Dear Friends, I'm new in this mailing list, I'm technical person of IR cctld, We would like to start registration through resellers,I would like to know if there is a software available to perform the automatic registration. I'll be grateful if you would give me any idea about reselling , besides , I would like to register for ripe 46 meeting, and would like to know if any discussion about DNS will be held ? Kind regards Alireza.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 06:54:58PM +0430, alireza saleh <saleh@mailhost.nic.ir> wrote a message of 11 lines which said:
like to start registration through resellers,I would like to know if there is a software available to perform the automatic registration.
Besides the excellent advice from John Brown, do note that OpenReg, as its documentation says, was made for "ICANN registries", which means for large gTLD with large registrars, having enough money and time to develop their part of the registration system (the EPP client, for instance). OpenReg has only one interface, the EPP one. So, all of your resellers will have to develop EPP knowledge, which may be too much for them. If you wish to go the EPP way (a moving target!), you can point your resellers toward existing free software for the EPP client: * IRI (http://open.gandi.net) * EPP-RTK (http://epp-rtk.sourceforge.net) On the server side (yours), and if you already have a lot of nice CGI to manage the registry, mod_epp may interest you: http://sourceforge.net/projects/aepps/
besides , I would like to register for ripe 46 meeting, and would like to know if any discussion about DNS will be held ?
Also, I believe that your question would be more appropriate on the CENTR mailing lists, since you are a member of CENTR.
If you wish to go the EPP way (a moving target!). EPP is not a moving target. The specs are in the rfc-editor queue. When they are published as RFC (proposed Draft) then EPP will be offical. People having done implementations on earlier drafts created what seems to be a moving target. jaap
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 11:57:49AM +0200, Jaap Akkerhuis <jaap@sidn.nl> wrote a message of 11 lines which said:
EPP is not a moving target. The specs are in the rfc-editor queue. When they are published as RFC (proposed Draft) then EPP will be offical.
People having done implementations on earlier drafts created what seems to be a moving target.
Most big EPP registries do *not* use the current version (the one in the RFC Editor queue). Most free EPP software do *not* use the current version (and hence do not interoperate, for instance Gandi's IRI, which works with ".biz" and ".info" registries does not work with OpenReg).
I highly encourage folks who are using any IETF reviewed document to be sure to read and understand this document before making a judgement on the status of any development within the IETF: RFC 2026: http://ietf.org/rfc/rfc2026.txt As far as EPP is concerned, Jaap's words are correct (as would be expected of a co-chair). It is true that earlier versions of EPP are running around, but keep in mind that EPP as described in the documents in the RFC editor queue have these advantages over the earlier versions: 1) The RFC Editor-Queued documents reflect more and more public review of the work, hence a more broadly acceptable proposal than earlier documents. This is of course relative to those who actively participated in the effort. 2) The Queued documents have been reviewed by the IESG process representing a broader range of expertise to make sure EPP is more in line with the internet protocols previously defined. 3) The Queued documents will be archived "permanently" unlike the documents that describe the earlier versions. The currently Queued documents represent a Proposed Standard in IETF language, which promises higher quality than an internet draft, but lacks sufficient operational testing to be considered a Standard fit for full blown production. On one hand, the Queued documents represent a stable and qualified document definition. On the other hand, there may be unknown issues that will need tweaking before we are satisfied that EPP is solid. There's no (guaranteed) free lunch. The IETF consists of folks volunteering (perhaps because their employer pays them to do so) to make a protocol definition. The IETF does not provide free software (although participants may do so), nor sell software (ditto), nor does it require the use of any protocol or software in the network. The IETF is just a group of engineers trying to make protocols possible. Operators (registries too) will need invest to benefit from the IETF definitions. At 12:08 +0200 7/17/03, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
Most big EPP registries do *not* use the current version (the one in the RFC Editor queue).
Most free EPP software do *not* use the current version (and hence do not interoperate, for instance Gandi's IRI, which works with ".biz" and ".info" registries does not work with OpenReg).
Remember that "you get what you pay for" - I'm not saying that the free software is of poor quality - but if the software base isn't conformant to the Queued documents (better yet the resulting RFCs), I'd be wary to count on it for my operations. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-703-227-9854 ARIN Research Engineer ...as graceful as a blindfolded bull in a china shop...
