Denis, At 2017-06-20 00:20:22 +0000 denis walker <ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry for making this personal, but I grew up in a small working class town where, had my sexuality been known at that time, people would have kicked the s**t out of me. I had an older gay cousin and even some people within the family made fun of him. But that was nothing compared to what can happen to people in many parts of the RIPE region if it is known they have any gender diversity issues. My cousin was laughed at by some members of the family. In some places in 2017, members of a family will murder relatives to protect the 'honour' of their family.
I feel a lot of sympathy for anyone living in an oppressive situation. I don't deny that people are tortured, killed, and their families harmed for many unjust reasons - including their gender identity.
There seems to be some strange disjoint here between 'collecting data' and what this data actually means. As a software developer and analyst I also love to play around with data and find out interesting things. Especially when the results lead on to some significant change or improvement. I did so much of that with the contents of the RIPE Database for so many years. But we are not collecting details of age and colour preferences for shoes. This is sensitive, personal data. If it is leaked or hacked it can cost lives. I am not trying to be melodramatic here. This is the reality of the age we are currently living in.
I don't think there is an issue. I disagree with your repeated assertion that it is especially sensitive and can cost lives. When I buy an airline ticket I have to say "Dhr." ("sir") or "Mevr." ("madam"). When I check into a hotel I have to hand over my passport, which has my sex on it. Many driver's licenses have sex on them. Swedish national identity number is different depending on whether you are a man or a female. I'm sure others on the list can think of dozens of more examples where your gender or sex are non-private. Further, as has been repeatedly pointed out, this is opt-in. Anyone who feels concerned should not opt-in. I know you feel like people will feel pressured to participate and put false information in, but I cannot imagine any scenario where we could make people feel 100% safe with an Internet-based registration system. So the only options we are left with are to not gather information because maybe someone might feel pressured to lie, or to go ahead with a reasonable balance of privacy & information gathering.
I don't know why we are even having to have this conversation. There are reputable companies that will operate surveys and the data they collect is disconnected from any identifiable data. Use one of them. You simply cannot take short cuts with such sensitive data.
We are having this conversation because there are differing opinions. I think that I understand your concerns, I just do not agree that they are valid. Nevertheless, I am interested to hear of what your suggestions are for such reputable companies, or at least what selection criteria you would recommend for choosing one. Cheers, -- Shane