January 1993 - dns-wg - mailman.ripe.net

Re: RIPE 14 - WG meetings
by k13＠nikhef.nl 21 Jan '93

21 Jan '93

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Re: RIPE 14 - WG meetings
by Erik-Jan.Bos＠SURFnet.nl 21 Jan '93

21 Jan '93

Francis, > Draft agenda for the meeting of the DNS WG at RIPE-14 in Prague : > > Old open items : > - root servers in Europe > - global DNS server coordination in Europe > - cookbook, advices, horror stories, ... > - DNS software (with known bugs) and tools > > Special items for RIPE-14 : > - BIND 4.9 (a beta version is available) > - (again) names for European organizations (European Parliament) > - DNS for IPv7 (TUBA/SIP/PIP) > > Actions (from RIPE-13) : > - cookbook on DNS : the "DNS and BIND" O'Reilly book is not yet available > in Europe (but I am trying to get one for the meeting) then I propose to > extend this action. I can take mine, if you want. > Needed for this meeting : > - a report about BIND 4.9 > - input for DNS support for IPv7 __ Erik-Jan.

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Re: RIPE 14 - WG meetings
by Francis Dupont 21 Jan '93

21 Jan '93

Draft agenda for the meeting of the DNS WG at RIPE-14 in Prague : Old open items : - root servers in Europe - global DNS server coordination in Europe - cookbook, advices, horror stories, ... - DNS software (with known bugs) and tools Special items for RIPE-14 : - BIND 4.9 (a beta version is available) - (again) names for European organizations (European Parliament) - DNS for IPv7 (TUBA/SIP/PIP) Actions (from RIPE-13) : - cookbook on DNS : the "DNS and BIND" O'Reilly book is not yet available in Europe (but I am trying to get one for the meeting) then I propose to extend this action. Needed for this meeting : - a report about BIND 4.9 - input for DNS support for IPv7 Regards Francis.Dupont(a)inria.fr

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Re: domain name for european parliament
by Dave Morton 18 Jan '93

18 Jan '93

>I have been passed on the following message and would like to comment >on it: > >> Yes - we told them it might not be a good idea in the >> long term but what can you do.... >> >> Not much. It's a bit surprising though that the NIC did >> accept this registration from people outside DG. > >We have been funded by the CEC/BRA to set up an support infrastructure >to help researchers in Europe exchange information and to supply >support for issues like storage, naming, etc. The infrastructure is based >on a large number of fileservers throughout Europe using AFS as main >technology. Although in the startup phase aiming to support the nodes >covered by the three first Networks Of Excellence: ELSNET, CaberNet and >Compulog, the infrastructure is supposed to be the blueprint for an >infrastructure also covering the new NOE's formed last year. > >In the framework of naming we wanted to enable resolution through >the DNS. As there was no top domain available that would cover a >general CEC organization, under which the infrastructure could be placed, >we requested (with full knowledge and appreciation of DG) a domain name >for a top domain ec.org. This domain was to be managed by the Infrastructure >Task Force of the proposed infrastructure for a startup-period, after >which the management of the top domain would be handed over to an >institution selected by DG. The subdomains dedicated to the research >infrastructure would still be managed by our own people. > >(Instead of calling it "funny", Dave, you could have explained all this >as you are aware of most of the details of the infrastructure provision, >including the naming part) Werner, yes - this is true I could have mentioned all the above at the risk of flooding the whole list. However you may have missed the original e-mail requesting guidance on the provision of a domain name for the Europen Parliment. What I mean by "funny" is (and I mentioned it to the NOEs when this suggestion of ec.org was made) that we would have multiple organisations connected in one way or another to the commission or the EC all seeking to register domain names in an uncoordinated way. At the time I suggested consulting the RIPE people for guidance but I think this didn't happen. As other more experienced DNSs have already mentioned there are many good reasons to think twice before registering any old name just because it might sound reasonable. And yes - I'm still not convinced registration under .org was a good choice. Perhaps I should have been more careful in my choice of words - it's not funny - it's a pity that it was not thought about a little more beforehand. >> And as >> far as the nameservers are concerned: > >..... > >> So not to be taken serious. > >I do not think that is a remark to be made without any further >consultation of the people involved. > >At the time of registration of the ec.org name, the machines to run the >servers were not yet delivered. The two names were supplied to the NIC >as being "temporary", to be replaced as soon as the initial part of the >research infrastructure was in place. The first two servers (INESC and >Univ. of Twente) are running now, while this week the servers at the >Univ. of Newcastle and at LAAS will be added. Our first concern is to >have the AFS servers properly running, after that the NIC will be informed >about which machines will provide the DNS service. It might also be a good idea to inform the RIPE NCC so that people in Europe also know what's going on. Dave

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Re: domain name for european parliament
by Werner Vogels 18 Jan '93

