the seven people who hold the keys to worldwide internet security
Sigh. Just sigh. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwid... Well at least the article has a photo of Rick Lamb in a suit and tie, so it's not all bad... :-)
I've seen worse pieces of journalism on Internet matters, Jim. MUCH worse! And no - it's not just the photo. :-) Happy weekend, all: -C. On 28.02.2014 18:24, Jim Reid wrote:
Sigh. Just sigh.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwid...
Well at least the article has a photo of Rick Lamb in a suit and tie, so it's not all bad... :-)
On Feb 28, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
Sigh. Just sigh.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwid...
Well at least the article has a photo of Rick Lamb in a suit and tie, so it's not all bad... :-)
I actually think the story does a great job of making a deathly boring procedure interesting and accessible. kim
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:06:05AM -0800, Kim Davies wrote:
I actually think the story does a great job of making a deathly boring procedure interesting and accessible.
next week on DVD: season four of "The Big Key Ceremony" So, while, technically speaking, containing a couple of imprecisions(*), both the article and the video do transport a series of important points on the internationali[sz]ation and process/theat{re,er} aspects. I believe we've seen much worse reports in media that did not aim at the general public. There must be something about the vacuum cleaner, though. -Peter (*) Jim?
On 28 Feb 2014, at 19:07, Peter Koch <pk@DENIC.DE> wrote:
There must be something about the vacuum cleaner, though.
Yeah. I liked that bit. Perhaps we can arrange for that vacuum cleaner a leading role at RIPE68? Assuming of course the Powers That Be will permit such a vital element of worldwide interweb security to be allowed out in public. ;-)
It will become a celebrity! It's name is Dust Devil, sounds like any rock star? Anne-Marie
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On 28 Feb 2014, at 19:07, Peter Koch <pk@DENIC.DE> wrote:
There must be something about the vacuum cleaner, though.
Yeah. I liked that bit.
Perhaps we can arrange for that vacuum cleaner a leading role at RIPE68? Assuming of course the Powers That Be will permit such a vital element of worldwide interweb security to be allowed out in public.
;-)
On 02/28/2014 10:06 AM, Kim Davies wrote:
On Feb 28, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
Sigh. Just sigh.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwid...
Well at least the article has a photo of Rick Lamb in a suit and tie, so it's not all bad... :-)
I actually think the story does a great job of making a deathly boring procedure interesting and accessible.
+1, although I would have liked to see an explicit refutation of the drama-inspiring question of whether the key holders can use their keys to turn off the Internet. :) Doug
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+1, although I would have liked to see an explicit refutation of the drama-inspiring question of whether the key holders can use their keys to turn off the Internet. :)
You know the answer to that already.... :) Of course the keys aren't there to turn it off, just to keep it going! Anne-Marie
* Kim Davies wrote:
I actually think the story does a great job of making a deathly boring procedure interesting and accessible.
It's not only boring. It's expensive, too. The participants have to pay for the fame.
On 3 Mar 2014, at 14:39, Lutz Donnerhacke <lutz@iks-jena.de> wrote:
* Kim Davies wrote:
I actually think the story does a great job of making a deathly boring procedure interesting and accessible.
It's not only boring. It's expensive, too. The participants have to pay for the fame.
This might change. ICANN's just finished a consultation on the "people who hold the keys to worldwide internet security". [You might recall Kim asking here for people to respond.] One of the questions that was asked was if funding of TCR's expenses would somehow create a conflict of interest or compromise their integrity.
Hi Lutz, On 03.03.2014 15:39, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote:
* Kim Davies wrote:
I actually think the story does a great job of making a deathly boring procedure interesting and accessible.
It's not only boring. It's expensive, too. [...]
what less expensive procedure with still the same global scope would you have chosen? Best, -C.
On 28 Feb 2014, at 12:24, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
Sigh. Just sigh.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwid...
It’s not a horrible article, despite the thorough sprinkling of technical inaccuracies. It seems like a good outcome to have the physical security and the international pool of participants emphasised to this extent. Five hours is a long ceremony. Glad I wasn’t there :-) Joe
I didn't think it was that bad an article really especially if you try to view it from the point if view of somebody who knows nothing about Internet operations and/or DNS/DNSSEC. Brett
On 28 Feb 2014, at 17:26, "Jim Reid" <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
Sigh. Just sigh.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwid...
Well at least the article has a photo of Rick Lamb in a suit and tie, so it's not all bad... :-)
I agree. They did a very good job, both the journalist and the photographer. It isn't easy to understand for people in common, I mean it obviously isn't easy to understand for more technical savvy people either. :) Anne-Marie
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I didn't think it was that bad an article really especially if you try to view it from the point if view of somebody who knows nothing about Internet operations and/or DNS/DNSSEC.
Brett
On 28 Feb 2014, at 17:26, "Jim Reid" <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
Sigh. Just sigh.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys- worldwide-internet-security-web
Well at least the article has a photo of Rick Lamb in a suit and tie, so it's not all bad... :-)
Brett Carr wrote:
I didn't think it was that bad an article really especially if you try to view it from the point if view of somebody who knows nothing about Internet
...which leaves me with the question why such a person was invited: <quote> Gaining access to their inner sanctum isn't easy, but last month I was invited along to watch the ceremony and meet some of the keyholders... </quote> instead of someone who knows at least something about the topic covered. But in the end, business as usual with media people :-( -W
operations and/or DNS/DNSSEC.