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 01:58:40PM +0200, Edward Lewis <edlewis@arin.net> wrote a message of 60 lines which said:
It is true that earlier versions of EPP are running around,
"Running around" is a nice word for something in use in ".biz" and ".info".
if the software base isn't conformant to the Queued documents (better yet the resulting RFCs), I'd be wary to count on it for my operations.
This is a very strange argument. Gandi's IRI works with the EPP actually used in the registries. This makes sense, from an user's point of view.
At 14:10 +0200 7/17/03, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
if the software base isn't conformant to the Queued documents (better yet the resulting RFCs), I'd be wary to count on it for my operations.
This is a very strange argument. Gandi's IRI works with the EPP actually used in the registries. This makes sense, from an user's point of view.
Well, yes, it is strange - I would even by wary of it's use in operations at the point mentioned. Wary doesn't mean don't - wary means that I am careful. It's like when a car mechanic tells you that your car is running fine, but be wary of the brakes. Yes, normally the car runs fine and that is good for the user. But at some time a hard stop is needed, and if that overloads the brakes, the users had better be wary (seatbelt!). -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-703-227-9854 ARIN Research Engineer ...as graceful as a blindfolded bull in a china shop...
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:11:17PM +0200, Edward Lewis took time to write:
At 14:10 +0200 7/17/03, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
if the software base isn't conformant to the Queued documents (better yet the resulting RFCs), I'd be wary to count on it for my operations.
This is a very strange argument. Gandi's IRI works with the EPP actually used in the registries. This makes sense, from an user's point of view.
Well, yes, it is strange - I would even by wary of it's use in operations at the point mentioned.
I'm beginning to loose understanding of this thread... Gandi's IRI does not implement the EPP standard, since this standard does not exist right now. What does exist is few EPP drafts, and Gandi IRI supports three distinct versions of them, as used by .INFO .BIZ & .NAME registries right now. It is never implied that it handles all drafts, nor that it is updated in real time per latest drafts to handle all new bangs & whistles. It works, until Registries will change their implementation and use the EPP standard, when it comes out as such from the IETF. Right now, if you are a Registrar, you do not need a client speaking the latest EPP drafts, since no Registries use it. You will need it when Registries use them (kind of an egg and chicken problem, but many Registries will wait before EPP becomes an IETF Proposed standard before starting to use it, and some of those already using it have said to be commited to switch to the ``standard'' one as soon as possible after it appears). You may regret that Registries do not use the latest versions of EPP drafts (or that they started the EPP way far too early), but judging the quality of a client that really works (otherwise Gandi would not handle hundred of thousand of domain names, for example) by the degree in which it complies with latest drafts, seems strange to me, since the software does exactly what it says (which is not complying with all and latest EPP drafts). And BTW, since I am the author of it, but no more at Gandi, I would by happy to updrade it to the latest EPP drafts as soon as I find a job that permits me to do so, and as I may be able to do tests with servers speaking same versions (all help welcomed in this regard). Regards, and sorry for the interruption. -- Patrick. ``The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.''
At 15:42 +0200 7/17/03, Patrick wrote:
I'm beginning to loose understanding of this thread...
I agree with your response...
You may regret that Registries do not use the latest versions of EPP
If this refers to me, regret isn't the right word. For my part, I am just hoping to make sure folks understand what the IETF produces.
And BTW, since I am the author of it, but no more at Gandi, I would by happy to upgrade it to the latest EPP drafts as soon as I find a job that permits me to do so, and as I may be able to do tests with servers speaking same versions (all help welcomed in this regard).
When I mentioned that "you get what you pay for" I was not referring to quality or your work, but was referring to the point you illustrate above... -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-703-227-9854 ARIN Research Engineer ...as graceful as a blindfolded bull in a china shop...
It sounds like you are looking for Registry software so that you can have registrars sell names and insert them into your dns. I'd suggest that you look a the fine work ISC (The BIND People) has done with OpenReg, a Open Software based registry system. http://www.isc.org should get you pointed in the right direction. If you need any help with back up secondaries, or such, we have space and bandwidth available in Albuquerque, NM john brown, ceo chagres technologies, inc On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 06:54:58PM +0430, alireza saleh wrote:
Dear Friends,
I'm new in this mailing list, I'm technical person of IR cctld, We would like to start registration through resellers,I would like to know if there is a software available to perform the automatic registration. I'll be grateful if you would give me any idea about reselling , besides , I would like to register for ripe 46 meeting, and would like to know if any discussion about DNS will be held ?
Kind regards Alireza.
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