In addition to said by Stephane Google made the technical solution that works for people and attracts them. Till now DNS4EU looks like an administrative initiative without a clearly defined perspective. If someone would make a technical solution in the EU and would offer it, and the solution would be solid and resilient there will not be a necessity in any initiatives.
On 17 Dec 2021, at 11:21, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 01:43:12AM +0000, Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote a message of 67 lines which said:
The problem for everyone else is the incursion of a US private entity into the heart of the Internet’s name resolution infrastructure.
Over the past 16 months the number of EU users who pass queries to Google’s Public DNS has risen from a little over 15% to touching 30%
If you are working in the EC and you see yet another piece of the Internet’s digital communications infrastructure being aggregated and centralized by a gigantic US entity, then wouldn’t you be a little bit disconcerted?
I think we all understand the starting point, and the concern of the EC. The problem is that they apparently don't provide a detailed problem analysis. Observing that the market share of US public resolvers increases is one thing, understanding why is another thing, and which is very important to solve the problem. Was there are survey about the reasons for this switch to these resolvers?
For instance, an important reason (may be the main one) why users use US public resolvers is because they don't implement censorship (SciHub, football events, music and film sharing). The DNS4EU project is silent about whether or not they will have censorship (a problematic silence!) but I note that they claim DNS4EU is a lying resolver. Even if lies are initially limited to malware and C&C, I have no doubt that the IP people (IP not being the Internet Protocol) will, as soon as they discover DNS4EU, ask for censorship and they are a very powerful lobby. If DNS4EU yields to their requirments, then the project is doomed.
So I think this is not really about the quality of the alternatives available for European users (and ISPs) in the DNS resolution market.
I don't think that many people switched to Google or Cloudflare because of DNSSEC validation (unfortunately) but may be they switched because of technical malfunctions. Each time there is a big breakage of the resolver of an IAP, everybody on the social networks advise "use 8.8.8.8" and people don't come back after that. So, even if DNSSEC doesn't matter, robustness does.
to try to stimulate local initiatives to improve the capability of DNS resolution infrastructure in the region.
Another challenge for DNS4EU will be to provide a quality service: managing a big public DNS resolver is not an easy task and I don't think that there are many european companies which I would trust for that. (At least among the companies that typically win the public calls for tender.)
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