18 Jan '93

I have been passed on the following message and would like to comment on it: > Subject: Re: domain name for european parliament > > Cc: dns-wg(a)ripe.net, Pierre.Verbaeten(a)cs.kuleuven.ac.be > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 12:29:54 +0100 > From: Piet Beertema <Piet.Beertema(a)cwi.nl> > > If you think thats funny then check this one out: > > whois -h nic.ddn.mil "ec.org" > Commission of the European Communities (EC1-DOM) > Directorate-general Telecommunications, Information > Industry and Innovation. Rue de la loi, 200 > B-1049 Brussel, Belgium > > Domain Name: EC.ORG > > Administrative Contact: > Mullender, Sape (SM3383) Mullender(a)cs.utwente.nl > +31 53 89 3709 > Technical Contact, Zone Contact: > Vogels, Werner (WV33) werner(a)inesc.pt > +351 1 3100316 > > Record last updated on 20-Feb-92. > > Domain servers in listed order: > > FREYA.INESC.PT 146.193.4.36 > HELIOS.CS.UTWENTE.NL 130.89.15.6 > > > Yes - we told them it might not be a good idea in the > long term but what can you do.... > > Not much. It's a bit surprising though that the NIC did > accept this registration from people outside DG. We have been funded by the CEC/BRA to set up an support infrastructure to help researchers in Europe exchange information and to supply support for issues like storage, naming, etc. The infrastructure is based on a large number of fileservers throughout Europe using AFS as main technology. Although in the startup phase aiming to support the nodes covered by the three first Networks Of Excellence: ELSNET, CaberNet and Compulog, the infrastructure is supposed to be the blueprint for an infrastructure also covering the new NOE's formed last year. In the framework of naming we wanted to enable resolution through the DNS. As there was no top domain available that would cover a general CEC organization, under which the infrastructure could be placed, we requested (with full knowledge and appreciation of DG) a domain name for a top domain ec.org. This domain was to be managed by the Infrastructure Task Force of the proposed infrastructure for a startup-period, after which the management of the top domain would be handed over to an institution selected by DG. The subdomains dedicated to the research infrastructure would still be managed by our own people. (Instead of calling it "funny", Dave, you could have explained all this as you are aware of most of the details of the infrastructure provision, including the naming part) > And as > far as the nameservers are concerned: ..... > So not to be taken serious. I do not think that is a remark to be made without any further consultation of the people involved. At the time of registration of the ec.org name, the machines to run the servers were not yet delivered. The two names were supplied to the NIC as being "temporary", to be replaced as soon as the initial part of the research infrastructure was in place. The first two servers (INESC and Univ. of Twente) are running now, while this week the servers at the Univ. of Newcastle and at LAAS will be added. Our first concern is to have the AFS servers properly running, after that the NIC will be informed about which machines will provide the DNS service. If there are any other areas related to the CEC that want to make use of the ec.org name they are happily invited to cooperate in managing a possible subdomain of ec.org. In our planning we aim to provide DNS service starting half of February. Hope this clears up the confusion. Werner Vogels Distributed Systems and Industrial Automation Group INESC - Instituto de Engenharia de Sistemas e Computadores Rua Alves Redol, 9-6o - 1000 Lisboa - Portugal Tel: +351 1 3100316, Fax: +351 1 525843, e-mail: werner(a)inesc.pt / C=pt;A= ;P=inesc;S=werner

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Re: domain name for european parliament
by Dave Morton 18 Jan '93

18 Jan '93

> I would like some advice on the most appropriate > top level domain. > I see 3 alternatives: > 1. Creation of a new top level domain. They already proposed > eur > Considering the status of the European Community, such a > request looks reasonable to me. >Yet another non-standard (non-ISO3166) top level domain? >Yech! Who is going to register it? Who is going to manage >it? Who can register it? It's opening a can of worms... If you think thats funny then check this one out: whois -h nic.ddn.mil "ec.org" Commission of the European Communities (EC1-DOM) Directorate-general Telecommunications, Information Industry and Innovation. Rue de la loi, 200 B-1049 Brussel, Belgium Domain Name: EC.ORG Administrative Contact: Mullender, Sape (SM3383) Mullender(a)cs.utwente.nl +31 53 89 3709 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Vogels, Werner (WV33) werner(a)inesc.pt +351 1 3100316 Record last updated on 20-Feb-92. Domain servers in listed order: FREYA.INESC.PT 146.193.4.36 HELIOS.CS.UTWENTE.NL 130.89.15.6 To see this host record with registered users, repeat the command with a star ('*') before the name; or, use '%' to show JUST the registered users. Yes - we told them it might not be a good idea in the long term but what can you do.... Dave

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secondary server needed
by bonito＠nis.garr.it 18 Jan '93

18 Jan '93

Hallo folks, I need to replace one of the secondary servers for reverse 131.114 PISA-NET Can you suggest me any good volunteer in Europe? Thanks in advance ---------- ---------- Antonio_Blasco Bonito E-Mail: bonito(a)nis.garr.it GARR - Network Information Service c=it;a=garr;p=garr;o=nis;s=bonito c/o CNUCE - Istituto del CNR Tel: +39 (50) 593246 Via S. Maria, 36 Telex: 500371 CNUCE I 56126 PISA Italy Fax: +39 (50) 589354 ---------- ----------

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domain name for european parliament
by Pierre.Verbaeten＠cs.kuleuven.ac.be 15 Jan '93

15 Jan '93

Hello, I received a request for a domain name from the European Parliament. They propose the name ep which is acceptable; I would like some advice on the most appropriate top level domain. I see 3 alternatives: 1. Creation of a new top level domain. They already proposed eur Considering the status of the European Community, such a request looks reasonable to me. Is the also acceptable? Better names? 2. Use an existing top level domain such as int (and join "nato" there). 3. Register ep under be (because the current connection is realized in Belgium). From a political point of view this is not a good solution. I would probably also imply that they will register also ep.fr ep.lu I suggest to discuss this in Praag. Regards, Pierre

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