DNS4EU community comment draft proposal
Good morning, Some of you may have already seen this in the cooperation wg mailing list but then again, some may not, so here it goes. We also encourage anyone with opinions on the matter to express them and/or contribute to the statement Regards Joao Damas For the dns-wg chairs ================================================================================= From: Desiree Miloshevic <dmiloshevic@donuts.email> To: cooperation-wg@ripe.net Dear members, dear all Further to the RIPE NCC’s summary of the DNS4EU Open House discussion posted bellow, and further to your witnessing of our our earlier 'transparent wordsmithing consultation' with other RIPE - WG Chairs I’d like to propose the following high level statement draft for your consideration. Julf and myself, as Co-Chairs are in agreement with this draft statement and Achilleas had excused himself due to his role at the EC. We’d like to know if there is some support from members for having a RIPE community response on this proposal? We would really appreciate your feedback or any comments you’d wish to make. Lastly we'd appreciate if the DNS WG Co-chairs would consider sharing this draft with their members too, since most of the DNS4EU discussion is taking place on that list. Many thanks for your consideration and the feedback, Desiree -- Coop WG Co-Chair Proposed DNS4EU RIPE community statement RIPE community believes that governance of the DNS resolution chain, which is such an important element of everybody's Internet connectivity, should involve all stakeholders and can not solely rely on legislation and regulatory oversight. RIPE Community hopes that any winning bidder will adhere to what we see as a fundamental property of the Internet, with a diverse and competitive landscape, anchored on the principles of multistakeholder Internet governance. RIPE Community believes that the responsibility of well-functioning Internet access including the DNS resolution is with the access providers. We believe it should stay that way. We understand that to be able to minimise some risks when the end user selects a random DNS resolver, a possible and feasible solution is to have the access provider run their local DNS resolvers and/or an additional DNS resolver as a back-up. We hope that the EU could allocate DNS4EU funds to the local Internet community and encourage Internet access providers to run their local DNS resolvers. Additionally, the funds can be also used towards the development of open source software for better and affordable DNS resolution services.
On 04. 02. 22 10:54, Joao Luis Silva Damas wrote:
3. RIPE Community believes that the responsibility of well-functioning Internet access including the DNS resolution is with the access providers. We believe it should stay that way.
4. We understand that to be able to minimise some risks when the end user selects a random DNS resolver, a possible and feasible solution is to have the access provider run their local DNS resolvers and/or an additional DNS resolver as a back-up.
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We hope that the EU could allocate DNS4EU funds to the local Internet community and encourage Internet access providers to run their local DNS resolvers. Additionally, the funds can be also used towards the development of open source software for better and affordable DNS resolution services.
Generally, I agree that DNS resolution should be part of "access service", but at the same time I'm curious how people imagine that adding funding to the telco sector will help with DNS reliability. Picking randomly one of the big telcos, let's see what it has to say: https://www.telekom.com/en/investor-relations/publications/financial-results see slide no. 9. It does not suggest that access to funding might be a problem. If there is an issue with funding DNS then it is an allocation issue withing the company, not lack of funding, so it's hard to see how add more money on that pile would be of any help. Again, I'm not picking here at DT. Other big telcos report similarly grandiose financials. -- Petr Špaček speaking only for myself
On 04/02/2022 11.30, Petr Špaček wrote:
it's hard to see how add more money on that pile would be of any help
Well, of course the scale is off charts compared to the grant. If you look at the 14M euro and divide it by the number of ISP subscribers in the EU, it will be like a few cents. And it's a one-off sum. Compare that to the monthly amount they pay for internet connection. With these millions someone might be able to build a backup in case ISP DNS is broken (for not-too-many people at once). But it sounded like "they" imagine it capable of *constantly* servicing a significant fraction of EU subscribers (like Google does, for example), without any hint about how the operation costs could be financed. Or yes, as (5) suggests, in DNS SW a similar sum can make a really big difference, but I can't be impartial there :-) --Vladimir | knot-resolver.cz
On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 10:54:31AM +0100, Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao@bondis.org> wrote a message of 232 lines which said:
RIPE Community believes that the responsibility of well-functioning Internet access including the DNS resolution is with the access providers. We believe it should stay that way.
I feel I'm disagreeing here. But it depends on whether the statement says that "Internet Access Providers SHOULD provide a DNS resolver" or "End users MUST use the IAP's DNS resolver". (I would agree on the first interpretation, not the second: it's not our business to claim that third-party resolvers are good or bad, the Internet is permissionless, people MAY use 3rd-party resolvers.)
We hope that the EU could allocate DNS4EU funds to the local Internet community and encourage Internet access providers to run their local DNS resolvers.
Not just IAP, everyone. Against the big GAFA resolvers, we do not need a big European resolver but many of resolvers.
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Joao Luis Silva Damas -
Petr Špaček -
Stephane Bortzmeyer -
Vladimír Čunát