)privatesystems.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > >Hi Pavel, > >Thank you for your well thought out response. > >I appreciate your time invested in trying to answer this question and I do not disagree fundamentally with attempting to do so with raw data as much as possible. As much as I would like to say I could stand side by side with you in such an effort to continue to dig, we all have our limitations in time that can be allotted, however, I fully support and appreciate having as much data public as possible. > >Personally, I am of a very suspicious opinion that RIPE NCC has become quite the bloated organization potentially stifled by its own size. > >I would love to see your findings shared with the community, and as active as the members mailing list is currently, I do believe the time is ripe (pun intended) for members to pay attention to additional data and metrics. I feel evaluating expenses, and then extrapolating the benefit from said expenses should be first and foremost on the list. > >I look forward to what may come. > >Daniel~ > > >On 5/14/24 12:06 PM, Pavel Odintsov wrote: >> >>Hello, Daniel and all Community Members! >> >> >>Thank you very much for your question! >> >> >>About one month ago, the RIPE NCC Board proposed a draft of a new charging scheme that stirred intense debate and resistance from a significant portion of RIPE NCC Members. This motivated me to join a group (https://t.me/ripe_budget_talks <https://t.me/ripe_budget_talks>) to better understand RIPE NCC finances and, ideally, to propose an alternative charging scheme that aligns with the interests and needs of as many RIPE NCC Members across the regions as possible. Our group had fewer than a dozen members at its inception and has grown to 110 members, including RIPE NCC executives and the RIPE NCC Board Chair. >> >> >>Our first project was to propose an alternative charging scheme, but we ran into a significant obstacle which almost derailed our effort and caused delays - we missed crucial data in machine-readable formats. We lack detailed machine-readable information about RIPE NCC members, LIRs (and their relationship with RIPE NCC members) and their resources (IPv4, IPv6, PI, ASN) that they hold. In response to this, we had to source side data to compensate for the lack of this information from official sources. As we progressed, we discovered a total lack of information about agreements with legacy resource holders and associated fees. These details are crucial for modeling charging schemes, yet they are clearly missing - this fact was confirmed in writing by RIPE NCC staff. >> >> >>The charging scheme is only one aspect of the RIPE NCC budget. Hence, we sought to understand how RIPE NCC allocates its funds, and yet again, we encountered significant gaps in our research which we were unable to fill using information obtained through official channels. Please let me know if you?re interested in details and I?ll be glad to share all our findings with Community. >> >> >>We cannot propose alternative charging schemes or find ways to reduce budget without having all the information needed available to every single Member of RIPE NCC in a clear and (ideally) machine readable format. >> >> >>My personal focus as a potential RIPE NCC Board member will be on increased transparency as it?s the only way to engage the incredible skill of our wide RIPE NCC Member community and use it to find solutions to our current and future challenges. >> >> >>United we stand! >> >> >>The RIPE Community is invited to join our initiative, by contributing knowledge and expertise to improve the RIPE Community and RIPE NCC. Our main communication platform is Telegram but we will be happy to add more platforms if needed: https://t.me/ripe_budget_talks <https://t.me/ripe_budget_talks> >> >> >>If you have any feedback or ideas to share, please contact me here or reach me via the following channels: >> >> * >> >> WhatsApp: +447437307046 >> >> * >> >> Signal: pavel.50 >> >> * >> >> Telegram: pavel_odintsov https://t.me/pavel_odintsov >> <https://t.me/pavel_odintsov> >> >> * >> >> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/podintsov/ >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/podintsov/> >> >> * >> >> Discord: pavel.odintsov >> >> * >> >> IRC: LiberaChat pavel_odintsov >> >> >>Thank you! >> >> >> >> >>On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 15:16, Daniel Pearson <daniel(a)privatesystems.net> wrote: >> >> It appears this mailing list does not get used very much but I would >> like a direct comment from each proposed candidate up for election on >> the charging scheme changes, and your view point on if RIPE should be >> reducing its budget and how the current situation is being handled. >> >> >> Thanks for your time. >> >> Daniel~ >> >> >> -- eb-candidates mailing list >>eb-candidates(a)ripe.net >>https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/eb-candidates >> >> >> >>-- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov > >

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Re: [eb-candidates] Question to all the candidates
by Raymond Jetten 14 May '23

14 May '23

Hi Hank, Thank you for your questions: I would like to hear the opinion of every candidate in regards to the RIPE NCC budget. Is it too big or too small or just right? What would you change in the RIPE NCC budget? I could write a much longer version of my answer(s) on this, but I will try to keep it short and as clear as possible: It's not the board that should give guidelines to the members what is in or what is not in the budget. It's the members opinions that the board should listen to. After RIPE 86 we'll have a few open house sessions on the budget where members can discuss and give their input, and of course there is the membership mailing list. What I would change in the RIPE NCC budget is to strive to get a yet more as much detailed version of the budget and its content to be visible for the members, so they can make easier decisions on what they want to promote, and what has less preference. I hope this answers your questions, Best regards, Raymond Jetten RIPE NCC Executive board, Treasurer For Internal Use Only

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Question to all the candidates
by Hank Nussbacher 12 May '23

12 May '23

I would like to hear the opinion of every candidate in regards to the RIPE NCC budget. Is it too big or too small or just right? What would you change in the RIPE NCC budget? Regards, Hank

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RIPE NCC Open House: Meet the Executive Board Candidates - Wednesday, 17 May 2023
by Boris Duval 11 May '23

11 May '23

Dear all, All members are invited to participate in a dedicated Open House session to interact with candidates in the running for the RIPE NCC Executive Board. This event takes place online on Wednesday, 17 May 2023 from 09:00-10:30 UTC (11:00 - 12:30 CEST). You can register at: https://meeting-registration.ripe.net/meeting-pub/registration?7&meetingId=… The Open House is for you to ask candidates questions and to have an open discussion with them. Questions for candidates can also be sent in writing to agm at ripe.net before the Open House. If you are unable to attend, the session will be recorded for you to watch at a later time. Best, Boris Duval RIPE NCC

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