Brett
On 28 Feb 2014, at 17:26, "Jim Reid" <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
Sigh. Just sigh.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwid...
Well at least the article has a photo of Rick Lamb in a suit and tie, so it's not all bad... :-)
Hi Wilfried, On 01.03.2014 13:38, Wilfried Woeber wrote:
...which leaves me with the question why such a person was invited:
<quote> Gaining access to their inner sanctum isn't easy, but last month I was invited along to watch the ceremony and meet some of the keyholders... </quote>
instead of someone who knows at least something about the topic covered. But in the end, business as usual with media people :-(
given it's been a Guardian journalist, I'd assume some relations and side-effects to and from a scoop this paper has recently been key in. Cheers, -C.
On 1 Mar 2014, at 7:38, Wilfried Woeber <Woeber@CC.UniVie.ac.at> wrote:
Brett Carr wrote:
I didn't think it was that bad an article really especially if you try to view it from the point if view of somebody who knows nothing about Internet
...which leaves me with the question why such a person was invited:
<quote> Gaining access to their inner sanctum isn't easy, but last month I was invited along to watch the ceremony and meet some of the keyholders... </quote>
Gaining unauthorised access and doing so in a way that is not noticed isn’t easy. Getting authorised access is as easy as asking for it. The only practical limitations in the number of visitors are the size of the room, and the effect of interruptions on a scripted ceremony. There have been lots of non-participatory visitors in key ceremonies more or less since they started happening. The presence of observers strengthens the system; the whole reason for the pomp and circumstance is to encourage people to trust in the process and its execution. Joe
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On 1 Mar 2014, at 7:38, Wilfried Woeber <Woeber@CC.UniVie.ac.at> wrote:
Brett Carr wrote: ...which leaves me with the question why such a person was invited:
<quote> Gaining access to their inner sanctum isn't easy, but last month I was invited along to watch the ceremony and meet some of the keyholders... </quote>
Gaining unauthorised access and doing so in a way that is not noticed isn’t easy.
Getting authorised access is as easy as asking for it. The only practical limitations in the number of visitors are the size of the room, and the effect of interruptions on a scripted ceremony.
There have been lots of non-participatory visitors in key ceremonies more or less since they started happening. The presence of observers strengthens the system; the whole reason for the pomp and circumstance is to encourage people to trust in the process and its execution.
That is correct. Personally I welcome observers from outside the group of TCR's and ICANN staff. And an observer never gain access to tier 5, which is the cage where the safes are, only authorized people which has a role to play in the ceremony itself. Anne-Marie
Folks - compared to this piece of [insert your preferred 4-letter-word here]: The Internet Is Controlled By 14 People - Business Insider http://www.businessinsider.com/the-internet-is-controlled-by-14-people-2014-... the Guardian's article is truly a master piece. Ms. Bort would us all have done a favour if she would have restrained herself to just referencing to James Ball's article - without wrapping any further wording around it. Happy Sunday, all: -C.
As a brief follow-up on this: below's Business Insider article got picked by BILD, Germany's largest tabloid, and used as a blueprint for this: ICANN - Der wahre Herrscher über das Internet - Wirtschaft - Bild.de http://www.bild.de/geld/wirtschaft/internet/icann-der-wahre-herrscher-ueber-... [Insert your preferred Service Provider here] Translate only insufficiently covers the partly horrenduously wrong insinuations conveyed by the article. Best, -C. On 02.03.2014 13:32, Carsten Schiefner wrote:
Folks -
compared to this piece of [insert your preferred 4-letter-word here]:
The Internet Is Controlled By 14 People - Business Insider http://www.businessinsider.com/the-internet-is-controlled-by-14-people-2014-...
the Guardian's article is truly a master piece.
Ms. Bort would us all have done a favour if she would have restrained herself to just referencing to James Ball's article - without wrapping any further wording around it.
Happy Sunday, all:
-C.
On 1 Mar 2014, at 18:03, Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote:
Getting authorised access is as easy as asking for it. The only practical limitations in the number of visitors are the size of the room, and the effect of interruptions on a scripted ceremony.
Indeed. This is one of my many gripes about the piece, possibly the biggest one. It's just wrong for the piece to give the impression that this reporter got super-special privileges or there was something magical about observing the ceremony in person. That annoys me. It gives the false impression that this ceremony -- which apparently can turn off the interwebs y'know -- is secret. That helps to spead FUD which is unlikely to be a productive influence on the current discussions on reform of Internet governance and "control of the root". I suppose too the paranoid might well be upset that an untrustworthy reporter -- who could be a terrorist or computer hacker -- is allowed to get anywhere near such a critically important thing. Well, something the paranoid consider "the critically important master switch for the Interwebs". Your tinfoil hats might vary.
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Wilfried Woeber