[Apologies for duplicate emails.] Dear Colleagues, At the RIPE 62 Meeting we were asked to consider the attributes in DOMAIN objects. With the removal of any hierarchy in reverse delegations and the removal of forward domain data there is no longer any use case for the "mnt-lower:" attribute. Other attributes that are considered to be used only for forward domains are: - "refer:" - "sub-dom:" - "dom-net:" The statistics listed below show how many of the above attributes have been added to reverse delegations and ENUMs. The RIPE NCC would like to ask the community if anyone sees any justification for the use of these attributes in reverse delegations or ENUMs. If there is no justification, all four of these attributes can be removed from all DOMAIN objects when the last two TLD operators move their data out of the RIPE Database. This is anticipated to occur by the end of 2011. To keep any discussion focussed please send any comments or feedback to the DNS Working Group Mailing list. Regards Denis Walker Business Analyst RIPE NCC Database Group Statistics ---------- Number of each attribute used in reverse delegations or ENUMs and the number of unique maintainers who manage these objects. "refer:" = 6 unique maintainers = 1 "sub-dom:" = 271 unique maintainers = 23 "dom-net:" = 2219 unique maintainers = 140 "mnt-lower:" = 46485 unique maintainers = 4208
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 03:47:56PM +0200, Denis Walker wrote:
With the removal of any hierarchy in reverse delegations and the removal of forward domain data there is no longer any use case for the "mnt-lower:" attribute.
Other attributes that are considered to be used only for forward domains are: - "refer:" - "sub-dom:" - "dom-net:"
thanks for getting the ball rolling, Denis.
Number of each attribute used in reverse delegations or ENUMs and the number of unique maintainers who manage these objects.
"refer:" = 6 unique maintainers = 1
all these objects share the same target that i currently cannot connect to (port 43 or otherwise). Also I do not believe this makes much sense for the reverse space. It could be intersting for ENUM, though, but then for similar reasons as in the forward case (ACL maintenance and the likes) it is probably practically useless. (maybe repost the first message to the ENUM list ...)
"sub-dom:" = 271 unique maintainers = 23 "dom-net:" = 2219 unique maintainers = 140
dom-net seems to list the exact address space that corresponds to the IN-ADDR.ARPA subdomain in question, so that appears rather redundant. sub-dom is almost always used in a way inconsistent with the syntax description (which requires non-FQDNs) and most uses seem to be enumerations of sibling domains rather than subdomains. For ENUM, the choice of available subdomains is even more limited, so i doubt it's useful there, either.
"mnt-lower:" = 46485 unique maintainers = 4208
With the lack of ability to register subdomains in the reverse tree this might be obsolete. The relative popularity might suggest kind of an awareness campaign, though. For ENUM, I'm not sure whether this is still necesary as a protective measure. In any case, centrally changing the Tier1 objects will take some extra effort. -Peter (no hats)
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